This video poses the question, Is Fedor Emelianenko the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time? He is 7-0 against former and current UFC champions.
Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman …. who else?
January 26, 2009 at 5:28 am
UFC 12, February 7, 1997 Mark Coleman. [beat by FEDOR]
UFC 14, July 27, 1997 Maurice Smith.
Ultimate Japan, December 21, 1997, Randy Couture.
UFC 20, May 7, 1999 Bas Rutten.
UFC 23, November 19, 1999 Kevin Randleman. [beat by Fedor]
UFC 28, November 17, 2000 Randy Couture.
UFC 36, March 22, 2002 Josh Barnett. [Fedors next victim]
UFC 39, September 27, 2002 Ricco Rodriguez.
UFC 41, February 28, 2003 Tim Sylvia. [beat by FEDOR]
UFC 48, June 19, 2004 Frank Mir.
UFC 51, February 5, 2005 Andrei Arlovski. [beat by FEDOR]
UFC 59, April 15, 2006 Tim Sylvia.
UFC 68, March 3, 2007, Randy Couture.
UFC 81, Feb 2, 2008 “Minotauro” Nogueira. [beat by FEDOR twice]
UFC 91, November 15, 2008, Brock Lesnar.
UFC 92, December 27 2009, Frank Mir.
January 26, 2009 at 5:29 am
great video cage, if there are any douters left please watch the video and see what the fighters themselves say.
January 26, 2009 at 5:40 am
so thets see
m smith to old and probally retired but even at his best would not beat fedor
again retired said himself fedor is the best he ever saw
couture would be nice but at this point migh not mean much and i see fedor winning
barnett next on the list
ricco has had some good moments but inconsistant and fedor would win
mir no problem- i know alot of people are on him right now but thats see how he does in his next 2 fights i don't think he will beat another top hw and not fedor
that leaves lesnar again thats see how he does in his next few fights i see him beating mir bit that dosn't tell me alot i want to see who he fights after that hopefully carwin or gonzaga.i think fedor beats him now maybe in a couple years we will see how good he is
Shogun of Harlem
January 26, 2009 at 6:26 am
I dont see anyone right now that can beat Fedor. There is noone in the UFC heavyweight division that can beat him. I knew he would beat AA. I would like to see him fight Josh Barnett. Barnett's outcome would be the same as AA. Fedor will knock him out in the first round. Fedor is truely the last emperor. He is the greatest pound for pound mma fighter of all time. Noone can deny this.
January 26, 2009 at 6:40 am
I deny it….i mean come agian you said greatest p4p fighter of all time…dude there have been some awesome fighters throught all time…gracie, shamrock, severn, Couture, etc…that statement is heavily debatable but Fedor is the top HWGHT to beat outside the UFC…sorry but until the UFC goes cross promotion they always be considered their own MMA world…and there are some great fighters theat would pose a great threat to Fedor at this time, Lesnar, Gonzaga, Carwin, velasquez, etc…all these men will just get better in time…there will always be talk on who is the best but Fedor is the best at this moment as long as he continues to face top notch competition which there is plenty of per say. AA had that fight i honestly think that if he stayed to his gamplan he would of won the fight, well hopefully a rematch will take place down the road as unlike other fedor fights this one would be intersting to see again….Fedor has weaknesses…only time will tell before someone capitolizes on them…
January 26, 2009 at 6:50 am
LMAO dana is such a ass clone some times man, wat a chump!! hahahaha
January 26, 2009 at 7:01 am
yeah all those awsome fighters say fedor is the best, come on tim there is no hw in the ufc that even deserves to fight with fedor, maybe randy. the rest you named a bunch of unproven rookies who have fought no one and say fedor needs to keep fighting top comp?a silva fought irvin cote and now leites is that the top comp your talking about?of course one day he may lose but so what every one esle has lost why is he held to some other standard that every fight has to be the number one guy is anyone else doing that and show me some one that has a record like his and he is the best hw to ever fight in mma and i could care less about a fake p4p list but you can put him there as well.remember tim aa is prbally the best striker in mma and fedor beat him at his own game we did not even see the ground game if aa ever got fedor in any trouble there is still that. aa knocked out in 3 mins of the 1st round.
January 26, 2009 at 7:06 am
I knew Fedor would not get the praise he is due from this victory. All I hear is "AA was winning the fight before Fedor got lucky". Yes, AA outscored Fedor for the better part of the first round in a 5 round fight. AA did well keeping Fedor at bay until Fedor found the range and timing. 1 punch and it's over for AA. the same thing would happen 10 out of 10 times for AA against Fedor. It's a bad matchup putting AA's chin against Fedors power. Yes Tim Fedor has weaknesses but no one can seem to take advantage of them before fedor finds their weakness and beats them. As far as p4p, I think you give it to the lighter weight class guys. It's a term to generate marketing hype to promote big fights between champions from different weight classes. It is an artificial unscientific measure that sells tickets. In all honesty Fedor would probably be p4p #1 because of the fact he fights guys with over a 30 lb weight advantage. Think about it. p4p is b.s. Fedor will porobably be tested and may well lose the Barnett fight. Josh is that good. Fedor is without a doubt the greatest heavyweight mma has ever seen. Can't argue it honestly.
