Wanderlei picks Thiago Tavares to win, Lube Gate scandal, Keep your head up Bonnar and GSP reigns supreme.
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February 2, 2009 at 4:50 am
i love what Dana said to Bonnar at the end.. Your like One of my fucking kids, you aint going anywere so cheer up kids…
Dana is a badass..
February 2, 2009 at 5:19 am
did you hear what they said about the athletic commisson and gsp lubing up, i wonder if they will fine him for that.bonner fought tuff that guy was good and bonnar had been off for a year tough fight to come back to.
February 2, 2009 at 5:28 am
GSP wont be fined it wasnt his fault and its not his responsiblity to oversee that its his traininers especially when his mind is on the fight…bottom line the Vaseline didnt make BJ quit…sure there might have been some unecessary lubage but not enought to clearly impact the fight…not at all…if anything that trainer needs to be reprimanded and his license taken away or punished but not GSP….he clearly sominated BJ to the point where he had to quit.
February 2, 2009 at 5:34 am
his corner is part of his crew so if its illegal they should have known better and i am sure they did know what they where doing, do i think it would have changed the fight not at all but if its illegal for a reason and you can't do it.
February 2, 2009 at 6:38 am
I agree…but its in no way GSP fault as his focus is on the fight not make sure you dont have any Vaseline on your hands when you touch me…come on GSP isnt the enemy here that guy should get punished for it.
February 2, 2009 at 9:47 am
I agree Tom, it was cool when Dana said to Stephan that he and Forrest are with them til the day they fuckin die. He gives their fight alot of credit for the companies success.
February 2, 2009 at 11:37 am
in fairness it is GSPs resposibility to make sure his stuff is good like to lube and what not. Barry Bonds isnt going to the hall of fame because "he didnt know what they were putting on him" RIGHT. either way i agree it had to influence on the fight but shit like that can cost you gotta be careful especailly when your on top all eyes are watching.
Meant no influence, sorry im typing in a car
February 3, 2009 at 2:40 am
i am hearing now that serra warned bj to watch out for gsp lubing up and they told the nsac to watch him and sure enough he lubed,i don't know how much of this is true but i heard that serra,sherk,miller and other fighters are saying that he was greased up in there fights as well.i am not saying it changed this fight but if they are cheating it needs to be found out.
February 3, 2009 at 3:06 am
I read on yahoo this morning that gsp and rashad evans have both gotten complaints about it, what do they have in common?
February 3, 2009 at 3:14 am
they are cornered by the same guy(greg jackson). I dont know how much of this is true and i dont know how chuck liddell found out so fast. he is the one who told dana and mir about it. serra would have no idea he never had a chance to beat gsp anyways. fight would have probably been the same result but the corners cheating isnt cool.
February 3, 2009 at 3:19 am
You know in all honestly wether they intentionally put vaseline on him or not is not relative, was he so greased up to the point were it was noticeable or was it simply just excess left on the trainers fingers and hands and he simply rubbed the shoulders and chest of GSP as would any other fighter after re applying vaseline to his face between rounds…i honestly dont think it makes that huge of an impact if its simply just a simple amount left on your hands i mean honestly how many other trainers out there re apply vaseline to thier fighters face and than re touch them and rub their shoulders and chest and things…this is simply because its GSP and he has beaten everyone he has faced and they are looking for things…but whats illegal is illegal and the trainer should be reprimanded i guess the question here is when the trainer re applies vaseline to their fighters face are they required to wipe off their hands before touching any other part of their fighter? Is that the law? or is more borderline area as their is no definitive answer just that you cant rub vaseline onto any part other than the face? because that leaves doors wide ope for controversy as in this case….i dont know the laws but i assume if GSP trainer is doing it every time than their must be a fine line between what can and cant be done and whats considered illegal…thats the real question are they required by law to wipe off their hands before they touch any other body part other than te face? i think the answer is no…i hate to say it but its sounds to me that they know the laws and are borderline getting by them, as say you re apply your fighters face with vaseline and your still have a mere shine left on your hands and than you continue to rub their shoulders and chest as not to rub the acess off but to simply get your fighter ready for the next round who says that is wrong? again what are the laws? It surely isnt GSP fault though.
