Affliction 3 “Fedor vs Barnett” Fight Poster

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154 Comments

  1. jack

    May 29, 2009 at 1:15 am

    this should be a good one i hope anyway. since this will probably be afflictions last card then the ufc needs to sign both of these 2 fighters as well as Belfort before strikforce snaps em up.

  2. Dave

    May 29, 2009 at 1:31 am

    They have been saying that "this will probably be Affliction's last card" before all three events. Why?

  3. roy

    May 29, 2009 at 1:39 am

    from the start they said they would do 3 shows and see what happens after that, even though they lost money they kept there word and gave us 3 great shows and unfortunatly that will probally be it, but be thankfull for the 3 they gave us.

  4. tom

    May 29, 2009 at 6:09 am

    GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY THIS IS THE WORST CARD THEY HAVE EVER HAD..I think the Main Event is sucks..

    Josh B is a StOIRD USE and thays why he was fighting in Japan because its cool over hahaha

    Fador does have a badass Record but i think he should be fighting in the UFC..

  5. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 7:15 am

    I totally disagree with you tom most hardcore fans have been waiting for Fedor Vs Barnett for year and years.

    Both of them are ranked higher than Mir, Randy, Nog, And brock.

    After Fedor Beats Barnett it will be his 6th Ufc champion he has beaten plus mirko was the grand prix tourny winner in pride. thats is nuts. People can hate on fedor all they want but nobody can deny that great feat.

  6. Tim

    May 29, 2009 at 7:31 am

    Word to the wise…Those Fighters that he beat are from the UFC and got there name from the UFC…While Fedor may have beaten them with all due respect it came out of the octogon which CroCrop will tell is a much different fighting enviroment than a freaking ring…Every person from Pride that came over to the UFC said the Octogon took some time to get used to…Now with all things considered Fedor is one the best but ask yourself why wont he step foot in the UFC…maybe its because he is afraid of the OCTOGON ENVIROMENT and being in a new unestalblished place where he knows is uncomfortable for him…Come on Fedor has never fought in the Octogon from what i understand and frankly i think that is the reason why he wont come to the UFC on top of money reasons is because of the Octogon and he is very very comfortable where he is at right now fighting in boxing rings…come you can take the best Cat out his enviroment and very few will adapt to their surroundings instantaneously….you see there are things in the Ring that you cant do in the Octogon..the space is much smaller and your very limited to how you can fight a fight your game plan has to change completely to an extent.

    After Fedor beat another UFC vet in his enviroment…He should come to UFC and fight Octogon style and prove that he can beat the best of the best in any enviroment.

    While many will say he doesnt need to prove anything..well sure but if you want to be considered the best you have to face the best at every level and in every aspect of the sport from backyards to rings to cages to the Octogon.

    Now honestly i dont know if Fedor has ever fought in an octogon style cage but he hasnt then i stay true to my comments above and if he has well then he should still come to the UFC and fight to face better competition as i would love to see him face some of the current UFC champs and up and comers.

  7. roy

    May 29, 2009 at 7:43 am

    better comp? barnett is #2 on every ranking that i have seen.i would like him to go to the ufc but really whats there?

    lesnar-good fight

    randy-too old

    nog- done that in his prime

    carwin-one good win and i think gabe would beat him 7 out of 10

    kongo-joke he lost to gilbert

    cain-might be good still unproven

    gabe-good fight but would lose after the 2nd round

    herring-already done

    dos santos-have you heard of houston? he still has to prove himself

    outside of ufc there is still

    overeem

    werdum

    and a rematch with aa along with some other up and comers and old names.

    tom your comment is so weak i will just say arn't you a big sherk fan and you want to talk about steroids.

  8. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 7:45 am

    Fedors style would work better in the octagon imo. he hardly ever does head stomps or kicks to a downed opponent and having fedor on top of u elbowing u in the face when ur smashed up against the cage is a scary thought.

    It's well known that the UFC wont let fedor fight in the sambo championships if he signs an exclusive contract with the ufc. Sambo is way more important to him than the ufc. Sambo is what made him the legend and star that he is in russia. If he signed a contract that said he wouldnt fight in Sambo all of his russian fans would shit a brick. Surely you can understand that. Its like asking Mayweather to sign a contract to fight in the ufc saying he can never box. Sambo is his love and i dont blame him at all for not wanting to be baned from it. Dana white is the moron in this deal. he needs to realize what fedor is and Give him a contract that he deserves. Fedor is unbeaten and has the best record in mma. He should be paid whatever the hell he wants and he should be able to do sambo. I wanna see him in the ufc too but make no mistake. Fedor IS ans HAS been ranked the number 1 heavyweight in the world for a reason.

  9. Nichole Lesniak

    May 29, 2009 at 7:45 am

    Good point Tim – look how many Pride fighters came over and lost their first fight in the UFC.

  10. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Roy awesome post totally correct

  11. Nichole Lesniak

    May 29, 2009 at 7:49 am

    dane – First and foremost Dana is a businessman. If you are paying someone to work for you, you don't want them getting hurt when they're working their "side job". If Fedor got hurt doing Sambo, that could very possibly cost Dana in the long run. He's not a moron at all, he wants to protect his investment.

  12. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 7:53 am

    Look at the pride fighters that didnt do so great when they came over

    Shogun- was injured, and usually won his fights by head stomps and kicks to a downed opponent

    Wand- Is past his prime, and usually won his fights by head stomps and kicks to a downed opponent

    Cro Cop- Is past his prime, and usually won his fights by Cutting off and cornering his opponent with kicks.

    The ones who did good

    Henderson- He is doing all right because he is a great grappler and clinch fighter

    Rampage- did great because he is a great boxer and awesome wrestler

    Nog- He won the interum heavy championship. Fedor has beatwen him badly 3 times.

    Fedor- Would be in this category because he is an awesome Grapler and isnt known for his kick boxing which favors the ring. He has awesome hands and that would be affected about the same as rampage. Justy look how Nog did fedor fights like nog but is way better in every category.

  13. roy

    May 29, 2009 at 8:05 am

    your so right dane, fedor real was the best gnp fighter ever and great subs now his hands are better too but he would be great in a cage and all the pride fighters not doing good is straight up bs.

  14. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 8:05 am

    nichole fedor once killed a bear with nothing but his hands. he doesnt get injured he is terminator. He's the russian answer to Captain America. And if someone beat him in sambo the ufc could sign that person and make him a star aswell. I dont think the ufc is worrying about him getting injured their fighters are getting injured all the time. Dana wonts entire control and his ego is too big to make an exception. If he lets fedor get lee way on his contract he is afraidf everyone will want the same.

  15. roy

    May 29, 2009 at 8:08 am

    wandy- was already losing in pride before coming over

    shogun-no acl and 2 acl recon. now is looking good and fighting for the title

    nog-past his prime did ok at first and still will win a few more fights

    rampage-was champ and lost one debatable fight

    anderson-champ

    cro-cop- the only one that did not do good

    machida(not pride but japan and ring)-champ

    ps these guys lost fights in pride did you expect them to win every fight in the ufc?

  16. Nichole Lesniak

    May 29, 2009 at 8:40 am

    dane – Fedor is not a god, he is human. And you don't see UFC fighters fighting in other organizations for a reason. It's a conflict of interest.

    Not to mention, I don't see Fedor clamoring to get into the UFC either.

  17. roy

    May 29, 2009 at 8:54 am

    your right he is human but he is equal to a jordon or gretsky in his sport just ahead of the rest, someday someone will catch up to him just not yet.

  18. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 11:47 am

    why should he clamor to get in the ufc? he is ranked the number 1 heavyweight on every poll, has beaten everyone who has come across him, is looked at as an icon in Russia for his Sambo, and is making bank everywhere he goes? He doesnt need the UFC.

  19. Nichole Lesniak

    May 29, 2009 at 11:48 am

    So then what do you care if Dana signs him?

  20. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    It would make all his haters shut up

  21. Tim

    May 29, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Again as much respect i have for Fedor and no matter how good of a record you have your will never ever be considered the best and prove to be the best unless you fight in the MAJORS of MMA the UFC where th Octogon lives wild and has changed so many careers and made careers.

    Its kinda like this if you can follow me….You play good and win titles in all levels of your sport except the cream of the crop and the hardest to win one in, you may have a hall of fame career elsewhere but you wont be considered the best of the best in all of your sport until you win a title in the cream of the crop.

    Example..Dan Marino great quarterback won titles in lower levels of football but never won a super bowl, that will always hurt him and his legacy for never winning won..Now i understand thats a team sport but same concept.

