Cage Today Fighter Rankings


  1. Mike Brown
  2. Urijah Faber
  3. Leonard Garcia
  4. Norifumi Yamamoto
  5. Masakazu Imanari
  6. Wagnney Fabiano
  7. Hatsu Hioki
  8. Rafael Assuncao
  9. Takeshi Inoue
  10. Yugi Hoshino


  1. BJ Penn
  2. Kenny Florian
  3. Shinya Aoki
  4. Eddie Alvarez
  5. Joachim Hansen
  6. Sean Sherk
  7. Gesias Calvancanti
  8. Gray Maynard
  9. Nick Diaz
  10. Josh Thomson


  1. Georges St. Pierre
  2. Thiago Alves
  3. Jon Fitch
  4. Josh Koscheck
  5. Jake Shields
  6. Matt Hughes
  7. Carlos Condit
  8. Matt Serra
  9. Karo Parisyan
  10. Mike Swick


  1. Anderson Silva
  2. Rich Franklin
  3. Dan Henderson
  4. Yushin Okami
  5. Robbie Lawler
  6. Nate Marquardt
  7. Gegard Mousasi
  8. Matt Lindland
  9. Yoshiro Akiyama
  10. Chael Sonnen
  11. Kazuo Misaki


  1. Rashad Evans
  2. Quinton “Rampage” Jackson
  3. Lyoto Machida
  4. Forrest Griffin
  5. Wanderlei Silva
  6. Keith Jardine
  7. Chuck Liddell
  8. Thiago Silva
  9. Renato Sobral
  10. Vladimir Matyushenko


  1. Fedor Emelianenko
  2. Andrei Arlovski
  3. Josh Barnett
  4. Frank Mir
  5. Brock Lesnar
  6. Randy Couture
  7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
  8. Gabriel Gonzaga
  9. Alistair Overeem
  10. Tim Sylvia


  1. Anderson Silva
  2. Georges St. Pierre
  3. BJ Penn
  4. Fedor Emelianenko
  5. Miguel Torres
  6. Urijah Faber
  7. Rashad Evans
  8. Quinton Jackson
  9. Thiago Alves
  10. Lyoto Machida

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  1. Miko

    January 3, 2009 at 6:30 am

    Shinya Aoki in second place??? hahahaha please

  2. josh

    January 3, 2009 at 6:53 am

    Aoki is a good fighter but I think Florian would run through him and i doubt he could beat some of the better wrestlers like Griffin, Sherk, Sanchez, or Stevenson. The competition in Japan isn't as stout and it favors a fighter like Aoki. He would not have the same success fighting in the us.

  3. alex

    January 3, 2009 at 6:54 am

    Well I would switch 2nd and third place for the p4p section… First of all, GSP defeated BJ, he avenged his two only losses in great fashion and have dominated so far all the top competition in his category. When you take a look at the common fighters both of em faced off GSP still have the upper hand. BJ stopped Sherk in the third round, GSP stopped him in the second. GSP clearly dominated his two wins against Matt Hughes while it was a little harder for BJ even if he stopped Hughes one round earlier than GSP. GSP only lost one of his 29 rounds he fought in the ufc and it was to BJ, even when he lost his two fights he was winning the rounds, while BJ lost 3 times by decision. Even with those stats I would say BJ and GSP are pretty close from 1 to another but when we look at it it's a bit unfair to see BJ ahead of Georges.

  4. Miko

    January 3, 2009 at 7:19 am

    BJ is an amazing lightweight, but lets be serious for a minute. Are they still going to call him a p4p contender When Ken-flo methodically picks him apart and takes a third round win?

  5. alex

    January 3, 2009 at 7:48 am

    Sorry guys I forgot an important stat up there… The combined record of the opponents both fighter fought. For GSP, the combined record of the opponents he faced is 239-35-2 in 13 fights, for an average of 86,6% of victory. For BJ the combined record of his opponents is 224-36-6 also in 13 fights. For an average of 84.2% of victory. Again, GSP have the upper hand. Note that these stats are only based in their UFC carreer and I picked my stats on, which sometimes have a record for fighters different than the UFC's official record, for example, the record of Matt Serra is 9-5 but the official UFC record is 16-5, I think that's because Sherdog don't count the wins of Ultimate Fighter internal events.