February 3, 2009 at 3:27 am
But again whats illegal is illegal but i think we need more clrafication into the law and what it clearly states.
theres no border line about it, the can't do it.i don't think it changed the out come but the same could be said for steroids, leben roided and lost but its still cheating and thats the point not the out come of the fight.
February 3, 2009 at 3:29 am
February 3, 2009 at 3:36 am
i am not in favor of cheating i am just saying that maybe there is a borderline measure into the law as in what does it actually say, if it says you cant rub vaseline onto any other part of the fighter besides the face, then that leaves options for contriversy as what classifies as putting vaseline on…how much is considered illegal…i mean what if its merely the just the shine left over from putting it onto the face is that illegal cause then nowhere would it state that you must wipe your hands after applying to face before touching your fighter elsewhere. Again i dont know the laws so i am just speculating and throwing out options that you may not consider.
February 3, 2009 at 3:43 am
if it where one fight maybe they made a mistake but it dosn't sound like it.its a shame because gsp is a great fighter and didn't need the grease but they did it anyway and it dosn't lessin the win to me but does make me think they are cheaters.read the article its pretty good and theres more out there, they need to look in to this is all.
February 3, 2009 at 3:47 am
Here is an article that clears it up and the NSAC is completly fine with the response and they see no need to pursue this further…from Yahoo Sports.
The fighters of Greg Jackson’s team are no strangers to ritual inside the octagon.
First there’s the “Jackson nipple tweak,” a bizarre, if amusing, twist of the nipples his fighters often do before fighting, believed to prepare them for intense battle inside the Octagon.
Now, there appears to be a new ritual in Jackson’s camp, and it’s the source of controversy following Georges St. Pierre’s rout of B.J. Penn at Saturday’s UFC 94.
St. Pierre’s cornermen, including Jackson, were at the center of a storm at UFC 94 after officials from the Nevada State Athletic Commission approached them during the fight to investigate allegations that they were applying Vasoline to St. Pierre in between rounds.
Jackson spoke to MMAWeekly.com on Sunday afternoon and said the misunderstanding arose after Phil Nurse, one of St. Pierre’s cornermen, executed a ritual taught by a member of St. Pierre’s team, a “witch doctor” named Steven Friend.
“So in between rounds, (Friend) had this little drill that you do – and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it – he showed Phil, and this is what Georges wanted, so we did that,” Jackson said. “But this is why we were doing it. He rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don’t know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that’s supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that.”
Jackson said St. Pierre has worked with Friend for years, since the French-Canadian began training at Jackson’s academy in Albuquerque, N.M. Jackson says Friend has also worked with Matt Hughes and Randy Couture in preparation for their fights. Friend was featured in the sixth season of “The Ultimate Fighter” as a guest of Hughes.
“The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vasoline on Georges’ eyebrows,” Jackson elaborated. “In between rounds, you always want to put on Vasoline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vasoline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest.
“At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which didn’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vasoline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all.”
Indeed, much of the fight played out with St. Pierre on top of Penn, doling out a vicious ground and pound attack. Jackson said after a little explaining, the commission realized what was going on.
“We told our side of the story, we said didn’t mean to put any grease anywhere,” he said. “If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn’t do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing doesn’t make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wasn’t like we were taking gobs of Vasoline and slathering on his back. They didn’t understand the drill that the witch doctor was having us do, and so it looked that way. It didn’t effect the fight at all.”
As of Sunday night, despite reports to the contrary, no formal complaint has been filed with the NSAC. The popular trainer chalks the whole incident up to fan paranoia.
“The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous,” he said. “You can’t grease somebody up. You just couldn’t do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there’s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win.”
Jackson said he wasn’t aware if St. Pierre’s ritual was related to the infamous “nipple tweak,” as the whole business was “out of his domain.” As long as it made his fighter feel better, he was all for it.
“If it works, we’re going to use it,” he said.
February 3, 2009 at 3:56 am
yeah thats from greg jackson what do you expect him to say, and if you read the article i put up its says the nsac is investigating it. i don't really care to put to much into this just let them look into it and see if it was anything or not.