January 26, 2009 at 7:57 am
I think Couture and Lesnar could beat Fedor at this point. I know that Fedor could submit Brock, but I don't think he could get him to the ground to attempt a sub unless Lesnar took the fitht there. Brock would control the clinch and could probably beat Fedor's head in. Remember he has much heavier hands than AA, and Fedor seemed to be a little rocked before that foolish knee AA attempted. As far as Couture goes, I think even at his age he would be in better shape than Fedor and his overall skill set could cause a lot of problems. Nothing against Fedor, but I was far from impressed when it came to his performance saturday. If Arlovski didn't get cocky and try that knee it may have been a very different outcome.
January 26, 2009 at 8:16 am
There is no doubt Fedor is great and congrats on his victory it was well deserved, but specualation remains that AA looked very good in that fight up and until he threw that knee and again if he didnt throw that knee and stuck to his gameplan who knows if Fedor would of beaten him or vice versa..in my eyes there should be a rematch given how AA fought.
Regarding the Best HWGHT, well thats clearly FEdor but as i have said before…the UFC has fighters that could possibly overwelm Fedor…Lesnar as one..never has Fedor faced anyone like him before NEVER and vice versa for Lesnar…that would be a great fight but it will never happen…Barnett vs Fedor should happen although they are friends so i dont know how that is going to work…than who else should Fedor face that he can…i mean the the best up and coming HWGHTS are in the UFC….so he wont be able to test his skills vs theirs….to be the best you have to continue to beat the best and that goes for all up and comers who have talent…Records mean shit my friends and althoug htheir impressive guys like Lesnar, Carwin may be green to the sport but that doesnt mean they dont pose a serious threat to Fedor or any other fighter….Fedor is the best HGHWT but he needs to continue to face top notch competition that he can…the guy is 32 and probably will not be fighting in 10 years….so he has only about 10-15 fights left if that..where as guys like Jeremy have fought over 100 fights and won 80 of them….you know who i am talking about…where is his legendary status..in my eyes he is more deserving upon a legen status than Fedor is…the man has been tested over 100 times in MMA and has won 80 of them…that shows guts and glory and perseverance and the will to win….if your going to talk records than clearly Fedors isnt the best at 29-1 when there are guys out there who have more wins than Fedor has fights. not taking anything away from him either but dont talk records talk good match ups and fights.
January 26, 2009 at 8:29 am
yeah horn is a legend and where did those fights take place tim? not in th eudc they where in very small shows. fedor's wins in the big show.i love how people keep saying if aa did this or that he LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND and at his own game fedor never even really tried to get it to the ground so to all the what if people what if aa didn't throw that knee and kept winning the stand up than fedor would have taken him to the ground and eneded it there.
January 26, 2009 at 8:32 am
carwin? he is 35 yrs old and has fought NO ONE, please bring up people that matter. maybe if he beats some one than bring him up.i like randy and he would deserve a fight for all he has done but come on he would not do that well.there is nobody in the ufc worth fighting and there is up and comers everywhere and there not in the ufc only.
January 26, 2009 at 8:34 am
i am not a p4p guy but if you guys want to bring it up look at fedor fighting people that out weigh him constantly and aa had a huge size advantage like most people fedor fights and look at the other people on that p4p list and look at fedor who has beaten everyone he has fought, bj gsp and a.silva can not say that.
January 26, 2009 at 8:43 am
We all have known for a while that Fedor is the real deal, that been said theres still some guys he has yet to fight.
If you put him against all the Heavyweight champions from other promotions he wouls wipe the floor with most.
I honestly believe (and feel free to laugh at me) Brock Lesnar could beat him. Brock is the strongest man in MMA by a long way and i think Fedor is not strong enough to take him down and also lacks the strength to defend his take downs, Lesnar is relentless when he has a fighter on his back as we saw in the Mir fight aswell as the Couture fight, and i i dont think anyone could prevent been taken down by Lesnar.
Dont want to take anything away from Fedor at all, he has proved over the last 6 years or so that he is one of the greatest MMA fighters this world has ever, or is likely ever to see.
January 26, 2009 at 8:59 am
Fedor fought in small shows and he also fought no bodies too…but im not getting into that…Fedor is great fighter and a legend but your right there will always be somebody better than you and their are always up and comers everywhere and the UFC is stacked full of talent…and i agree Luke i believe out of everone right now Lesnar has the ability to beat Fedor and funny thing is and please laugh all you want is Lesnar is only getting better and better and strongerm faster and more confortable as well…..all i will say is that fight poses some interesting questions for both fighters if it were to happen and would be very intresting to see…but i dont think that will happen at least anytime soon…definetly not for another 3 years as Lesnar is unders contract and so is Fedor.
January 26, 2009 at 9:04 am
Dont get the wrong impression Fedor proved himself to me by beating AA but i also saw that Fedor could be beat and AA had that fight as it appeared to be in his favor until that moment….i wouldnt mind seeing a rematch but obviously not because i think AA got ripped but because it was a good fight and AA was pushing Fedor…bottom line Fedor is the best HWGHT and he is the man to beat….but unfortunetly there still will be questions becuase of all the up and comers…out there who could very well dominate Fedor.