    Well to finish I made a mistake in my other text above, BJ lost only twice by decision in the UFC, his loss against Lyoto Machida was in K-1. Sorry about that mistake!

  6. Eric

    January 3, 2009 at 7:48 am

    Well said Josh and Alex.

  7. Dave

    January 3, 2009 at 7:53 am

    I still don't uderstand why people won't concede that Fedor is the best P4P fighter in the world. He has fought all of the big names handed to him and dominated. He is the most well rounded fighter in the world. Anderson Silva is great, but he has lost to some sub par fighters. Fedor has (essentially) never lost. What else do you have to do to get credit as the hands down best pound for pound fighter in the world?

  8. Eric

    January 3, 2009 at 7:56 am

    The lightweight division could get a lot of debate here. Aoki most recently defeated JZ and Alvarez which are two standout lightweight fighters. Before this loss Alvarez was getting a lot of attention in a lot of P4P rankings.

  9. alex

    January 3, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Am I hallucinating or did GSP and BJ just switched their places in the p4p section following my comments???

  10. Tim

    January 3, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Well Dave Although Fedor is good he hasnt shown why he should be lately i mean come on his last 5 fights and wins were against very low mediocre fighters even Sylvia. While Anderson Silva has fought everyone and even stepped out of his weight class for a few fights for a catch fight per say and won those in dominating fashion…honestly speaking Silva would beat Fedor in my opinion but that wont ever happen..Fedor is great but he hasnt proved he is the best p4p fighter…Silva has proven he belongs in the top 2 at least..Give Fedor 3 more wins against top notch talent and i could see him rise in the rankings.

    Lesnar is right where i thought he should be…ahead of Randy..if he beats Mir that would put him at 4th…

    GSP is amazing and wil beat BJ.

  11. steve

    January 3, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Tim did u just call Tim Sylvia Mediocre? LMAO.Then u say Fedor would lose to Anderson. Wow ok well they bith weight they same walking around but Anderson fights at MW. Hmm I wonder why? He is nervous about even going upto 205 so I dont even think he would fight Fedor. Then u want fedor to beat every single top 10 HW then he can be #1 P4P. I dont think that P4P in boxing means a whole lot so im not gonna really argue. I mean Anderson just fought James Irvin, Patrick Cote and is possibly going to fight Thals Leites. Now say what u want about fedors opponents but those fighters arent that good either atleast not if you are claiming Anderson to be #1.He should be fighting other top guys. GSP now he is IMO the P4P best and he fights the best everytime too. Just 1 more question Tim do u think Anderson would beat Lesnar b/c I think he has a way better chance against Lesnar then he does against fedor.

  12. tom

    January 3, 2009 at 9:49 am

    take gomi and put in Grey or nick diaz..

    Thiago Silva should be 3 or 4 fuck that..he is way better then chuck and most the ppl put on the top ten i think he will kill forrest or Evans watch

    faber and torrels are like number 2 or 3 best pound for pound hahaha

  13. dane drebin

    January 3, 2009 at 10:19 am

    im with you steve about anderson

    if he is really retiring after his contract every fight should be against a superstar i dont want to see him against thales.

  14. Dave

    January 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    TIM – no offense, but the fact that you actually said that Anderson Silva would beat Fedor, tells me that either you know nothing about MMA or you work for the UFC's marketing department. Anderson has 3 legitimate losses to Ryo Chonan, Daiju Takase, and Luiz Azeredo (2 by submission). Fedor has been beat by nobody. He beats anyone who he gets matched up against, good or mediocre. That is why he should be the P4P champ.

    And by the way, Tim Sylvia is mediocre? A guy who is 24-5 with only 6 victories going the distance? Put down the pipe, dude.

  15. T-LOS

    January 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    really Leonard Garcia should be held within the top 3 featherweight you saw how he destroyed pulver whereas faber took max rounds on him. i see Garcia as a champ this year.. heard it here first

  16. derek

    January 3, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    No way should Dan Henderson be listed ahead of Rich Franklin. Look at who Franklin has lost to — only Anderson Silva and undefeated part-time marathon runner Machida. Franklin has beaten some of the best in his division. Henderson on the other hand is a seasoned veteran, but has come up short in his last few fights. Sure, he looked better than Rich Franklin against the Silva fight, but looking at the overall fight career as of late, Franklin should be ranked higher.

  17. dane drebin

    January 3, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    i agree derek franklin should be ranked higher silva is the only one to beat him in the 185 division ever.