    Fedor by many will be considered the best ever…while others will be say he is the best outside the UFC…FACT be this…Fedor has never beaten those former champs in the octogon therefore you cant say he is the best…the octogon is a much different evnviroment then what he is used to…Fedor likes to back up and fight and when he is getting hit he backs up about 4 steps…problem in the octogon is you cant back up like that you have to back up just a bit otherwise your against the cage per say and you a have to circle and while your circling the other UFC fighters will catch you offguard cause you not used to that enviroment and no training can prepare you for the octogon only by trial and error…Bottom line you can say what you want Fedor is the best outside the UFC because he doesnt fight in the octogon but he fights in a ring…it would be a different story if he has fought most of his fights in a cage but he hasnt and for that you can not say he is the worlds best you can only speculate what could be…there is a major difference between a ring and the octogon besides the rule changes….big big difference and while i think fedor could adapt i honestly think he knows deep down he would start losing in the UFC/cage world and he doesnt want to damage his career not to mention his sambo stuff…Fedor wants millions per fight to fight in the UFC and a negotiable contract…problem is the UFC doesnt need Fedor…if anything Fedor needs the UFC…take that for what you want but remember no matter how good you are there is always someone better than you…end of story!!!

  22. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    with that NFL analogy Fedor would be Like a team that everytime a team wins the superbowl they then go face him and get beaten lol.

    the Sports analogy's dont really work for MMA imo because 1 like you said its not a team sport and 2 a loss in mma is a lot different than a loss in say the NBA. The Championship team in the NBA can lose a lot of games and still be champion.

    MMA is more like boxing in that you are the champ till someone beats you. And nobody's done that to fedor yet.

  23. Dave

    May 29, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Tim, you are trying way too hard to discredit Fedor. You are buying into the politics and excellent marketing that is the UFC. While I agree that the UFC has the most talent in the world, the bottom line is their Heavyweights suck and everyone knows it. They have the next best thing in the Light Heavyweight division but heavyweights will always be the biggest draw. Fedor is the most dominate fighter in MMA right now and they are missing out. It's not Fedor's fault and he is clearly not asking for too much when you see what he is getting paid at Affliction. With exception of a few hardcore UFC fanatics like yourself, most people would concede that Fedor doesn't need the UFC as much as the UFC needs him. Dana is a freaking classless moron and should not be in the position he is in. He is screwing it up for the rest of us becuase of his ego.

  24. shaka zulu

    May 29, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    I'm gonna be honest in the fact that I don't know a whole lot about fedor. Here's what I do know; He's only technically lost once, for some ungodly reason dana white hates the guy, he's been avoiding the ufc like the plague, he's fought a lot of ex-ufc champs. Here's what I understand; he's one of the most controversial fighters in mma (next to Lesnar), and from the looks of it the ufc fighters he's fought were all kinda burn-outs. Mark Coleman, Tim Sylvia, AA, Cro-Cop, and then he beat Nog 3 times before he even joined the ufc and beat heath herring. None of those guys have been doin too great as of late. I'm gonna say right now that it's not just ufc's heavyweight division that's slow, I'm gonna say there just isn't a whole lot of incentive to fight heavyweight in mma right now. Like other's pointed out earlier, the heavyweights are all looking very underwhelming right now. Even Josh Barnett doesn't excite me. Who's he beaten? Nogueira? Seems like everyone's doin that these days. Randy Couture? I'm gonna say this. Couture shouldn't fight heavyweights….There I said it. He does SO much better at 205 it isn't even funny. Back on topic, Barnett lost to Cro-Cop 3 damned times. So I'm going to go as far as to say the entirety of heavyweights are pretty boring to me save these 3 names: Mir(he's looking more and more solid nowadays, Brock 2 will be the real test), Lesnar(even haters give this guy props), and Fedor. That said, it seems like a mutual dislike between fedor and white, so I honestly doubt that we will ever see that dream come true. I'm not on one side or the other of the fedor wars, I think I'm pretty dead center and if anyone can correct me about fedors wins over ufc burnouts and has-beens please be my guest. I just haven't heard of him fighting someone coming out of the ufc on a win or multiple wins.

  25. dane drebin

    May 29, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    when fedor beat Cro Cop, Randleman, And Nog 3 times they were all in their prime. He owned Arona who was around top 5 in 205 at the time. He owned Arlovski when he was ranked #2 heavyweight in the world. Sylvia was owned about a year after he lost the championship. He owned matt lindland who was a top 5 middleweight at the time. He owned all 350 pounds of Hong Man Choi who is clumsy but has a good kickboxing record. I think the only champion who was burnt out when he beat him was Mark coleman but mark coleman has been old for like 40 years. lol

  26. whodini

    May 29, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    i agree with you 100 percent Shaka Zulu … well put my man

  27. steve

    May 29, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Shaka Zulu thats fine that you think that. A lot of people think that but like you said you dont know that much about fedor.Like Dane Drebin said. He is the most dominant HW fighter of all times. There is no question about it. He completly owned the Pride HW division which was the cream of the crop back then. I really cant give Lesnar all too many props besides the fact that he is a freak and im not gonna call him a freak of nature either. B/c we all know he roided up to get that big. Frank Mir is looking better and better but I saw Frank Mir destroy him badly. Im still not sold on him being able to dominate the HW division. And even if he beats Lesnar its not gonna help me think he is the top guy besides fedor. Do I think he could beat Carwin? Do I think Carwin is still unproven? Is Cain Velasquez gonna be able to step up and be a top contender like he is suppose to? The HW division is a mess and all the great fighters have lost and had their ups and downs besides 1 guy who has fought 31 TIMES. Thats a lot of fights and has NEVER really been beat. Fedor seems to be the only sure thing about the HW division and Fedor isnt joining the UFC b/c he

    1. Makes more money outside of the ufc

    2. doesnt want to be owned by the org. he works for.

    3. Wants to compete in sambo championships in Russia which the ufc wont allow him to compete in if they sign with him.

    I am just like you guys in the fact that I wouldnt mind seeing fedor fight in the ufc. I would love it. But it seems like I want him to join to see him fight more and most of you guys just dont know what he can do and you want to see if he is really as good as he is hyped up. Thats the difference. I know he is a beast where as most fans dont.

  28. steve

    May 29, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Wow I saw Vera destory Mir badly. Not Mir destroy Mir lol.

  29. Ryan S

    May 30, 2009 at 12:40 am

    I like how Tim says "no training can prepare you for the octogon only by trial and error"…That's not true. All he has to do is take his training inside of an octogon and continue to train. To think that he doesn't have the tactical thought process to make his style work in a confined octogon to his advantage is just stupid. As a matter of fact, I don't think it would take him much time at all to figure out many different scenarios along the fence.

  30. Ryan S

    May 30, 2009 at 12:42 am

    You're speaking like the ancient MMA philosopher Assbeatacles.

  31. Nichole Lesniak

    May 30, 2009 at 1:30 am

    I'm a huge Fedor fan, but I'm so tired of people taunting him like he's the second coming of Christ.

  32. Dave

    May 30, 2009 at 3:21 am

    Fedor would not do well in the Octogon. He doesn't do well when you can cut down the ring and back him into a corner.

    Sincerely,

    Andre Arlovski

  33. Cobra Clutch

    May 30, 2009 at 4:04 am

    I think this will be Fedor's toughest fight, yet, and a chance to go the distance. Barnett is top-notch. I think Fedor will still win in the end, but if Arlovski can look good for 3 minutes against Fedor, then someone with Barnett's skills should be able to take Fedor deeper into the fight than anyone's been able to in years. Fedor hasn't come close to sniffing a Round 3 since 05, but I think Barnett can do it. Not win. But take him deep and put up a good fight.

  34. dane drebin

    May 30, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    lol Nichole ur sick of people taunting fedor? ya im sick of people making fun of him too

  35. Cobra Clutch

    May 30, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Dane, you're a douche. You're really not making any friends this week. You know what Nichole meant.

  36. dane drebin

    May 30, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    i was just messing with her because shes a writter loosin up and stop being so butt hurt over me callin u out on a stupid statement on a different post.

  37. Nichole Lesniak

    May 30, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    I guess you're not sick of me then, because I wasn't making fun of him either. The truth just hurts.

  38. Dave

    May 31, 2009 at 3:15 am

    Steve,

    I agree with most everything you said in post number 27 exept for when you said "I know he is a beast where as most fans dont." Most fans do know he is a beast. That is made perfectkly clear when you look at all of the pound for pound rankings generated by all of the various media organizations and fans. You have to understand that the UFC is one of the best at marketing their organization in all of sports.

    The problem I have with them and Dana White, is that they do it by hurting the sport on occasion…and White not signing Fedor is a perfect example. White has put down every other company, promotion, and fighter who isn't part of the UFC n a regular basis.