January 26, 2009 at 9:33 am
fedor fought in rings,pride,and affliction and maybe one in bodog.he fought nobodies?not as many as horn who's career has been in the small shows.dan severn has close to 100 fights should we say he is more of a legend than fedor.
whats to question tim, he is the best he has answered all the questions already this is all just the icing on top of a great career.its lesnar and the ufc hw's that have alot of questions in there game.unfortunatly no matter what fedor does the haters will hate.your right about lesnar no way would he fight fedor right now he needs about 3 more years just to have a prayer and maybe fedor will retire than lesnar will call him out.
January 26, 2009 at 9:44 am
dude buddy…wheres the love…i said Fedor is the best man, i just said that he has fought some nobodies but i am sorry Dan and Jeremy have 100 fights a peice and fedor has 31 and your going to tell me that Fedor is more of a legend than they are in MMA strictly because he has fought in the Pride and Affliction and mybe Bodog? and has 29 convincing wins under him…sorry man but in my opinon if Fedor is a legen so are they…and i was basing this upon on some go strictly upon records and i am was pointing out that Fedor doesnt have the best record if your taking that route. Seriously at this given moment Lesnar would be a threat to Fedor….and definetly in 3 years he could, could kill Fedor…but lets see how the new age of MMA fighters next fights go…Fedor is a legend but he is on the edge of extinction.
January 26, 2009 at 9:47 am
Lesnar may not kill Fedor but would pose a great threat…but he has a long way to go to develope still…but thats the scarry part…
January 26, 2009 at 9:57 am
lol theres alway love tim, but please dan and horn are no where near fedor they would tell you that, they are great legends but when i say small shows i mean really small and dan is fighting bums and guys not close to his weight horn i have alot of respect for he fights at any weight but again its mostly small shows and neither one of them went 29-1. lesnar is dangerous but fedor could kill him like you say in 3 years maybe lesnar will be the better one but he still has to do it where fedor already has.
January 26, 2009 at 10:37 am
tim you are full of shit man… fedor is the best of all timeno fuckin doubt.. you are probably a memeber of dana white s fan club..
January 26, 2009 at 10:53 am
Just curious tim how long have you been watching MMa because Ive been watching since the very first UfC , and even though Ken Shamrock , Royce Gracie, Maurice Smith and so on were all great fighter The sport had not developed into what it is now , fighters were not well rounded in all disciplines , Fedor is a Legend and Lesnar would never come close to becominig the type of fighter Fedor is . obviously you never followed Pride so you would'nt know that . you just dont want to give him the credit but that's ok because his record speaks for itself. as far as him fighting Lesnar I hope it never happens Lesnar is just a draw and just happened to get a lucky shot at the title.
January 26, 2009 at 11:13 am
Andre i agree with you. I have noticed a couple of things when it comes to MMA. The UFC has gotten elitist. The fans think that if you are in the UFC that you have arrived. The UFC fans will not give any fighter from any organization any credit unless they fight with the UFC. I can see why many fighters choose not to sign with the UFC and why many fighters leave as well. Dana White doesnt want to pay his fighters anything.
I remember when Dana white talked all his mess about Pride.
If UFC is so wonderful and they have the best fighters why did Liddel go to Pride and get punished by Rampage.
Fedor destroyed Silvia and beat AA
Some people will never give credit where credit is due. I am sure there were haters out there that complained that Fedor should have beaten Tim Silvia in 10 seconds instead or 34 seconds.
As far as Lesner or Coulture beating Fedor now, give me a break. the Fedor haters need to come back to reality.
January 26, 2009 at 11:27 am
Couldn't say it any better myself shogun. Some UFC fans are impossible to reason with.
January 26, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Fedor is the best heavyweight all-time. Untill he is defeated he will be the best heavyweight today.
January 26, 2009 at 12:29 pm
the ufc better watch out. their next few ppvs after the penn gsp fight look like shit. there main events or jokes. i would NEVER pay 50 bucks to see a rampage vs jardine main event.
If affliction continues to put on shows every 4 or 5 months with stacked cards then they will do well. This past saturday night had a great card.
Having said that I do think that the cage would pose more problems for fedor than the ring. I think that fedor could take lesnar or coutore in the ring but I think it could be a complete different story in a cage. When an animal like lesnar takes you down and pins you up against a cage it's nearly impossible to get up, even for Fedor. But I could be wrong and because of dana we will probably never find out.
January 26, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Thanks for the response shogun , i mean what more does a fighter have to do in order for people to recognize how great of a fighter he is his record is'n the most surprising thing there are alot of fighters with 30 fights or more, whats very meaningful here is the fighters he has disposed of, great fighters like Noguera , Randellman , Coleman . Heath Hearing the list is long and all in there prime come on we all know that in pride They had an open weight tournament sometimes fighters would fight out of there weight and sometimes fight more than once . what people fail to realize is that Pride had some of the best fighters from around the world .