  18. Eric

    January 3, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Good points. Ok, so Franklin above Hendo. Gomi is fighting tonight so I'll wait to see what happens there before dropping him down. I agree with moving Leonard Garcia up.

    As far as pound for pound, all of the first 5 dominate their division and you can argue away for all of them. One person can say Fedor is pretty much undefeated and dominates almost all of his fights, then another person would say who has he fought lately. Then they'll say Tim Silvia doesn't count becuse he sucks, Coleman was past his prime, and Lindland was in another weight class.

    The point is that all five of those top guys are dominant and could be argued for any one of those spots. But the good news is in a few weeks we'll see Penn vs. GSP and that should say a lot.

  19. Eric

    January 3, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Tom brought up Thiago Silva. Anyone else think he should move up in the rankings?

    He's 13-0 (2 sub, 10 TKO, 1 decision) and has 4 UFC wins including 2 to newcomers and then Houston Alexander and James Irwin. Are his wins and record good enough to put him higher?

  20. dane drebin

    January 3, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    no thiago hasnt beaten anyone in the top 15 let alone top ten imo but if he beats lyoto which i doubt but will be rooting for him he should move way up.

  21. CagE

    January 3, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Gomi loses for the second time in a row at Sengoku 7, he is now off the lightweight rankings. Took Toms advise put Gray Maynard in Gomi's place.

  22. tom

    January 4, 2009 at 1:14 am

    fuck yeah…i like i said last night gomi should be out and gray should be in…check out what happend..Gomi out gray in at his spot

  23. Ryan S

    January 4, 2009 at 5:21 am

    I'm not sure how Gray Maynard makes the top 10 for lightweight. Who has he fought?

  24. dane drebin

    January 4, 2009 at 5:54 am

    maynard dominated edgar who was undefeated and beat quality opponents. edgar was on the fast track to the title before gray took him out. he just dominated rich clementi who was on a crazy winning streak and if clementi beat maynard u better believe he would be in the top ten. i think gray is way more deserving than gomi who looks like shit the last two years or diego who hasnt even proved he can make 155 yet.

  25. Kash

    January 4, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    I agree that Maynard should be in the top 10 because he has looked really impressive since TUF. I have to admit I was pissed he won Edgar because I had money riding on that fight. What the hell happened to Gomi anyway he's looked shitty since he lost to Diaz.

  26. Ryan S

    January 4, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Honestly, I didn't even know Edgar was in the top 10. Either way, I must have missed those fights because I don't remember them. I agree, I do like Maynard, and Edgar for that matter.

  27. tom

    January 4, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Grey is a badass.. he has great takedowns and ground and pound and now he can strike pretty good and he for sure has punching power.. happy to see him in the top 10 but still if Gray is in i think Nick should also be in becasue Daiz sub him

  28. dane drebin

    January 4, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    i totally forgot about diaz i think he should be in there too

    give him sanchez's spot until sanchez actually wins a fight at 155

  29. T.R.

    January 4, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    bj will tko florian when they fight. kenny looks techinical against good oppoments but bj will be too much for him.

  30. whatever

    January 4, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    how did matt hughes even make this list???

  31. icemanrcks

    January 4, 2009 at 6:32 pm


  32. Tim

    January 5, 2009 at 1:54 am

    DAVE to say that Fedor can not be beat is an understatement and just goes to show you and everyone else here who thinks that they must know nothing about MMA or are just so Hung tight around FEDOR balls that they cant seem to think otherwise that he could actually lose and right Now the best P$P fighter in the world today is Anderson Silva as he has beat legitamate opponents in every fight he has had so far in the UFC while Fedor has faced only 1 Tim Sylvia within the last 2 years so until Fedor faces top notch competion straight for the next 2 years and Silva loses he wont be P$P best fighter although he is right there at number 2. So dont tell me i know nothing because if you knew anything about MMA you would know Anyone at anytime can be beat in MMA even my favorite Lesnar can and probably will lose sometime this year although i hope he doesnt. But Seriously your just a damn fool to think that Fedor cant be beat….Never say Never.