    So don't worry about the so-called MMA fans who think that Anderon Silva is the pound for pound best or for those who think Fedor shouldn't be considered great until he fights in the UFC. They have been sucked into the UFC spell and don't have a clue about what goes on outside. How many times on this very website have we seen "fans" say that they haven't seen Fedor fight yet? Or that they don't know much about him? That would have been like someone in the late 80's and early 90's saying that they were huge boxing fans but don't know much about that Tyson guy.

    Fedor is the most dominate fighter in MMA and probably of all time. Anyone who can't aknowlege this fact is clearly not a fan of MMA but merely a fan of Spike TV and the UFC. Fortunately, most people who call themselves fans know this. The ones who don't, are just missing out on a great sport.

  39. Cobra Clutch

    May 31, 2009 at 3:58 am

    Dude, you can't hurt my feelings. you're just a douche. Plain and simple. I still think the same thing, and you're not going to change my thoughts by calling people stupid who don't agree with you. No point to argue with a child like you, who has a small brain, so I'll stop here. You prove all my points by continuously being a dick to people. It's a lonely life you must live, and I feel sorry for you. Maybe you'll grow up someday, I hope. It'll be better for you, but if you don't, it won't be any sweat of my brow.

  40. Cobra Clutch

    May 31, 2009 at 4:01 am

    Oh, yeah, and just so you know, Nichole isn't a "writter" she's a "writer." For someone who makes fun of other people's spelling errors you should read your own ignorant postings. hahaha.

  41. dane drebin

    May 31, 2009 at 6:02 am

    it was a joke chill out man i didnt call her any names or try to hurt her feelings i thought she'd think it was funny. Youre the one who gets beligerant over stupid as stuff.

    Youre not making any friends Dane

    Youre a lonely person Dane

    blah blah blah so annyoing. you have no idea who I am and i have no idea who you are. we dont agree on mma it doesnt mean i know anything about you. Looks like you are the one resluting to name calling to prove your points. I have cursed a few times and said ur thoughts on middleweight being better than 205 was stupid which it was and most everyoe agreed with me. But im just a douche bag what do i know hahahaha

  42. Cobra Clutch

    May 31, 2009 at 11:10 am

    I'm glad you finally realize what you are. hahaha. Thanks for admitting it. maybe you'll learn to read and write next. hahaha.

  43. Nichole Lesniak

    May 31, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Dave – what about the people who are actually educated in MMA, watch other organizations, and still don't put Fedor on a pedestal and are actually realistic about Dana White?

  44. dane drebin

    May 31, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    i dont really care wat u think about me Cobra. everyone else i get into arguements with on here might say something mean but also actually talk about MMA aswell. Im a douche bag because i dont think you know anything about mma and it shows when you say stupid shit like 205's one of the weakest divisions. All you talk about is how u feel about me and how mean i am its pretty wierd so until i see u write something about mma im not going to even ackowledge your childish posts.

  45. Cobra Clutch

    May 31, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Dude, stop crying. Seriously. You're starting to embarrass yourself even more. Just let it go, and you'll be OK.

  46. Mike

    May 31, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Fedor isn't clamoring to get into the UFC, so what, would you if you were getting paid more money than in the ufc and able to compete in a sport you love?!

    Facts;

    1) Fedor gets paid more in Affliction.

    2) Fedor has the best record in MMA.

    3) Fedor gets to fight in the sambo tournies with Affliction.

  47. Nichole Lesniak

    May 31, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Right, so who cares that Dana isn't signing him?

  48. roy

    June 1, 2009 at 3:25 am

    i don't really care, if he beats barnett i would rather see him fight overeem.

  49. Dave

    June 1, 2009 at 3:41 am

    Nichole,

    I've read your posts and have no idea where you're coming from. Is it "putting Fedor on a pedestal" by saying he is the most dominate fighter in MMA? And what is it to be "realistic" about Dana White? Can you give me an example of anyone else in a similar posistion in any other major sports who acts like an angry teenager the way he does? Exactly, he is clearly hurting the sport of late and this whole Fedor issue is a perfect example.

  50. Cobra Clutch

    June 1, 2009 at 4:11 am

    I agree with Dana on NOT signing Fedor for one super-fight. I think it only helps Fedor more than it helps the UFC. The UFC keeps growing and growing without Fedor. If Fedor wants in, then he has to make a serious long-term and exclusive commitment. Otherwise, it's just being a sponsored showcase for Fedor so he can go make money elsewhere. Why should Dana do that? He shouldn't.

  51. Dave

    June 1, 2009 at 5:08 am

    I don't think Fedor should sign for just one fight in the UFC either. But I do think it would help the UFC more than Fedor. The UFC's glaring weakness has been their heavywieghts. If they could bring in Fedor for a multifight deal, it would be huge for them. Right now, they are relying on their light heavyweights for most of their big cards. What would Fedor get out of this, more respect for his legacy? Who cares, like I said, most logical MMA fans aknowlege that he is the best already. Does he really need to beat Brock Lesnar or Frank Mir to be considered the best?

  52. Cobra Clutch

    June 1, 2009 at 5:18 am

    Dave, I think that's the impasse that everyone is at. Each party thinks it's better for the OTHER party and not for them. So, I think we'll probably never see it happen…at least not in Fedor's prime.

  53. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 5:23 am

    Technically speaking Fedor does not have the best record in MMA…a loss is a loss and i believe there are alot of fighters out there who have still have not lost a fight and are your know 5-0, 10-0 15-0, 16-0 the great Machida….

    Not to mention if your using his 32 fights as a base i know of plenty of fighters who have 32 plus wins and minimal loss Matt hughs etc…and someone with over 100 fights Jeremy Horn etc…and over 80 plus wins so to tell me he has the best record is purely only in insult to all the other fighters who do have overall a better record due to having have fought more times than Fedor probably ever will in his career. You can not base a fighter on just his record as that cant be debated by every mean…I am not a Fedor HATER….i base facts on facts and Fedor is one the best fighters ever but THE BEST fighter ever as some has called him is far from the truth….think what you want but true MMA lovers will realize you can not call a fighter the best or best ever until his career is over as i hate to say it but i can nominate many others for this award as well…but again you base him on mainly his record and that is in insult to all other great MMA fighters and hall of famers who made this sport what it is today and current and future stars.

    Bottom line Fedor is great but i truly believe he would perish in the Octogon…Arlovski was winning that fight until he made a dumb mistake and props to Fedor and recognizing that and dominating like he does. No questions asked.

    But iimage AA in the octogon doing what he wa doing against Fedor…now that would be intersting as Fedor couldnt back track 20 paces to the corner he would be stuck to throw down with a better boxer.

    Many have said it a great boxer and overall decent MMA fighter would dominate Fedor in the Octogon purely on the fact Fedor relies on his ability to circle and back track and pick his targets…all that changes in the octogon.

    I am not saying he couldnt win but i am saying it would not be that easy and it would be intersting to see him fight in the UFC and a change of scenery from the ring where he has dominated.

    My analogies were meant to be taken as logical mindsetting thoughts not realistic and some of you have taken those literally..NO SHIT MMA isnt a Team sport but use the analogy and it will work with whatever you do.

    If you fight in one area of the sport but never fight all the areas of your sport you can never be called the best or the greatest as you have yet to proven yourself. Thats a Fact up and until then its only speculation and as much as i consider Fedor one of the best he is merely speculation at this point as being the best ever.

    Remember Someone is always better than you.

  54. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 5:26 am

    I realized i contradicted myself, what i meant to say is while i consider Fedor one of the Best ever, you cant consider him the GREATEST or the freaking Savior of MMA.

  55. roy

    June 1, 2009 at 5:57 am

    its open for debate but he was voted the best ever in the history of mma already and if you ask any fighter its almost always fedor that they say is the best, and thats good enough for me.

  56. Dave

    June 1, 2009 at 6:01 am

    Tim,

    I just don't understand why you have to try so hard to discount Fedor's accomplishments. If you want to get technical with the records, Fedor's only blemish on his record came about ten years ago because of an elbow that cut him over the eye 6 seconds into the fight. The reason why it isn't considered by most to be legit is because elbows were illegal in that particular format. So essentially to most people he is undefeated. You can speculate all you want about how he would do in the Octogon but I think it is ridiculous to assume that he would "perish". Fedor was backed into the corner when he K.O.ed Arlovski. If he really felt like he needed to he would do what he does best and that is take down the guy and submit them. He is way too well rounded to make such outlandish assumptions with regards to the octogon. Besides, if you want me to, I will go ahead and make a list of UFC guys who have gone over to fight in a ring and gotten their asses handed to them. i.e. Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, etc..

  57. Dave

    June 1, 2009 at 6:06 am

    Cobra Clutch – I totally agree with that. I am not optimistic about Fedor foighting in the UFC while he is still in his prime.