February 3, 2009 at 3:57 am
And Roy i agree with you, i am just trying to look outside the box on this one.
February 3, 2009 at 4:00 am
i am not to concerned with this i don't think he needed it maybe people are looking into it for more than it was but as long as they check it out and say it was nothing i am fine with it, if they say he was intentionally putting on extra grease than he was cheating.
February 3, 2009 at 4:02 am
Well As of Sunday night, despite reports to the contrary, no formal complaint has been filed with the NSAC. if that has changed so be it but i dont think they did anything wrong per say…as there isnt a law as far as i know that states you must completley wipe off your hands after re-applying vaseline to a fighters face before touching another part of them. if there is let me know but all in all they should just be careful and as i said before they are not the only ones who re apply and then touch another part…they are just watched more closely as its GSP.
February 3, 2009 at 4:03 am
Roy i agree, lets leave it at that and let the experts decide.
February 3, 2009 at 4:09 am
yeah your article says as of sunday, mine is from monday so i beleave they are looking into it and we will just see what happens it was probally nothing but alot of other fighters are complaining about this as well.
February 3, 2009 at 4:36 am
Again the only reason i believe this is becoming a big deal is because its GSP if it were a no name fighter this would be a none issue, they are looking for something to detrimatnt his wins and his career as a fighter, but again whats illegal is illegal but i honestly think theres a fine line to this, the rubbing on the spot of the back and tapping the chest with so called lubage didnt affect the fight at all or any other fight GSP won….i think if there isnt a law already in place that clearly defines whats illegal there needs to be as in after you re-apply vaseline to your fighter face you must wipe your hands free of vaseline before touching any other part of his body…but than again you only have 1 minute between rounds so to physically remove all vaseline completley is impossible as there will always be that shine factor to your hands until you can wipe them off with water and or really spend time to get them wiped off..maybe they can make a law that says only one person can apply vaseline and that person can not touch the fighter after such. i just think there needs to be more clarification into the law, but again i dont know what the law states i am merely assuming and making comments. we will have to wait and see but GSP is not at fault here if anything his trainers should be punished not him.
February 3, 2009 at 3:46 pm
tim who cares if its GSP or not if theres evidence that a fighter has been greasing let a lone a champion in a championship fight it should definelty be looked into and stopped. if this is true its bullshit and someone should get introuble for it. it ashould be prett easy to find out seeing as how many cameras are on them and if they were greasing they are pretty stupid. its a shame GSP's dominate win have to be put into a bad light and somewhat tainted like this. i say grease or not GSP would have beaten him but who's to really say Penn's legs kept sliding down GSp's back who knows if penn could have pulled out a sub or not. bottom line this is a shitty situation. there should be someone who applies the vasoline to the fighters face and then must immediatley leave th cage afterwards without touching anything else. i dont know the rules on applying vasoline but they should clear it up and make it a level playing field for every fighter.
February 4, 2009 at 12:45 pm
george st pierre won….. bj lost……… greasing didnt cause the lost gsp is just a better fighter everywhere if u say the primtime wat the hell was bj saying he was never going to be faster …gsp just outclass him gresing didnt cause bj to lose the stand up battle he is just mnot as good as gsp
February 4, 2009 at 12:50 pm
i agree with you jeff but the investigation still is going to happen no matter how much everyone loves GSP you cant get away with that stuff. i doubt it was GSP's fault but hughes, serra, and mayhem are all comming forward saying that they think he was greased when they faught him too. i hope it doesnt take away any of his wins but they need to be more careful and check to make sure nobody is greasing plain and simple.
June 10, 2009 at 2:00 am
# tom Says:
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Dana is a badass..
yeah dana is cool on that "you and griffin are with me until the end of time", thats cause the thing that put the UFC on the map was the fight of the first season of ultimate fighter, it was griffin vs bonnar and the winner had a 6figure contract with the ufc and that was in my opinion the best fight in the ufc, they both gave their hearts out, and after that dana was so happy with the fight and the crowd went crazy that he gave a contract to both fighters and from that day, the UFC started rising like crazy
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