  33. Tim

    January 5, 2009 at 2:02 am

    Steve….with all due respect Tim Sylvia was a mediocre fighter…come the only thing he had going for him was his hieght and Reach advantage and we all saw what Randy did when he neutralized that…Sylvia was beat to shit for 5 rounds by a guy 3/4 of his weight. Seriously WTF…yes Silva in my eyes could be Fedor just like you think Fedor would beat Anyone in the world..LMAO Anyone can be beat but but will it happen now that is the question….Now correct me if i wrong but didnt Anderson Silva step up to 205 to fight twice and did he not dominate them both? Get your facts straight dude and even talking about Lesnar vs Anderson is ridiculous as it wouldnt ever happen and foolish to even consider due to the wieght difference…while Anderson silva can fight at 205 and Fedor is about 220 so thats not to far off but as well that fight will never happen so its stupid to even bring up which i did so end of story on that. i just think its funny that whenver anyone says anything negative about Fedor everyone gets so riled up and has to avenge the world…come on its MMA dont be so stupid and ignorant while Fedor is Great…he is not unbeatable he just has not faced top notch talent in the past few years to be beat…lets see this year or the next 4 fights who he faces and if he wins.

  34. roy

    January 5, 2009 at 2:59 am

    i do agree tim anyone can lose, but anderson has not faced all top comp either and i beleave he only fought at 205 once and it wasn't with a ranked fighter.i would not agrue who is p4p best its all a matter of opinion anderson might be on top right now but he has lost fights before if you look at careers as a whole i would put fedor above him and i think he has fought the tougher fighters.

  35. David

    January 5, 2009 at 3:45 am

    First off, i only read the first quarter of the discussion because I then got sick to my stomach. Not to mention someone suggesting Fedor as P4P #1 fighter in the world but I'll get to that. BJ Penn and GSP. One of you started listing STATISTICS to determine the P4P rankings. Are you insane or just retarded. It's not like the NFL or NBA where you can determine the MVP. BJ Penn lost 4 times but to who? Jens Pulver during his prime, GSP, Matt Hughes, and frigging Lyoto Machida who I know will be the next champ and P4P king. The lost to GSP and Matt Hughes, he dominated the first round until he ran out of gas. Why? Because he didn't train like a normal fighter. His philosophy back then was if you're a fighter, you're a fighter. Now he knows that he has to work hard and improve on conditioning. Since then, look at what he's done. You can't tell me that GSP is in the #2 spot when he got knocked out by MATT SERRA! I'mma say this again..MATT SERRA!!!! C'mon man, an ultimate fighter COMEBACK winner. Did any of you notice that when GSP came back after that loss, he became a wrestler? WHy? Because he's afraid to get knocked out. He only stands and fights when he's already worn the guy down. What a puss man, I thought his standup was stellar but now he doesn't even have confidence to stand throughout the whole fight. Second of all, you're gonna tell me that Florian who got rocked by Sherk all 5 rounds can beat BJ Penn? Look, I like Florian but he won't be able to take out BJ Penn. He might as well wait it out till BJ moves up to welterweight but then again he still has to beat Sherk who will have the same game plan. Bottom line is that BJ has fought higher quality fighters. GSP beat Matt Hughes on his decline, beat BJ when he wasn't training, avenged the loss to Serra after a year layoff from surgery. Yeah he beat Koscheck and Fitch but I'm not saying GSP is a bum. I'm saying he is overrated. Speaking of overrated, Fedor is the most overrated fighter in history. The guy thinks he's god and keeps talking his trash. I'm getting so tired of this, it's time to put up or shut up. Let's see who he's beaten. Nogeuira, Mirko Cro Cop…..and who? Tim Sylvia? He was going down the P4P rankings until he beat Sylvia, then everyone was on his nut sack again. Yes, the Tim Sylvia who lost to Randy Couture, then Nogeuira, then Fedor. 3 fight losing streak. Sounds like someone on the decline to me. Now he's fighting Arvlovski who I think is a decent fighter but not the top contender. Fedor fans need to STFU and mail him letters begging him to get into the UFC. Cuz if you're not in the UFC you can't be the best P4P fighter because you haven't fought the best in your division.

    I'm out

  36. Tim

    January 5, 2009 at 4:26 am

    Now David i agree on Fedor being overratted but with all due respect as some people on here have gave me the insight too Not everyone in the UFC is the best although arguably so the UFC is the most anticipated and marketed promotion out there. There are plenty of array of great fighters in other promotions but i do agree that UFC has about 80% of the top talent around the world under contract between the WEC and UFC.