  58. Cobra Clutch

    June 1, 2009 at 6:30 am

    Dave is right…Fedor's "loss" should have been a "no contest." I don't think anyone who knows that situation considers it a true loss. Regardless if Fedor is THE number one pound-for-pound or just in the Top 10, he's definitely one of the best, no doubt. He's not the second coming, but his accomplishments can't be denied. I think until someone beats him I'll put him as my #1 overall, right now.

  59. roy

    June 1, 2009 at 6:54 am

    good stuff dave i agree, your dead right about the striking too he was never really a standup fighter but he beat aa at his own game if people think he would lose to great strikers go look at the cro cop and semmy fights.

  60. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 7:10 am

    Dana White Says He Sees Fedor Coming To The UFC Someday

    Date Added: May 29, 2009

    Story By: Will Hengelbrok

    UFC President Dana White talks to Edgeboston.com about the chances of Fedor someday fighting in the UFC:

    “I would never cross-promote. Regarding Fedor, he either wants to come over and fight here or he doesn’t. If he came over and wanted to fight I’d do a deal with him in a minute. You know we’ve been chasing him since we bought Pride. In my opinion, I think it’s going to happen. He’d be crazy not to. I mean, why not? He’ll come over here and make a bunch of money and maybe even win the title and go down in history as the greatest heavyweight ever. The problem is it’s one thing for everyone to say it, I mean I can say, “Brock is the greatest heavyweight ever” but they have got to fight. It’s the only way to find out. We can argue about it all day but in the end you just have got to get out there and fight.”

  61. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Again you post records Who gives a shit as i have stated Matt Hughes has a better overall record then Fedor ever will same with Jeremy Horm and his 80 plus wins and over 100 fights…Come on stop with the Record shit sure Fedor is technically undefeated okay so he is 32-0 in the virtual world of yours but Jeremy Horm is 80-19-5 and could very well be considered one of the best ever as well…My point being stop with the records as until Fedor fights that many fights and wins all or most His reord is impressive but no where near the likes of greatest fighter in the world to ever live as when you have people like Horn, Hughes, Sobral etc…who have fought 50 plus times and have won over 80% of them, that is something to be called one of the best ever for.

    I see your point on Fedor being great i just dont think he is the best there was and ever will be like most of you are saying he is..you treat him as if he were a God…

    Everything is specualtion until Fedor fights in the Octogon until then he hasnt beaten everyone nor has he proven he rains supreme in MMA world.

    For everyone sake i hope he does figh in the octogon that way win or lose most everyone would shut up and this stupid argument would be over.

    I am pro Fedor i think he is great, i just think he is not the best out there as in my opinion i think overall there are other fighters in different weight classes who are much better fighters overall in their prime career and when they were as well…Machida, GSP, Horn, Hughes, anderson Silva, Rampage…. just to name a few.

  62. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Sorry more to add…to extend not to just the UFC…AA,Barnett, Mike Brown, Torres, Faber etc…

  63. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 7:41 am

    And how could i forget Dan Severn 86-16-7 and

    miguel torres 35-1.

    Fedor obviously doesnt have the best record in MMA through 32 fights. sorry but Facts are facts.

  64. roy

    June 1, 2009 at 7:55 am

    i could see you compareing torres record as far as p4p but how can you bring up severn or horn when the majority of there wins are in back yard shows and they have plenty of loses(usually when in big shows) apples and oranges and fedor has beaten everyone he has faced your bringing up guys with plenty of loses.just face it tim he was already voted the best ever by fighters and people in the sport and please bring up someone with a better record no some one with loses off the top of my head you got machida with 15 wins very good but not 30 + wins the only one comparable as far as records is torres and i don't see any hw that is close.only people who buy into dana's bs beleave that he has to prove himself in the octagon.

  65. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 7:57 am

    Affliction to Continue its Events, Says Exec

    Posted By jack | MMA News | May 31, 2009, 03:31 AM |

    While Affliction executives have been forced to answer questions regarding the financial stability of the company from the time of the promotion's inception, Affliction COO Michael Cohen recently insisted the company is doing just fine.

    Cohen recently told AOL FanHouse that nor only does he expect the company's third event, "Trilogy," to turn a profit, but that he could "assure" a fourth, fifth and sixth event.

    "Affliction: Trilogy," featuring a long-awaited clash between Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett, takes place Aug. 1 at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.

    While Affliction's first two events have been star-studded affairs, the company's astronomical paydays have led many experts to predict demise for the organization.

    January's "Day of Reckoning" awarded $3.3 million in paydays compared to just $1.4 million collected in ticket revenue. Likewise, the July 2008 event had an official purse of $3.3 million, while the live gat topped out at $2.1 million.

    —So it seems Affliction is keeping it up but for how long shit they have already lost millions a while i understand you have to start somwhere…theres a time when you have to say is the losing millions worth the risk of having only1- 3 shows a year barely and not making profits…how many years is it going to take to turn a profit or break even…so far its been 2 years plus and only 3 shows and millions lost with a third show up and coming…i fuly believe this show will either break or make affliction MMA….in todays market they can not keep paying the fighters 3.3 Million payouts and only dragging in 1.2 or so…pay the fighters less and the profits will be reached then as you grow expand the salary base. Props to the fighters though…get what you can while its there…

    Arffliction will not last if they keep this up.

  66. roy

    June 1, 2009 at 7:58 am

    heres a fact for you tim if fedor came to the ufc he would get a instant title shot- if barnett came to the ufc he would be favored no matter who they put him in there with.

  67. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 8:05 am

    Bottom line Rory Fedor has some pretty crapy wins too against NO NAMES along with some big names, i am not doubting Fedor accomplishments nor abilities i am merely making a point of records to those who want to make that the ultimate point for Fedor being the best.

    I am sorry but someone with over 100 fights is more worth the title of one of the best more so than a man with only 32 fights…wether they were against no names who cares they are all FIGHTS and you must still fight as no fighter can be overlooked no matter if they are a no name or not.

    Who are you to judge those who are so called No names?

    Your missing my point you cant point out Fedors Record as him being the best ever when you have fighters who have a more substantial Record then his with wins or losses….

    Fedor is one of the best…Fact

    Fedor is the Best…Not a Fact

    IT HAS YET TO BE PROVEN!!!

    UNTIL THEN ITS ONLY SPECULATION FROM OBSERVATION…

  68. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 8:08 am

    Barnett was already in the UFC before…Fedor would not get an instant Title match as no one in the history of the UFC has ever gotten an instant title match…he would still need to have at least 1 fight in the UFC for that.

    I do not see Dana letting the chance of someone coming into the UFC and in his first fight there win his title and then up and leave. Dana ist stupid..Fedor would have to earn it like everyone else, he is no favorite…Brock still waiting till his 4th fight to get 3rd in the UFC and he wasa rookie…Dana said it himself Fedor would have to earn his spot for a title fight if he came over.

  69. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 8:10 am

    Rory…NEWS FLASH FEDOR IS HUMAN…he isnt the ruler of MMA nor would he ever be given an instant title fight in the UFC. He would have to earn it as did everyone else past and present UFC champ has done.

  70. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 8:18 am

    I am done with this…Fedor is a great fighter….this will be a interesting fight….it could go either way….as stated i think this is the breaking point for affliction MMA this show must break even or turn a profit which i can honestly see it doing and i am not one to say that…

  71. Nichole Lesniak

    June 1, 2009 at 8:42 am

    Dave, being dominant does not make you invincible that is my problem with most fans. Anderson Silva DOMINATES his weight class too. Does that make him the best ever?

    And apparently you don’t know other sports very well if you think Dana’s behavior is unique. Ever hear of Marge Schott? Mark Cuban? George Steinbrenner?

    Like Cobra said – the UFC is doing just fine without Fedor, and vice-versa.

    As I have said many, many times, I am a huge fan of Fedor’s, but the man cannot walk on water. At the moment, I agree, he is the number one heavyweight; he is great, but he can lose!

    In response to your response to Tim – why are you trying so hard to discount everyone ELSE’S accomplishments?

  72. roy

    June 1, 2009 at 8:46 am

    actually dana said he would get a instant title and no he wouldn't sign a one fight deal it would be a multiple deal and dana would admitt that he is the best ever and there is a big difference in fighting so called cans in pride and rings than fighting guys in some no name show in kentucky sorry if you don't see the difference but there is

    than you say

    Fedor is the Best…Not a Fact- than who is?

    IT HAS YET TO BE PROVEN!!!

    he won more votes than any other fighter who does he neeed to prove it too?

  73. Nichole Lesniak

    June 1, 2009 at 11:04 am

    roy…punctuation…please, learn it!

    You're going by VOTES to prove who's the best? Yeah, that's a reliable ranking system.