January 26, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Honestly with all due respect i have praised Fedor since the day that Roy turned me around on him and gave me some insight into who Fedor is. So credit is due again i presume to all you retards out there who cant read between the line as i have said before Fedor is the best HWGHT out there…my point is that i think Lesnar would pose a serious threat to him now and to all you people who think Fedor would walk right through him please explain….also how is lesnar just a draw? the man is a far supberb athleter than most and all MMA fighters and definetly Fedor…overall athletic ability Fedor can not touch and no matter what you say for any of you who the difference between skill and athletic ability you will understand if not than your just to hung on Fedors nuts to understand that Fedor has great skill and athletic ability but none near the caliber of Lesnar and its his overal athletic ability and wrestling base that makes him so damn dangerous…if you can see that than your full of shit. i have admitted before right now Fedor would beat LEsnar but i am not saying lesnar wouldnt pose a threat tohim now…the great part is that Lesnar is getting better and learning and developing new skills daily and thats scarry shit for a man of his size that poseses his athletic ability but he has only been training MMA for 3 years where FEdor has like what 15 at least so you cant compare at this moment skill wise but if you compare athletic ability its Lesnar by far and thats why i never count him out nor would i think anyone would walk right over him even Fedor….then man is great and he has nothing left to prove in my eyes based upon his last fight for me…but there is always someone better than you.
January 26, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Now i hate to say it but Fedor did not creat MMA nor was he around for the begining of this sport….the UFC is the one no matter how bad you dislike Dana made MMA what it is today…without the UFC there would be now Pride or AFfliction being able to promote in different venues around the world…the UFC spent time and money developing not only their company but the sport as a whole and its fighters like Severn, Shamrock, Gracie that put this sport on the map…wether at the time their where other promotions out there or not the UFC created the promotion ablility of MMA. Now i agree some of the best fighters came from pride but pride was huge and look what happend to them the UFC bought them…so basically put if you become a threat to the UFC they will knock you down and if you a low pro then they dont give a shit about you…fighters will come and go…pay is the major issue and i am sure Dana isnt the best to deal with but honestly Affliction can not survive period if they continue to fork out a 3.3 fighter pay plus venue and marketing fees and except to make profits and survive? Affliction has to hope that paperview buys where 250K or more to make a proft and it doesnt sound like thats the case i dont think they broke 120K, honestly where does affliction go from here Fedor vs Barnett than who…i am sorry but if Fedor isnt fighting no one is really going to give a shit except those few fans who will buy all MMA fights…but for the sake of MMA i hope AFfliction survives…i also commend them for trying to pay their fighters big time but there comes a point where have to say its either losing money again or trying to make a name….the ufc did it by word of mouth and paying fighter what they could afford….the UFC pays theri fighters great honestly Couture and LEsnar both made over 2 mil for their last fight ibelieve…and if your top card talent than your making at least 100k per fight with bonus's.
I hope i cleared some shit up for you all who think i am a FEdor hater….FEdor is great…but he can be beat.
January 26, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Oh i also agree with the next UFC fights coming up honestly…i am not paying the money to see Rampage vs Jardine…after that i wil get the Lesnar vs Mir fight but after this saturday there going to be a few dead months per say for the UFC/MMA…AFfliction next card wont be until May or June if there is one…i think i have figured them out a bit…there going to put on shows see where thye stand count their losses and save up capitol through investments for a few month, put on another show market it and do it all over again until they start making profits…its smart but risky..having only 3 or 4 shows a year wont cut it to where the UFC has like 15 a year not counting the ultimate fighter and countdown shows.
January 26, 2009 at 1:02 pm
The UFC is weak on both ends of the spectrum with regards to weight class. They have an extremely weak Heavyweight division right now. When all you have are guys like Lesnar, Couture, Liddell, Mir, etc you're in trouble. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that Fedor would dominate any UFC heavy but I wouldn't put it past Arlovski or Barnett to beat any of the UFC guys either.
Don't get me wrong, the UFC still has the highest number of elite fighters but their faithful fans and president are delusional enough to think that they are the only game in town. When it comes to the lightest and the heaviest, they are hurting, and Dana White knows it. MMA is such a great sport, I just worry that White and friends are on a path to destroy it with their inaccurate assumption that the letters UFC are bigger than the sport itself.
January 26, 2009 at 1:24 pm
"I think Fedor would probably tear Brock up" – Randy Couture after the Lesnar fight
…there you go! Common sense at it's finest.
January 26, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Fedor is just as gifted an athlete as Lesnar. He only lacks Lesnars size. He is faster than Lesnar with his punches and kicks. He has good head movement and footwork. He is incredibly strong naturally(no roids). He has a sambo/judo base which is equal to or better than wrestling. He has a work ethic superior to anyone and has consistently shown superior cardio in all his fights. He allows no distractions from his personal life to interfere with his mma performance. He has dominated every single fighter he has faced in mma. Brock is nothing but a potentially great but very limited fighter right now. Fedor has beaten far more talented and well prepared fighters than lesnar and although anything can happen he would have very little chance short of a big knockout punch of beating fedor. I think the cage would make a difference in Fedors style. Just imagine his gnp on Lesnar pinned against the fence. I just replayed the Lesnar vs Coture fight and with fresh eyes I see why randy thinks Fedor would tear him apart. He looked slow easy to hit and somewhat gassed in the clinch. Carrying all that muscle mass sucks a lot of o2. Like it or not Fedor is king and Affliction will be a real force this year if they can keep putting these high quality cards on. I would rather see 3 or 4 good ppv's from Affliction rather than 10 or 12 mediocre ppv's from the UFC.
January 26, 2009 at 3:18 pm
No! Tim your cool! Sounds like you really know what ur talking about…Good heads up to the people that just talk shit!
January 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Hola! This Dave Guy Knows what he talking about!