  37. roy

    January 5, 2009 at 6:59 am

    david your funny, i am a big bj fan but come on you make every excuse for his loss's and say since than look what he has done, yeah what beat sherk and joe daddy.sherk was a good win but kenny beat joe even faster and neither one is gsp.yeah tim sucks he only had the ufc belt like 3 times and only lost to coulture,nog,fedor and aa awhile ago probally 4 of the top five hw's, most hw's could not even list half those names on there resume.than you say aa isn't the next contender?well who is than? maybe barnett but aa would be a close 2nd.and please list the hw that has a better resume than fedor and list who he has foughten.

  38. steve

    January 5, 2009 at 7:50 am

    Roy exactly what I was about to say. David this proves how stupid u and everyone that talks shit about fedor really are. Fedor has beat the top guys. Has he beat everyone in the top 10 no. But who has? And everyone that only watches the UFC and knows nothing about everybody else in any other Organization and say they cant be good b/c they dont fight in the UFC. But like roy said the very top HWs in the world are in Affliction right now. #1,2,3 or all there. Fedor will fight AA then probally barnett and after that yeah then he can go to the UFC. But after beating AA and Barnett I would be pretty sure he would be the favorite in any fight against anyone in the UFC. If he isnt already. What is also hilarious is that if Dana White signed Fedor he claim he to be the best fighter of all time and all this and that but since he doesnt have him fighting in the ufc he keeps talking shit and how has fedor ever talked shit? U say he thinks hes GOD and keeps talking his trash. LMAO. Then u got Tim who will say anything to bad mouth Fedor. Like saying Anderson would beat Fedor. HAHA What does that have to do with anything? Like I said TIM would Anderson beat Lesnar? Come on answer it. B/c Fedor has proved in every single fight why he is ranked #1. All u hear is OMG he doesnt always fight the top guys in the world he sucks. He would get beat by anderson, he would lose to Lesnar in 3 yrs just stop saying he would lose. He hasnt yet and he has fought 29 times. Unless u count the cut he got and was given a loss. Which he avenged. Anderson lost to some of those no name type fighters that Fedor has beat everytime. Almost every top guy has losses to ppl who are shitty. U just dont talk about them like Anderson has. But not Fedor. Also Tim pull ur head outta Lesnars ass and stop hating on the guy who u know could rape lesnar. And when did I say that Fedor would beat everyone in the world. U are a dumbass that tries to make shit up to make yourself look better. Like I said before when u and Dane said that Lesnar could beat anyone in the world up and I said that nobody can beat everyone in the world up.

  39. fedor24

    January 5, 2009 at 8:45 am

    "Fedor is the most overrated fighter in history. " WOW? "The guy thinks he’s god and keeps talking his trash. " I really can't get my head around it. I really wish we could get Fedor into the UFC so we could settle all this nonsense. On the other hand, if he were in the UFC we would never see him fight AA or Barnett in 2009. It would almost be worth it to show some of these UFC only fans that maybe there are great fighters out there beyond the UFC and Dana White's little fantasy world. But that would hurt Affliction and I would rather see competition between promotions. The UFC is not big enough for ALL the best fighters in the world. MOST of the best talent is in the UFC now. MMA is bigger than the UFC. Roy put it well. Steve is on point to. Tim also agrees Fedor is the best hvywt today. I just feel bad that some UFC fans cannot see past Zuffa and enjoy the high level mma fighters that go out and compete just as hard and well as their UFC counterparts. Maybe one day we will get to see some co-promoted superfights with the UFC but only if guys like Fedor and AA don't bow down to Dana. I love mma. I love the UFC. I don't have to defend Fedor. His record says it all. Happy New Year guys!!

  40. steve

    January 5, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Well put Fedor24.

  41. Ryan S

    January 5, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    David, I agree and disagree. I agree with you about GSP. Everyone says he came back (from his knockout loss to Matt fucking Serra) as a MUCH better fighter, but after that fight, he fought a one dimensional Matt Hughes who was starting his downfall, a Josh Koscheck who tried to standup with GSP, and Jon Fitch, who was an actually high ranked fighter. And Serra again, which took him into the second round, almost the end. He is a great fighter, but I don't think anyone can truely say he is much better, not yet. I do disagree about Fedor. I actually think he lives up to most of the hype, but yeah, some people get crazy and talk shit for him. He is a pretty humble guy though. He is kind of like Kimbo, people create a hype around him, then say he is overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still don't like Kimbo). Tim, you say Steve is hanging on Fedor's nuts. What do you call you with Lesnar? An unhealthy obsession? You always say nothing is personal, but you start name calling. Hmm. I seem to remember you saying that Lesnar is unstoppable.