  74. dane drebin

    June 1, 2009 at 11:50 am

    the fedor hate on here is rediculous. Tim saying jeremy horn and hughes have better records than fedor is absurd. jeremy horn has 19 losses 8 being by submission and 2 by tko or ko. his fights are padded with nobodies. Hughes has lost by tko or ko 4 times and submitted twice.

    fedor has lost by cut once and has faced tons of world champions. Fedor isnt invincible everyone can lose but he hasnt yet. everyone likes to tear someone down who seems unstopable.

    another thing is Dana white has been quoted and so has frank mir that if fedor would sign he would immediatly get a title shot so maybe u should do a little research before you spout off on things.

    im with you roy theres no use trying to convince these people how good fedor is if his 30-1 record, destroying 5 ufc heavyweight champions, destroying Crocop in his prime, and beating everyone from small to hundreds of pounds heavier than him isnt enough nothing will. this site is getting increasingly less fun to post on because of all the TUF nutthuggers who think UFC=MMA. Ive got news for you people the UFC isnt the NFL and it isnt the NBA. Japan has most of the top ranked fighters from 155 down, Brazil has awesome fighters than dont fight in the UFC, Affliction has most of the top ranked Heavyweights, and Strikeforce has some of the top ranked fighters in the world aswell. Just because fedor hasnt sold his life over to the UFC doesnt make him any less of a champion. Barnette and arlovski are both ranked higher than either of the champions in the ufc right now so why does fedor need to come to the ufc right now? beating the #2 and #3 heavyweights isnt good enough? No he needs to come beat the ones who arent in the top 5 yet.

  75. dane drebin

    June 1, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    but seriously how sad has ur guy's side of the arguement gotten when u gotta say fedors record is about as good as jeremy horn's lol. ive trained at jeremy horns gym i live pretty close to it he's a badass and has had tons of fights but come on… jeremy horn and fedor.

    It's not just fedors awesome record its how he's only gone to a decision 7 times. he doesnt just win he destroys people.

    and tim u said

    "Fedor is one of the best…Fact

    Fedor is the Best…Not a Fact

    IT HAS YET TO BE PROVEN!!!

    UNTIL THEN ITS ONLY SPECULATION FROM OBSERVATION…"

    cool man then after brock lesnar has 30 fights i'll say the same thing. You could say that about any fighter till the day they die. The fact is fedor has the most impressive win streak in mma right now because of how long hes been unbeaten and who he's beaten. Period. and you cant find anyone who is more impressive right now so ur argument is a feeble one.

  76. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Damn strait…i will stick my comments and Brock is one of the best but he is not the best/greatest ever until proven himself.

    Whats not to understand about my comments i was merely pointing out records…

    Look again i am not trying to hate on FEdor…at all…but when you speak of he has the best record in MMA period…I FUCKING DISAGREE.. when you have legends who are 80-19 and 86-16, and current fighters who are 16-9 and 34-1 etc… how can you make that statemetn that Fedor has the best record…you treat him like he is a God but he is really far from…thats like me saying Lesnar has the best record in MMA…its ridiculous….while Fedor is a great fighter and ultimately bound for hall of fame in MMA i dont think he is the best and that is my opinion…and he defenetly does not have the best record…hmm a guy who loses 16 or 19 fights out of 108 compared to a man who is 31-1….you can fucking compare the win to loss ratio until Fedor has over 80 fights in MMA which he will never ever ever get to…shit he probably wont ever make it to 50…so basically out of the 32 fighters he has ever faced you are saying Fedor is the best in the world…he has only faced 32 fighters in the world while other have face 40, 50, 60 100 plus fighters… you can discredit the wins all you want but fact is a fight is a fight and no one is counted out, i mean its not like i am comparing Fedor record to a guy who has 100 fights and has lost half or even more than half of them…

    All i am saying for all you losers you can not discredit someone who has fought 2, 3, 4 times as many times as someone has fights and wins combined.

    I am sorry but the most impressive win streak in MMA right now is Machida at 16….

    Again until Fedor fights in the octogon the speculation remains wether he is the best of the best or not….truly he deserves his credit for his accomplishments no doubt but he is not the best ever period nor does he have the best record.

    Your right as of now Fedor is the best but he is not the best ever as of now as he has yet to have proven this by fighting in all levels of MMA.

    Disagree all you want my opinions are mine and thats what makes MMA great the controversy.

  77. Tim

    June 1, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Correction 16-0, 18-1 etc…

  78. dane drebin

    June 1, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    quality of wins over quantity and how you won those fights tim that's all i have to say. losing by cut doesnt really count in my eyes. Fedor has beaten a lot more high level oponents than machida has. Machida very well could beat fedors legacy when its all said and done but as of right now he hasnt.

    "Your right as of now Fedor is the best but he is not the best ever as of now as he has yet to have proven this by fighting in all levels of MMA."

    ^ that made no sense… he's the best but not the best of all time? whos better? name someone and i'll tell u why at this point in time fedor is better. im not trying to put you down im just curious who you think is better. everyone has an oppinion i respect yours i just dont see how anyone could be put above fedor right now when he just knocked out tim sylvia in 36 seconds and then finished the number 2 heavyweight in the world in under a round.

  79. Nichole Lesniak

    June 1, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    I must've missed the part where people are "hating" on Fedor….

  80. steve

    June 1, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    You must have missed the part where people are hating on Fedor?? Ok I think you hate on him and Tim WOW. THats all Tim does is hate on Fedor b/c he is so up the ass of the STEROID FREAK Brock Lesnar. First it was how fedor isnt the baddest man on the planet and how he was a bitch b/c he didnt fight to the death remeber that guys? Now its he isnt the best b/c he hasnt fought in a cage. And he is saying that 86-16-7 is better than 31-1. LOL 16 losses 7 draws. Hughes record is 43-7. You think Fedor will go or would go worse than 12-6 in 18 more fights? He would have to win less than 50% of his next 18 fights Tim. You have no clue what your talking about really. You act like Fedor is at a disadvantage in the cage and how he would have so much trouble or could lose and do terrible. Just stop. Nobody agrees with you. No matter how many posts in a row you do. You are only making yourself look dub by trying to downplay Fedor soo much and yet you say Lesnar is "great" but he is 3-1. Yah maybe he has just as good of a record as fedor aswell? Let me guess Lesnar will be 40-1 when he retires right Tim? Fedor has some of the sickest ground and pound actually probally the sickest ground and pound from open guard that I have ever seen. His his hit like hammers coming down on peoples faces. If he could toss them against the cage what makes you think he couldnt get them. Then he is a master of the armbar. I dont know why I did this. I have already said all this to Tim already last time he posted like 100,000 posts on Fedor. Stop hating Tim Lesnar will never be as good face it and its too bad you never watched Pride like most of us. If you did you might not be saying all this ignorant shit!!!

  81. steve

    June 1, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    his his=his hands*

    making yourself look dumb*

  82. Nichole Lesniak

    June 2, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Did anyone in here say that Fedor was bad? No.

    I have said over and over that I'm a fan – I've said that he's great. All I said is that he's NOT a god. Tim has said the same thing. He has given completely legitimate reasons why he's not one.

    In the comparison between the records, you're missing the point. The point is when Fedor gets 100 fights under his belt, he very well COULD HAVE 16 losses. Guess what, in Jeremy Horn's first 32 fights, he only had 2 losses – does that make HIM the best ever? It was a GOOD comparison, you just missed the point.

  83. roy

    June 2, 2009 at 1:39 am

    roy…punctuation…please, learn it!

    i didn't know this was spelling class

    nichole…tact…please, learn it

    tim i could show you how wrong you are but whats the point.

  84. Tim

    June 2, 2009 at 2:50 am

    I am wrong for basing my opinions…SO a Fucking what…i dont give a shit what you think and neitehr do you.

    steve, i have said it before and i will say it again, i am not a Fedor Hater i just do not think he is the best of all time with only 32 FUCKING fights compared to others with 40, 50, 60, 80 and over 100 fights….no matter the quality of the opponent or not is not for you to determine…do you know every fighter Dan Sever Faced were they all pushovers? NO every fight is a fight…just becuase Fedor has faced 5 ex UFC fighters and won you say he is the best Ever…..come on the only person on this site with some logic is Nichole….

    Thats all i am saying logical reason on why Fedor is not the best ever as that can be debated and No one will ever know for sure until Fedor fights in the Octogon and has at least 50 times… you can not say that a man with 32 fights has the better record than someon who has over 100 and has lost only 19 times…hmm they have won 86 fights and Fedor has won 31…who has more wins and have faced MORE COMPETITION..

    This is the fact Fedor has not faced everyone and simply can only be regarded as being the best at the moment but as steve stated the best there is, was and ever will be… thats going to extreme when you clearly have vets and current fighters with better records than his….You want to point out competition…fedor has only faced 32 fighters…while Horm and Severn have faced over 100..now thats a legitimate record that could be considered one of the bes ever.