That pretty much sums it up!
January 26, 2009 at 4:04 pm
you know i am just saying what i beleave tim nothing against you its just fedor is the best no dout and i see only lesnar in the ufc having any hope at beating him at this point maybe down the road but thats to be seen still lesnar still has some challenges ahead of him to pass before he could be considered worthy to fight fedor.but stick to what you beleave you have been right before .
January 26, 2009 at 6:11 pm
its nice to see a lot of good comments and thoughtfullness in each one and nobody getting defensive and calling names good points on both sides for sure. personally i dont think anyone can put fedor down until someone actually comes close to beating him. brock has had a great begining and i think a fight between them two would be interesting in the future if brock can get his sub defense up and his striking more technical but both fedor and brock havent cleaned out the heavies in their own orgs yet. Fedor still has to get past barnette and possible AA in a rematch. Brock still has to worry about Mir, Gonzaga, Carwin, and Cain.
January 26, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Your right dane, there is still the matter of UFC heavyweight title to be decided and Fedor vs Barnett has been talked about for a few years now and is sure to be a great fight.
I noticed someone put fedor has fought nobodies, i dont believe thats the case but i do believe that he was give alot of tune up fights in PRIDE (he wasn't the only one though. Wanderlei, Cro Cop, and Sakuraba). What im trying to say is PRIDE had their favourites and liked them to remain on top, that been said every legit test Fedor has had he always came out on top. Also when Fedor was fighting guys like Lee Hasdell in RINGS it was because there was not many top guys that were not involved with UFC or PRIDE at that time, i wouldn't call it fighting nobodies or cans, more like earning respect and building a reputation.
January 26, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Best Heavyweight?!?!? Best in the WORLD EVAH! (PERIOD).. People who say Brock's the best is so freakin annoying… God.. Definitely no brains.. and as for the people who say AA was controlling the fight.. yes he was.. but AA had lots of chances because a lot of times fedor was a bit far, perfect for AA because not in Fedor's range but in AA's range. fedor's the best because the first legitimate opportunity he got, he knocked out AA. I thought he would win by submission. never by KO against AA. Just goes to show how dangerous Fedor is EVERYWHERE. He's at the top of the food chain today. face it
January 26, 2009 at 11:50 pm
And as for the Dana White controversy. I exactly know what's gonna happen and is happpening. The only reason Dana White isn't getting Fedor in the UFC is that he knows Fedor will take Brock down. No offense to Brock. He just hasn't proven himself. The Randy Couture fight, even though Randy's one of the best ever, he was what? 44!! His time was bound to come. Randy was even winning at the start. Brock was fuckin gassed out… C'mon… Mir's gonna win.. too much experience and jiu-jitsu and recently, showing an all-around excellent game. The reason why Dana won't get Fedor is that because Fedor's gonna lessen the value of his number one money-maker in the UFC and what businessman would want that right? Dana's probably gonna get Fedor when he's older and slower to show that Brock can beat him. That's exactly what's gonna happen.
January 26, 2009 at 11:53 pm
P.S. Dave's absolutely right.
January 27, 2009 at 12:05 am
i get so irritated with people saying how wonderful brock is. Oh if Fedor came to the UFC brock would take him, whatever. Brock does has skills, but lets not forget all the skills Fedor has as well. Brock is not that much younger than Fedor.
Fedor is 33 and Brock is 31. They way people ooh and awwh about brock you would think he is in his early 20's.
The only people that are building brock up to this hero status are those UFC fans. If brock was not in the UFC the same people that praise him would bash him.
Brock has not proven himself yet. I get tired of people thinking he is unstoppable and a major threat to everyone. when i hear things like that it just reminds me of all those people that speak highly of KIMBO SLICE
January 27, 2009 at 12:14 am
You know guys we keep arguing this so why dont we just save ourselves alot of typing knowing that if it does happen its not gonna be for a while. Fedor has been proven human by several fighters. No one has beaten him but there have been some guys last ALOT longer than they should have. Brock is green, needs some more experience, what he has going for him in physical strength All the skills in the world wont save you from getting manhandled by him. So if, when it does happen Strength vs. Experience which could just cancel each other out and we dcould see one of the most important fights in the history of the sport.