    And if you are trying to determine the #1 pound for pound fighter, they would have to fight, because pound for pound means just that, that is why the rankings are all weights. How else can you truely believe someone is better without seeing them in combat with eachother?

  42. Tim

    January 5, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Seriously at least i admit to Lesnar's mistakes and that he needs work i play the MMA game and think things through while most of you just point at records and shit which mean nothing honestly except that you havent faced a fighter that can beat you….FEdor as i have admitted before many times as i know Roy can agree is a great fighter and on his way to creating a lasting legacy in MMA..but he is not unbeatable and No lesnar could not beat Anderson Silva as of today..he is still to yound and inexperienced, what is so wrong with me likeing Lesnar just because i have a wrestling background and we both have served in the military and i met him back in 2000 at J Robinsons wrestling camp, so i see a man who i met and admire for walking into a sport with only 2 years of training at the time and dominating top notch talent? say all you want but i will be the first to admit that Lesnar is still Raw but also possesses RAW talent that the HWGHT division has never seen before…We can disagree and say irrational and harse comments back and forth but the bottom line is you like Fedor and i like Lesnar and the difference between the 2 is years of training and experience…not to mention at least i can admit that Lesnar can be beat while Steve over here is saying Fedor cant be beat…and i am not saying shit to make myself look better as when you talk Fedor like you have in such i high respect manner and practiclly licking his balls…i think its safe to say that you dont think he can be beat. I get it dude your hung on his nuts but fucking admit to MMA knowledge my friend that Fedor can be beat but he is not the top p4p fighter in the world today in my opinion…maybe yours so fine…but Ryan S said the only way we will find out is if the top p4p fighters fight…which will never happen so the ranking will change and the speculation will grow but no one knows for sure….Now i will admit that as of now Fedor is the top HWGHT See i am not afraid or to highon Lesnars per say to admit…so stop with the BS. Lesnar is the future of MMA win or lose wether you like it or not so get used to it…and both have already created lasting legacies in MMA more so Fedor has but Lesnar has as well. Bottom line Fedor is number 1 HWGHT and Lesnar is #4 and i am not unhappy one bit i like both fighters i just think FEdor can be beat and everyone on here talks like he is the GOD of MMA..i just think its funny thats all.

  43. Tim

    January 5, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Oh and I dont start the Name Calling…Never…someone always has to start shit….and i did say lesnar is unstoppable but i remember me saying that in a few years 3-5 he could be unstoppable metaphoriclly (cant spell) speaking that is as anyone can lose a fight. And people who need to defend Fedor are stupid bottom line as i dont anyone will disagree that Fedor is a great fighter but i believe the hype is when people start saying shit like no one in the UFC can beat him…etc…and as i said before the UFC has about 80% of the top talent in the world between the WEC and UFC…the other 20 % are under contract with M-1, K-1 Etc…like Fedor, AA, Barnett, Gomi, little Nog, Silva the one that is suspended, etc…Nothing is ever personal with me except when some of you go to the extreme and start key word Start the trash talking..trash talking is alright just dont get personal and call people rash and harsh names or use harsh phrases as it really shows the kind of person you really are someon who will hide behind a computer but when it comes time to throw down they will back down or you just know you can get aways with saying that shit cause no one knows who you really are.

    I need to give credit to Roy and Dane Drebin as they have both over the past taught me and made me realize that there is more to MMA than just the UFC and that Fedor really is a great fighter.

  44. Tim

    January 5, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    And Happy New Years to you all…

  45. Tim

    January 5, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Sorry forgot credit to Tom as well…

  46. David

    January 5, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    First off, I didn't insult any of you guys so why start with that shit anyway? Callin me stupid because I disagree with you? Roy, you say you're a BJ Penn fan but yet you back up GSP more than you do BJ Penn. You may like both but we both know which side you're on. Yeah, I'm biased but it's not excuses. It's the facts. If you have been following BJ Penn, you know that he doesn't train his cardio and it shows as early as the 2nd round. It doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't train hard, most likely you won't win. And no, it doesn't matter if Florian beat Stevenson faster than BJ Penn. Take that and all the statistics and throw them out the window. They both finished him. Just cuz Florian beat Daddy faster doesn't mean that he will dominate BJ Penn. Everyone knows Florian's weakness. A skilled ground guy can get him on his back and it's over. If Florian were to fight Sherk again, everyone here knows Sherk would win.