    No one is doubting Fedor and his accomplishments or his legacy…again all i a have been saying is Fedors Record is not the best….

  85. Tim

    June 2, 2009 at 2:52 am

    I never said

  86. Tim

    June 2, 2009 at 2:54 am

    sorry, i never said Horm and Severn were the best i stated their RECORDS can be considered one of the best ever

  87. steve

    June 2, 2009 at 3:31 am

    You are the only one saying that horns record and Severns record is better than Fedors. So im not the only one saying that your coment was stupid. If a guy has lost 19 times his record is NOT the best of all times. 90% of horns and severns wins are against local competition. Thats like getting in a bar fight against a guy who is trashed for Horn and top guys of mma. I dont see how you think that record is better. Especially when Fedor really hasnt lost. You're saying his record isnt good when you know this. That is what is so pathetic about your arguement. Sorry your hate for Fedor and love for Lesnar gets you targeted. Get over it Fedor is the best no matter how bad you dont want to accept it.

  88. steve

    June 2, 2009 at 3:33 am

    80-19-5. Horns record. This is average 4-1 in every 5 fights. Fedors record is 31-1. There is a fact for ya.

  89. Cobra Clutch

    June 2, 2009 at 3:56 am

    For records, you guys should go by winning percentage, not wins, and have a minimum number of fights (Say, 10-15 min). (Draws and no contests, for this example, I've counted as half-points):

    MACHIDA: 1.000

    FEDOR: .953 (or, .968, because that loss should be a NC)

    SILVA (Anderson): .857

    SEVERN: .824

    HORN: .793

    BJ PENN: .710 (plus one hissy fit)

    I just threw in Penn to make fun of him crying and bringing his mommy to the hearings. haha.

  90. Nichole Lesniak

    June 2, 2009 at 4:06 am

    Roy – punctuation isn't spelling, but if you want someone to take your post seriously, they need to be able to READ it. And tact? Do you even know what tact is?

    Steve – the more fights you have, the better the chance of your record taking a hit (by percentage or otherwise). When Fedor has 100 fights, we'll see how it compares to Horn/Severn/Hughes/whoever.

    lol @ Cobra for the Penn comparison!

  91. roy

    June 2, 2009 at 4:16 am

    Roy – punctuation isn’t spelling, but if you want someone to take your post seriously, they need to be able to READ it. And tact? Do you even know what tact is?

    as soon as i wrote that i thought you would bring that up, i should have said english class, and yes i know what tact is but maybe you don't, seeing as you don't have much.

  92. roy

    June 2, 2009 at 4:20 am

    cobra good numbners it shows nichole and tim don't know what there talking about, and how many fighters in any sport get 100 fights under there belt not many and for good reason, if a fighter gets to 40 fights in his career that is a alot.

  93. Al 2.0

    June 2, 2009 at 4:39 am

    THis is how i see this fight going down. During the staredown Barnett stares deep into Fedor's soul and by sheer amazement alone is knocked out by the supernatural power that Fedor possesses. Then, Jesus Christ himself acsends from the heavens where he is sporting a 4,532-0 mma record and Fedor successfully and easily puts him in an armbar 13 seconds into the first round. This displeases God and he brings Fedor up into the heavens to have a one on one grudge match with old Pride rules applying. Realizing the mistake he made by bringing Fedor up into the heavens, God lays down and realizes that Fedor is the real God. Now Fedor sits atop the worldly throne. His first actions of God of the universe is to make Dana White his personal towel boy as Fedor competes in other worldly Sambo competitions. Then he cures cancer, defeats Darth Vader, and saves everyone from apocalypse by throwing one punch at the mega asteriod heading our way.

    or I can see an armbar second round or something like that.

  94. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 5:01 am

    nichole u always have to throw in NOOBODY'S SAYING HE'S NOT GREAT WE ARE JUST SAYING HE'SM NOT GOD.

    who has said he's god?

    Tim ill ask for the millionth time who do u think is the greatest of all time if not for fedor?

    Steve #80 was an awesome post way to blow the fedor haters out of the water

  95. Nichole Lesniak

    June 2, 2009 at 5:12 am

    roy – I'm not telling that your dog died. Tact is not something you really need in here.

    Yes, it is more sensible to go by percentage, but when one person has 100+ fights and the other only has 30+, it's still not a perfect comparison.

    dane – No one says he's god (except for Al above), but you sure do act like it.

  96. Al 2.0

    June 2, 2009 at 5:17 am

    I just said he's god ^^^ You can't say Fedor's not the best. It's like saying having a cold beer on a hot day is not the best thing. We all know the facts, who he's beat, and in what dominating fashion. Countless arguments and slanderish name calling on this website is not going to change anyone's opinion of Fedor. You love him or hate him. People want to tear down greats and find holes in fighters game. And the Fedor, A. Silva, and Machida are the three fighters right now in who I could not explain on how to defeat.

  97. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 5:30 am

    "I’m not telling that your dog died. Tact is not something you really need in here."

    you've proven that time and time again nichole

  98. steve

    June 2, 2009 at 5:44 am

    If a boxer has a 125-12 record in the amatuer ranks and has only beaten journeymen at best and has lost all 12 of his losses to the good amatuers they dont look at his record as being great. They would much rather have the guy who is 31-1 or whatever if the guy has beat other top guys. I fyou dont understand this I cant get through to you. Im not missing the point Nichole. If fedor fought the quality of fighters that Horn has fought or Severn he would probally only have that 1 loss honestly. Really the guy really shouldnt have even a blemish on his record. Its unbelievable how we are having to defend a record such as 31-1 as being one of the best records in all of mma. What HW has a record close to this exactly? A top HW that is. Name someone that has close to the respect among fighters as Fedor does. GSP, Anderson, and Machida. These are the only guys who have that respect right now. Its not just us calling him non human. Ask the top fighters about him they always pick him to win and say that he is gonna win b/c he is Fedor. Wow thats saying something dont ya think. Sylvia said he isnt human when asked about him after his fight. Has he said that about anyone else? I dont think so. Fedors is a BADASS who doesnt have to be the strongest or the fastest. He doesnt need the best technique or to be the most athletic. This is why he is so great. He just flat out wins. As forrest Griffin once said about himself. Hes just a dawg;)

  99. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 5:47 am

    who cares what the top fighters think steve nichole has way more mma experience and knowledge lol

  100. Nichole Lesniak

    June 2, 2009 at 5:52 am

    dane – The point was that "tact" was not the appropriate word choice. An MMA forum is not a place where ANYONE "uses" tact.

    Steve – "Its unbelievable how we are having to defend a record such as 31-1 as being one of the best records in all of mma. "

    Problem is you weren't all talking about him as having the best record, you were all just flat out saying he's the best EVER.

    And Al – you don't HAVE to love him OR hate him. Just be realistic.

  101. Nichole Lesniak

    June 2, 2009 at 5:53 am

    So then that goes the same for you dane.

  102. roy

    June 2, 2009 at 5:54 am

    she should stick to writing about the tuf show that she watched the night thats about the extent of her mma knowledge it seems.

  103. steve

    June 2, 2009 at 6:11 am

    Burn!! Nice one roy. As tbs would say in a George W. Bush tone VERY FUNNY.

  104. Tim

    June 2, 2009 at 6:18 am

    Dane Drebin…the greatest fighters of all time are a bunch who made this sport what it is today..Gracie, Shamrock, Severn, Hughes, Horn, Coleman, Couture…these men can be considered some of the greatest fighters in MMA history.

    Again i am not saying Fedor isnt the best, he is the best right now… And Steve shut the fuck up a listen…i dont hate Fedor at all for the hundreth time…he doesnt have the best record in MMA and thats my point….does he have one of the best records no shit…but the BEST EVER FUCK NOW so maybe that will clarify for you…FEdor does not have te best record ever to be seen in the history of MMA as steve put it and others.

    While his record is great its not the best ever and that is my point. Steve i thought we were talking professional Fights…all of Horm and Severn fights have been professional Wins against MMA professionals no ametuers are in those wins. Bad analogy…Face it man Fedor has a great Record but it is not the greatest and Fedor is the best right now but he is not the greatest ever….facts remain to be seen if that can be another addition to his career…and until then its only speculation.

  105. Al 2.0

    June 2, 2009 at 6:24 am

    Here's some realism:

    Fedor has one 12 of 15 Sambo tournaments, and placed 3rd or higher in the other 3.

    He has won 3 mma tournaments with Pride, Rings king of king, and Ring world class

    He was undisputed Pride Heavyweight champ, now Wamma Champ.

    His record is 31-1-1 with his only loss coming from a cut in which the doctor would not allow him to continue.