January 27, 2009 at 1:34 am
I didn't read through all the comments. I did notice that alot of people are talking about Brock posing a threat to Fedor. Has anyone mentioned Mir. I truly believe that Mir poses a much greater threat to Fedor than Lesnar does. After the dust settles and Mir is holding up Lesnars belt. I guess that is when we'll here the talk, Mir vs. Fedor. IMHO, that would be the best match-up. Of course, thats if Dana comes down off his pedistal and alllows it…
fedor is by far the best,but brocks ever improving
January 27, 2009 at 1:49 am
I agree with STEVEO and Roy and few others, but i dont think anyone out here has proclaimed Brock Lesnar to be the best HWGHT out there…i sure have not so i dont know where that comment came in. Fedor is the best as of right now. In all due respect most of you obviously do not know the difference between Natural Raw ablities and trained skill…Lesnar has the natural raw abilities…the man has size, Speed, strength, wrestling ability and the ability to do well in every sport he attempts shit the man ran like 4.6 in the NFL for somone of 300lbs for a defenesive end…thats unheard of…..seriously people there is a huge difference between the raw natural ablilities of Lesnar and the trained skill of Fedor or any other fighter out there….if brock had little to no athletic ablitity he wouldnt be able to transition from Wrestling to pro to NFL and to MMA like he has…..im taking nothing away from Fedor but you cant compare the too in regards to overall athletic ability….Fedor has the skill advantage but face it anyone can learn skills but you cant be taught athletic ability either you have it or you dont and i am sorry but no matter what you say if any of you had any common sense to realize the difference…Lesnar is the superb athlete and Fedor is suberb with his skills but combine the natural abilities of Lesnar with Skill and thats something even Fedor can not match…Remember brock is 280lbs and he moves like a lightweight….and whoever said he was gassed early in his fight with Randy is mistaken cause than Randy was gassed too both were breathing heavy….just because your breathing heavy doesnt mean your gassed….its called pacing your breathing fuck its an active sport and they were in the clinch and it takes alot out of you to manuever around like that…anyways i dont need to explain further…The athletic ability and training techniques of brock for a man of his size and caliber is what makes him so dangerous to this sport with only 3 years of training under him….no matter what you all say….i honestly think that Brock would creat massive problems for Fedor….but we there is not point to talk about that as it wont happen for a long time if it ever does….i just want to see how lesnar's career and training goes and i cant wait to see him dismantle Mir….Brock isnt the best HWGHT but he is suretly top 5 in the world today with Fedor at number 1.
January 27, 2009 at 1:58 am
Fedor is The Best. Its that simple.
January 27, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Fedor is the best HW right now. Hands down. You can make an argument for best p4p, at least for this week because what happens to the winner of the BJ Penn / GSP fight? You can make a case for the winner of that fight as well. But who cares about p4p right? Anyway, I don't want to talk about Lesnar vs Fedor. I wanna talk about Fedor vs Barnett or mainly just Josh Barnett. I am disappointed in Barnett man, . I watched him and was impressed in the first round. They should have just ended it there. I couldn't believe it took him well over 5 minutes in the mount. I'll be honest, I don't' know Yvel or his skills but all I know is he doesn't have take down defense. Just watch how Barnett took the guy down. That's not gonna happen to someone who has mediocre takedown defense let alone Fedor. I don't know how Barnett is gonna beat Fedor, they might as well give AA another shot. Barnett's only chance is elbows from the ground and pound because Fedor hasn't been tested against elbows on the ground but even then, Barnett will probably be gassed out and get submitted anyway.
I agree with Tim, some of you need to give the UFC more credit. They were the ones that took this sport and blew it up the way it is now. You can hate the UFC and talk all that trash but at least respect the UFC for what it's done. Yeah they are assholes by putting up free events during affliction events but if you were the head boss, would you do anything different? You are looking at it as a business, and if any of you say you would do it differently, then business may not be the career choice for you. They do it because they feel threatened by Affliction, otherwise they wouldn't are. I liked the last show, it ran smoothly and I plan on buying the next one. Totally different than what Elite XC brought to the table
Lastly, the best fighter of all time? Fedor? I say Gracie. Yeah it was in it's early stages and he probably fought more bums than Fedor. But Gracie made it essential to learn the ground game to have any success MMA. For me, it's Gracie hands down because he made MMA evolve and adapt to his style.
January 27, 2009 at 5:26 pm
fedeor was loosing during min5 fights,bu he won,
rule is – just counts final result,and he is a king to find key to win,he is genius,u cannot take from him,
also his record speaks for itself,
Yes with lesnar will be the same situation,feador will be loosing during fight,but outcome is nown -winner will
be Fedeor,.he will find key,also Lesnar has weak chin.
Couture too old for him,cant get out from losses
Fedeor is and will be # 1-he is legend
January 27, 2009 at 6:37 pm
David for u to say that Gracie was the best FIGHTER of all times is hilarious. Maybe of his time. But not of all times. He got crushed by hughes with ease and his record is 14-3-3 not as good as a lot of u guys think. Gracie was good for his time and he could be considered the pioneer of the sport or the greatest influence in evolving the sport but hios skills arent close to being able to ompete with anyonethese days. So he cant be the bet fighter of all time. LMAO of course Tim thinks there should be a rematch. He is so against Fedor being the bes HW of all times its not even funny. Sorry Tim but Lesnar will never be s good, well rounded or flat out near as good of a fighter as Fedor. Everyone besides a couple ppl believe this and I knew there would be ppl talking shit aout Fedo even after he fucking KOs AA. If he would have stuck to his gameplan he migh have won?? Dude he trains for flying kees and he did that same knee to rothwell in hislast fight if u would have watched that Tim. So thats not going against your gameplan. Stop talking any smack against Fedor b/c he is the best hands down. Also why do u bring up stupid topics like hiow the UFC is the reason MMa is so big? Who gies a hit that has nothing t do with the topic of Fedor being the greatest fighter of all time. Andre u make great points Fedor24 as well. There are proball more in there but overall why r ppl even arguing this? I mean Sylvia straight out sad he just isnt human. That says enough.