    Back to Fedor and how I think he's overrated. Look when I say overrated, I'm saying that he shouldn't be the #1 P4P King. I know he's good. He's a talented fighter. But the way everyone hypes him up, it's just ridiculous. He doesn't care about being the best, all he cares about is money. He's like the Floyd Mayweather of MMA except that he really doesn't talk shit, his fans do. Which means, you guys, who overrate him and make him look bad. I'd be a Fedor fan too but honestly I don't want to associate myself to his entourage. I'm a fan of fighters who want to fight the best. I can't believe you are talking up Tim Sylvia right now. Yeah he WAS good, I'm just saying he sucks now. Everyone knew that he sucked after he fought Monsoon. Why do you think Randy came back as a HW? Now you are trying to back him up by saying he's a great HW when he fought Fedor because of his resume? You can talk about resumes when the fighter is in his prime, not when he is on the decline. Let's get the facts straight, I'm not a UFC fan, I'm an MMA fan and I call it like I see it. And no, jump off that Afflictiion vs UFC bandwagon. I don't care about that. Fedor knows he had a chance to fight Randy Couture but turned it down cuz he wanted more money and he wanted to compete in his home country's tournament (which he just lost). Do I think Fedor has the talent and ability to be the P4P king? Yes. The only problem is that if he beats AA, and then goes on to Barnett. What then? He won't go to the UFC and fight their HW's. Whether he can beat them or not, we'll just never know and I think Fedor is happy with that. You guys just need to realize that he doesn't care about fighting the best. He cares about fighting quality fighters that will earn him phat check. To be the P4P king, you need to take out the best in your division and then some. And yes when I say Fedor is overrated, it's because you guys place him in the #1 spot after he beat Tim Sylvia. That leap frogs him over Anderson Silva. Even though Silva's recent fights were against guys who are the top contenders in a thin division, Fedor is in a thin division as well. But Anderson Silva knocked out the UFC and Pride Middleweight champs while Fedor has only taken out Tim Sylvia. To be honest, I would rate Fedor higher than BJ Penn because of his resume but I respect Penn for going after the best. Just think about it

    I'm going to end with my thoughts on Brock Lesnar. Yes, I was horrified when he knocked out Randy Couture. I think Brock will be a great fighter and a great champ because of his work ethic. Yes I am jumping on the Lesnar bandwagon but as of right now, he needs to improve and he knows that. Yes Fedor can submit him and win that fight and yes I think he got a title shot way too early, and yes I know he has a long way to go. But you have to admit, the guy's got potential. Yes, ppl hype him up but not in a P4P king way. They hype him up because of his size and speed. And yes, I'm starting to get sick of Dana White.

    That's my two cents and guys c'mon, we are all MMA fans. You don't have to stoop that low to start insulting each other. Just because I said something about your favorite fighter that pisses you off, doesn't mean that you should just start insulting me. You can talk shit about my boyz BJ Penn, Wanderlei Silva, and Lyoto Machida all you want and I won't stoop that low.

    Til next time, put money on CB Dollaway even though I think he's a jerk, he can make you money.

  47. David

    January 5, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    I do realize that I called someone retarded… so I apologize to that person.

  48. e dub

    January 5, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    mike brown is no champion, just a flash in the pan…can you imagaine how bad he would get beat up if BJ decided to cut an extra 10 pounds?

  49. alex

    January 6, 2009 at 12:33 am

    David I'm the one that you called retarded and I really don't know why. My comments were all objectives and I never said that GSP was a way better fighter than BJ. If you read well I said both fighters are nearly equals and it's hard to determine who is better. To do so I just relied on statistics, and usually statistics don't lie. What did BJ do to prove he deserves to be ahead of GSP? Not much on my opinion. And if you read what I just wrote, I just said ''Not much on MY OPINION''… Unlike you I don't think I have the absolute truth, I just want to prove my point intelligently and with respect!

  50. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 2:26 am

    David…i could not have said it better myself in regards to the BJ Penn,Fedor and Lesnar Statements and i agree about the name calling.

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