    He has beaten 5 former UFC champs…about to be sixth when he puts Barnett away (knock on wood)

    -Mark Coleman, Kevin Randelman, Noguira (beat him twice), Arlovski, Sylvia

    Other names he's beat:

    -babalu

    -Cro Crop

    -Hong man choi (had over 100 lbs on him)

    -Heath Herring

    -Matt Lindland

    -Kazuyuki Fujita (watch the hit he took from this huge man on youtube and tell me you don't love Fedor)

    OUt of his 31 wins he has only been to decision 7 times…he has finished everyone else off in beautiful violent fashion. His last decision win was in August 2005 against Cro Crop.

    You look at him and think chubby beer junkie, you look at him in the ring and you change your mind to graceful and tactical mma fighter. The only reason anyone would hate on Fedor is either a) you've never seen him fight…real life or ppv b) you've been living under an mma rock for the past 7 years of so.

    I don't want to say he's the best ever…but I don't know how to finish that sentence.

  106. Al 2.0

    June 2, 2009 at 6:31 am

    Ah, you know what, based on that resume I could beat his ass hands down. Someone call his people and set up a fight night, cause I ain't scurred.

  107. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 6:44 am

    dude im done with the forum comment 104 pretty much sums up the brains on the other side of this debate.

    lol Gracie, Shamrock, Severn, Hughes, Horn, Coleman, Couture

    they were all pioneers but the greatest of all time?

    its about as retarded as you tim

  108. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 7:09 am

    lol jeremy horn… just over 100 fights and never won a ufc championship… would think in a hundred fights he woulda got lucky haha

    Mark coleman doesnt even have 30 fights but he's one of the greatest of all time right even tho fedor destroyed him twice

    randy's 16-9 but still i would say he one of the greatest for sure because of his accomplishents

    shamrock is nowhere near fedor ever in anything

  109. Tim

    June 2, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Al 2.0…exactly i dont want to say he is the best ever…but you dont know how to end that sentance….

    thats a perfect analogy because the guy is so good but you cant realisticly say he is the best ever when there is so much more out there and yet to come…surely he is one of the best.

    Yes, Gracie, Shamrock, Severn, Hughes, Horn, Coleman, Couture can be considered some of the greatest fighters in the history of MMA… i didnt say the best ever now did I…unlik you and your Fedor talk…these men help pioneer the sport unlike Fedor has and have earned their way into the Hall of Fame of MMA and the recognition of being some of the greatest fighters…being considered the greatest fighter has different levels….record, ability, accomplishments, etc…you can not put a one person in the greatest ever catagory….you just cant…there is simply to many others to choose from on different levels.

    To say i am dumb is an insult to yourself…i speak logic and if logic is dumb than your reality persecption is inconceivably ignorant.

    I never said fedor isnt the best right now…i just said he is not the greatest to ever have stepped foot in MMA, his legacy is bound for glory but it will always be tarnished with the debate of him being the greatest becuase HOW CAN YOU PUT JUST ONE FIGHTER IN THAT CATAGORY WHEN THE HISTORY OF THIS SPORT IS SO VAST….YOU JUST CANT.

    I will say this Fedor is on his way to becoming ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTERS IN THE HISTORY OF MMA BUT THE GREATEST EVER…HELL NO…

  110. roy

    June 2, 2009 at 7:52 am

    HOW CAN YOU PUT JUST ONE FIGHTER IN THAT CATAGORY WHEN THE HISTORY OF THIS SPORT IS SO VAST….YOU JUST CANT.

    well they did and fedor won- if bas and everyother great fighter can concede that he is the best i can.

    ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTERS IN THE HISTORY OF MMA BUT THE GREATEST EVER…HELL NO…

    why a hell no, everyone involved with the sport seems to think he is.

    ok i am done. its just to easy to debate about fedor because he always wins.

  111. Tim

    June 2, 2009 at 8:02 am

    I am done your not getting my point…Fedor is one the greatest but he is not the greatest…that can be debated and no one is saying he isnt great.

    Shit Muhammed Ali is considered one the greatest boxers of all time as in likewise was Rocky Marciano…along with Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield…get my drift…not one person can be considered the greatest ever to have lived but can be in A CLASS of greatest to have ever lived.

    Roy…were on the same page man just a different paragraph…..and maybe even a different language but the outcome is the same Fedor is ONE of many to be considered the greatest of all time.

  112. Dave

    June 2, 2009 at 8:36 am

    NICHOLE, I must be going crazy here. First you say that I must not know any other sports because of what I said about Dana White's behavior? Do you realize that the people you named were OWNERS of teams – Not presidents or commissioners of an entire sport.

    Second, why do you keep implying that anyone is saying Fedor walks on water? Most of the comments on this board are just people saying that he is the best pound for pound (which most polls will show and agree with). When you say things like that, it makes you appear to be more of a Fedor hater instead of "a big fan".

    And lastly, are you confusing me for someone else? Why did you say that I am "trying hard to discount everyone else" when I accused Tim of doing that to Fedor's accomplishments?

  113. 69insidemytriangle

    June 2, 2009 at 8:39 am

    hey motherfuckers im the new kid in town and imma bouts to own this fucker

  114. 69insidemytriangle

    June 2, 2009 at 8:47 am

    i read the news on this website but dont like to post but sumthing need ta b said

    Tim your a cocksucker… fedor can not be called the greatest because nobody can… shut the fuck up you whinny lil bitch. you said some stupid shit and can't own up to it. fedorsm the best by far why dont you go tittyfuck cock chestnar and stop annoying the entire internet

    and Nicole while you dont bitch as much as tim everytime i read what you write i picture a big dike wearing boxing gloves. people who think fedor is da best pound4pound are the majority. you are the minority ho get da fuck outta here. you think cus you can write you know anythign about fighting? you prolly dont even compete in any atheltics. you prolly jus some big broad eating bon bons.

  115. fedor24

    June 2, 2009 at 9:47 am

    Fedor is the best mma fighter of all time today. I realize that at some point in time someone will surpass his accomplishments. The term "best of all time" implies Fedor is the best we have seen yet and he certainly is the best we have seen yet. If this is not true then show me the man who can beat him today. Tell me the past fighter who in his prime could beat Fedor today. Until he is retired or defeated badly he is the best of all time today.

  116. steve

    June 2, 2009 at 10:59 am

    So let me get this straight. In 115 posts now only 1 other person agrees with Tim. And thats Nichole. 2 vs the rest. hmm lets see yeah Tim your speaking logic alright. Nobody agrees with you. Post 114 is one of my fav. posts I have ever seen. That shit is nicely said. Fedor is the best TIM. If the fighters say he is then what the fuck matters what your opinion is? You have never even seen a legend in the sport. You are fucking obsessed with Brock Lesnar lol. Just stop posting unless you want more people to call you stupid. Seriously your not going to win an arguement when nobody agrees with you at all.

  117. Nichole Lesniak

    June 2, 2009 at 11:55 am

    wow, 69…you're a mature one! How's high school?

  118. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    im with you steve post 114 made me almost piss my pants lol. 69insidemytriangle doesnt fuck around lol.

  119. Nichole Lesniak

    June 2, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Dave –

    Does it matter what position a person holds in an organization? The behavior is the same. Dana is not the president of an entire sport – he's the president of ONE organization within a sport.

    This is not the only forum where people discuss Fedor. Read other sites – people do imply that Fedor walks on water. And polls are just peoples' opinions. I can be a fan and be realistic at the same time.

    Didn't confuse you – that's why I asked.

  120. Cobra Clutch

    June 2, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    High school? You're giving people too much credit, Nichole. Hahaha. More like grade school. Him and his back-woods cronies. But Fedor is the best in my opinion. I just don't need to go the childish route of insulting people like an adolescent. hahaha.

  121. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    if this debate was on sherdog there would be like 49 more people debating and 46 of them would be flaming the other three along with tim and nichole lol

  122. 69insidemytriangle

    June 2, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    High school? your giving peeps too much credit nichole humhumhum har har har cobra clutch u lil queerfucker. da broke back mountain websites thata way gay boy.

    Y dont you just stop beatin round da bush and ask nicoles dikey ass out already. swear to god every other post on dis website its you commin to nicoles rescue even if you dont agree wit her. your shits pathetic boy get off da internet and stop tryin to dry hump some fat chick u dont know through da key board.

  123. 69insidemytriangle

    June 2, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    p.s. tim where u at cock sucker?

  124. other derek

    June 2, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    i'm here huckleberry

  125. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    lmao at #122

    its like having a slightly homosexual kimbo on the site lol. i like how he spells everything the way it sounds and spells NICHOLE's name wrong everytime.

    i must admitt tho i have had my suspicions about cobra's obsession with nichole tho lol

    other derek- huckleberry? lol u wierdo

  126. Cobra Clutch

    June 2, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    wow. Dane, do you really want to take sides with 69 just to be opposite of me? Really? He can't spell, can't form proper thoughts, and insults everyone to the point where I look forward to your postings. hahaha.