January 27, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Amir Sadollah is out of the UFN wtf this is he 2 fight to pull out like wtf
January 28, 2009 at 12:09 am
Gracie is the best i have to laugh. Let all see his record compared to Fedors
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction – Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction – Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka – New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight – Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE – Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 – The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE – Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE – Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kohsaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE – Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE – Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest – Accidental Cut PRIDE – Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE – Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE – Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE – Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 – Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE – Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 – Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania – Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 – Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Cut) PRIDE 23 – Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 – Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings – World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings – World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings – World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings – 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings – World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Rings Russia – Russia vs Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kohsaka TKO (Cut) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings – Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings – Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Kazushi Sakuraba Decision (Unanimous) K-1 HERO's – Dynamite!! USA 6/2/2007 3 5:00
Loss Matt Hughes TKO (Punches) UFC 60 – Hughes vs. Gracie 5/27/2006 1 4:39
Draw Hideo Tokoro Draw K-1 – Premium 2005 Dynamite!! 12/31/2005 2 10:00
Win Chad Rowan Submission (Wrist Lock) K-1 – Premium 2004 Dynamite!! 12/31/2004 1 2:13
Draw Hidehiko Yoshida Draw PRIDE – Shockwave 2003 12/31/2003 2 10:00
Loss Kazushi Sakuraba TKO (Corner Stoppage) PRIDE Grand Prix 2000 – Finals 5/1/2000 6 15:00
Win Nobuhiko Takada Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE Grand Prix 2000 – Opening Round 1/30/2000 1 15:00
Draw Ken Shamrock Draw UFC 5 – The Return of the Beast 4/7/1995 1 36:00
Win Dan Severn Submission (Triangle Choke) UFC 4 – Revenge of the Warriors 12/16/1994 1 15:49
Win Keith Hackney Submission (Armlock) UFC 4 – Revenge of the Warriors 12/16/1994 1 5:32
Win Ron van Clief Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 4 – Revenge of the Warriors 12/16/1994 1 3:59
Loss Harold Howard TKO (Towel Thrown at Start of Match) UFC 3 – The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 0:00
Win Kimo Leopoldo Submission (Armlock) UFC 3 – The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:40
Win Patrick Smith Submission (Strikes) UFC 2 – No Way Out 3/11/1994 1 1:17
Win Remco Pardoel Submission (Lapel Choke) UFC 2 – No Way Out 3/11/1994 1 1:31
Win Jason Delucia Submission (Armlock) UFC 2 – No Way Out 3/11/1994 1 1:07
Win Minoki Ichihara Submission (Lapel Choke) UFC 2 – No Way Out 3/11/1994 1 5:08
Win Gerard Gordeau Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 1 – The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 1:44
Win Ken Shamrock Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 1 – The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 0:57
Win Art Jimmerson Submission UFC 1 – The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 2:11
January 28, 2009 at 1:41 am
Gracie was good for his time? The guy revolutionized the sport. He changed MMA and put BJJ on the map. To survive in MMA, you must know how to defend submissions. After Fedor is retired, what can you say he brought to the sport? Some good matches here and there and he was great in his time, but he didn't make any changes to MMA. You can sit there and talk all day about records but it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it's what you brought to the sport. Even if you look at Gracie's record it's still stellar. Remember that this guy fought in tournaments and one loss was due to an injury in the previous fight. The next loss, was an unlimited round bout in which he fought for 90 minutes. 90 minutes man! And yeah he did lose to Matt Hughes and there's no excuse for that. For those of you who don't take any type of martial arts, you really can't appreciate what he has done. I thought the style I was taking was the best until Gracie put BJJ on the map. He shook up the world of martial arts and if you didn't take martial arts at the time, you wouldn't know what I'm talking about. The guy started a legacy and he will be talked about more than any other fighter in the history of MMA. Even now, a gracie trained fighter gets a lot of props and respect even before stepping into the ring and we have seen a lot of good gracie BJJ fighters.
Sorry guys, but your Fedor high is really clouding your minds or maybe we just think differently. Look, I like Fedor and I give respect when it's due but some of you guys are so high that you choose to turn the other cheek when something can hurt Fedor's reputation. Some of you are so biased that your judgement is off, at least in my opinion. I tell you that Gracie is the best fighter of all time because he took MMA to an all new level. And you come back with records. After Fedor retires, do you think everyone is gonna make it essential to defend against sambo or even fear sambo?
Maybe we just think differently. To me, Gracie will always be the best because of how he affected my life and changed my way of thinking in martial arts. For some of you, Fedor may have changed your life by winning everytime you cheered for him. Either way, you won't be able to change my mind.
It also annoys me that you guys are hardcore Fedor fans that you write off other Fedor fans like Tim and me. Tim has repeatedly posted that he is a Fedor fan but he's trying to point out some things that Hardcore Fedor fans choose not to see. So save everyone some headache and look things from an unbiased perspective. That doesn't mean that you can't show off your fanhood but don't look stupid doing it
January 28, 2009 at 2:11 am
daivd, garcie is a legend and a pioneer in the sport and was the best of his time but the best ever is fedor and its not fedor fans saying this its just about ever fighter and everyone involved in the sport watch the video, do you think all the experts are wrong?
January 28, 2009 at 2:42 am
From watching both Affliction and UFC fighters, as much as I think Fedor is the top right now, I do not believe he is unbeatable.
Don't get me wrong, the dude is sick in his calm demeanor in his fights and having come form years of full contact martial arts experience..that is half the game right there.