    I think I agreed with Dane a few times, too, but no one is noticing that because it's fun to make fun of Nichole for some reason? She's a writer for the site who does excellent recaps on TUF (which are very detailed and take a ton of time), uses proper sentence structure and spelling, and thinks about what she posts.

    I also recall saying Steve had excellent posts, too. But, hey, Dane, if you want to side with a moronic child who constantly spits vitriol, then that's up to you, brother. But you're judged by the company you keep.

  127. Cobra Clutch

    June 2, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Oh, and speaking of "gay"…how gay is "69 inside my triangle?" He's saying he likes to 69 guys by holding them in his crotch. Hahaha. I guess it's true. The closet homosexuals deal with their self-hatred by projecting onto others who and what THEY are. hahahaha.

  128. Cobra Clutch

    June 2, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Translation of 127 in 69's language for him to understand:

    O, an speekin uv “gaye”…howe gaye iz “69 insyde ma triangul?” Heez sayin he likez 2 69 guyz bi howldin dem in hiz croch. Harheehaw. Eye guez itz troo. Da clowset homorseckshualz deel wit they self-h8red buy prujecktin on two uthers hoo an whut DEY r. hawhawhaw. snort. fart. fapfap. wank-to-gay-porn.

  129. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    hey man you called me douche bag a buncha times on this forum so ofcourse im gunna think its funny when someone slams you. i said i thought one of your posts were stupid and you went off callin me a buncha stuff. 69 is for sure a wierdo but he adds a little ghetto flavor to this website lol. he hasnt gone of on me yet and what i can actually read of his posts some of it is pretty funny.

  130. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    lol at #128 that was good

  131. 69insidemytriangle

    June 2, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    i like holdin yo mama in my triangle cobra

  132. Cobra Clutch

    June 2, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    ghetto flavor? hahaha. I bet it's a 14 year old white kid from Utah (no offense, Dane) hahaha…Like these guys…

    http://www.lolwigger.com/

    Not that I agree with the term or the derivative meaning of the site name, but the site's pictures are full of 69inmytriangle's.

    And I didn't go off just because you disagreed, but because you insultingly disagreed. Big difference. But I won't hold grudges.

  133. dane drebin

    June 2, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    hahah thats a way funny website thanks for sharing and i dont hold grudges either its just an mma website i couldnt care less

  134. Cobra Clutch

    June 2, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    it's funny. after all the comebacks, links, and slams and stuff I spit back at the child, his responses: "you're gay" and "your mama" hahahaha

  135. Tim

    June 3, 2009 at 12:34 am

    69insidemytriangle…WOW some harsh words for someone who is probably a littl bitch of his own…Dude we dont talk like this on here this is a clean and respect site even if we do disagree with eachother its always within a respectable manner…calling people stupid is one thing but when the name calling is said thats just irrelevant and down right ridiculous, i cant see you and you cant see me so stop with the name calling to make yourself feel better and bigger or whatever it makes no sense, its not like your fucking in my face…I could care less what you call me here but again this is a respectable site and we usually do not talk that sort of dirty trash. Number 1 you dont know me or anyone else here so shut up with the smack talk…voice your opinions all you want…this site is made for it but keep the trash talking to yourself or find another site that does this crap…because we dont do that here.

  136. Tim

    June 3, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Since no one can really read between the lines, i will agree with you all as i have been and speak your language….once and for all Fedor is the BEST as of NOW and he is in a class with the Greatest MMA fighters ever to have lived.

    I am not nearly as obsessed with Lesnar as some are with Fedor…you guys really go a bit to far some times….at least with the fighters that i like i can honestly see their flaws and abilities…I have my fav fighters so does that make me obsessed with them? NO i am just a fan of MMA period win or lose and debate my opinions.

  137. Nichole Lesniak

    June 3, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Sad what this thread turned into…. my unborn child has more maturity and sense than some people.

  138. Dave

    June 3, 2009 at 5:29 am

    Nichole,

    Do I really have to spell it out for you? Dana White holds the most pretigious position in MMA as the head of the most well known organization. Yet all he does is spout off against every fighter and evey other organization that isn't the UFC. He get's off on acting like an angry 20 year old. After a while, all that is doing is making your sport look stupid.

    This isn't Vince McMahon and the WWE but people will continue to associate it that way because of Dana's example. I love MMA and want it to be looked at as a legitamate sport but it isn't going to happen until they get some professionals to run it (ie MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL)

    IF you can't show me an example of how I am “trying hard to discount everyone else” or at least admit that you were wrong then I will stop bugging you. It doesn't do me any good to debate with someone who is so irrational. I am sorry I struck a chord with you when I said that a fighter outside the UFC was the best pound for pound.

  139. Nichole Lesniak

    June 3, 2009 at 5:31 am

    Dave,

    And yet miraculously, he made the sport what it is. Go figure.

    I don't care who the fighter fights for….I follow all MMA, not just UFC.

  140. Dave

    June 3, 2009 at 5:50 am

    Your blind emotion towards the UFC and baseless criticism of Fedor tells us otherwise.

    As far as DW is concerned, I am not trying to take away what he has already done.. However, he is a big part of the reason for it's failures as well: it is a sport which isn't even legal in states like New York and Michigan. The head of the New York athletic commission specifically claimed that White was a lunatic and a major reason for this.

  141. Tim

    June 3, 2009 at 6:02 am

    Looks like MMA will become legal in NYC….very soon…

  142. Dave

    June 3, 2009 at 6:05 am

    Really? I haven't heard that yet but that would be huge.

  143. Nichole Lesniak

    June 3, 2009 at 6:06 am

    Blind emotion? Where did I say anything about the UFC? I've only said that Dana is a businessman first and foremost. Regardless of his mouth, the UFC is the one organization actually being run well and is flourishing while others are dying. If he was half as bad as people thought he was, the Fertitta bros could and would fire him.

    And please, tell me where I criticized Fedor – show me ONE negative thing I said about him. I am just realistic. As a matter of fact, if you go back and read the articles I've written, I've said nothing but GOOD things about him (particularly in my article about his fight with Sylvia). I'm just realistic. I have my favorite fighters, but I don't blindly drool all over them and pick fights about it.

  144. Nichole Lesniak

    June 3, 2009 at 6:18 am

    Dave, I take it back, Fedor is over-rated, and you dont know anything about MMA, so suck it

  145. other derek

    June 3, 2009 at 6:20 am

    lol…………..ooooooooooooooooooh

  146. Dave

    June 3, 2009 at 6:21 am

    That's more like it. By the way, are you related to Dana White in any way?

  147. Nichole Lesniak

    June 3, 2009 at 6:25 am

    Wow…you're good…so good that you can plug in my name and pretend to be me. Hey, at least you spelled my name right.

  148. Nichole Lesbiak

    June 3, 2009 at 6:32 am

    IM ANGRY. SPELLING IS HARD

  149. Dave

    June 3, 2009 at 6:36 am

    Oh please…if I could do that I would write something like what a turn on it is to read my rants and opinions. Give me a little credit.

  150. Nichole Lesniak

    June 3, 2009 at 6:41 am

    I didn't mean you, I meant whoever did it.

    And in answer to your question – if were related to DW, do you think I'd complain about his relationship with press? I'd have a lot more inside info, and I'd actually get in to UFC shows!

    And to the poser above – spelling isn't hard if you have more than a 5th grade education.

  151. dane drebin

    June 3, 2009 at 7:16 am

    and….. im done with this forum its become retarded

  152. Cobra Clutch

    June 3, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Can we all agree to at least not put different names in? This is really stupid at this point. Let me end by just addressing the idea that the UFC is a "failure" because of Dana…that's absurd. The UFC keeps growing and is seen by many outside of the MMA world as the "major leagues." I tell people that I love MMA and practice it, and people are like "what's that?" Then I ask "Have you heard of the UFC?" and they say yeah. Then I tell them that's what it is. Most of them then say "Why didn't you just say that?" hahaha. So, if non-fans know UFC before MMA, and the pay per view sales keep breaking records, and Spike's UFC specials continue to get higher ratings than baseball's World Series……the UFC is FAR from a "failure."

  153. Tim

    June 3, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Major props…couldnt have said it better myself…Cobra…

  154. dane drebin

    June 3, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    im gunna recap my thought too cuz this forum is getting rediculous

    1. anyone who think the ufc is a failure because of dana are out of their mind. the ufc is growing at a wild rate its obviously not failing. could it be doing better with a less contraversial character? maybe but who knows

    2. fedor is the number one heavyweight and IMO the best p4p right now

    3. people who sign an on other posters names to make them say things they dont wanna say are annoying. whats the point?