AA got over zealous and got KTFO for it. Did not keep his head and continue to pepper Fedor with punches. The kick did hurt Fedor but I don't think the punches did (as much anyways). The flying knee…come on Andrei..you deserved to get your head smashed for that mistake.
Fedor for me, is the top HW. The great thing about this sport is that strange things can happen in ANY fight. But keeping your head and mind calm during a fight helps reduce stupid mistakes.
I will not shout out Fedor will smash all, but I would like to see him take on the other UFC HWs whether to humble them or to finally show everyone, UFC / Fedor fans how things stack in the HW rankings finally would be cool.
Every fighter has a weakness, it is the true champion who knows how to take advantage of it to win.
January 28, 2009 at 2:47 am
everyone is beatable he is just the least beatable
January 28, 2009 at 5:17 am
Steve, Dude i am not against Fedor being the best HGHWT, obviously you didnt read my posts cause you would of read that i said many times that Fedor is the best Today….and i agree Gracie was the best of his time and is a legend.
January 28, 2009 at 5:21 am
January 28, 2009 at 5:43 am
Roy i agree i couldnt have said it better myself…and David i understand where your coming from as the only thing Fedor has given to MMA is his unique ability to such a dominant force but ultimetly he hasnt truly given anything to the sport such as the likes of Gracie, Severn, Shamrock etc… the founding fathers of MMA…but than again its not far to compare them as they created the MMA faction and laid the basics for what it is today and fighters like Fedor are using that to their advantage and grwoing with the sport.
on another note i would like to see a rematch of Fedor and AA due to the fact that until that knee which was not in AA game plan per his own comments, he had a great chance of beating Fedor and if that knee was never thrown and Fedor was backed into the corner..what would of happend is the question and MMA fans like me are taking nothing away from Fedor has he beat AA convincingly but its intriguining to see what would of happend if AA stayed wiht his game plan…thats all i am saying in that regard….as its not like he beat AA in 36 seconds where as nobody would care to see that rematch…3mintutes or not AA was haning with him and made a mistake and got caught…there are question to remain and with questions come rematches….
January 28, 2009 at 6:02 am
than he should rematch cro cop , fujita ,arona,babalu because they all gave him a better fight than aa.i see what you are saying and i would like to see a rematch with aa as well but shcilt gave him a way harder fight than aa and so what if aa dominated him for 2 rounds and got knocked out. there is no what ifs only what happened what if aa was winning so fedor took him to the ground and killed him.theres not much question in this fight i have rewatched it numerus times and alot of those shots did not really land and the front push kick did no damage aa was winning the stand up but not by alot and did no real damage at all.
January 28, 2009 at 6:16 am
I think that shoney carter is the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
liten up guys. I'm a fedor fan but he will get beat one of these days.
January 28, 2009 at 6:26 am
Dude it was just a suggestion…i woudnt mind seeing AA vs Fedor 2 thats all. Fedor beat him bottom line, my point is i wouldnt mind seeing them fight again as i think AA was onto something…thats all.
January 28, 2009 at 6:40 am
no i get i would like to see it as well, but there all on to something intell they lose.
January 28, 2009 at 6:52 am
in fairness above when comparing gracie and fedor, when is the last time fedor faught more than once in one night? against anyone regardless or style or training wiht no prep time on your opponent. Well Gracie did all that, Im not saying fedors' not a great fighter, but its two different animals. Keep in mind the rules have changed quite a bit since gracie was in his prime as well. cage grabbing, kicking in the head was legal and werent the first few ufcs bare knuckle? been a while since ive seen them.
January 28, 2009 at 7:04 am
it is amazing what garcia did steveo, but half those guys he fought where not even athletes and they had more to fear not knowing his style than him not knowing theres.it is not even the same thing those where fights this is now a sport alot of fighters today would never even enter a tournement like that props to gracie but there is no point in comparing the two.
January 28, 2009 at 7:13 am
personally i would like to see the ufc go back and maybe do a tournament next time a belt opens up or something maybe the GP like pride used to do. their are plenty of good fighters out there that they could do it. I would love to see it.
January 28, 2009 at 8:11 am
Dave and Tim are both Fedor fans. He is not there favorite but they enjoy watching him fight. The one thing I think Fedor will be remembered for over time is how he combined his mma skills. He is the best "chain" fighter in mma. Gracie was an innovator only because he applied a style of fighting most of his competition had never seen before. Yes he did introduce bjj to the mma world but I was around when the Gracies were on the top. The refused to train americans in bjj. They kept as much of their knowledge hidden as possible to continue their dominance. They were not excactly the benevolent providers of bjj tactics that they are being credited with now. Royce had a great run. On his best day he could not hang with any of the top talent now. He had NO standup. Give him credit for helping to shape the sport at the very beginning but he is not the best fighter of all time. Fedor is a man before his time. Like Jack Johnson in boxing he was so much better at everything that he dominated. fedor's is very good at every aspect of mma. His power is top level. His speed is very fast for a heavy. His subs and sub defense are top level. his takedowns and takedown defense are elite. His conditioning is superior every time out. His training is old school tough and his mental control is computer like. He is the first guy to put ALL the great mma skills together with equal competence and win every fight he is put in over a very long period of time. No other heavy has his skills or his natural ability. That said he will lose one day. Until that day comes, I can't really give any credence to the folks who think he is overrated. After he loses we will see what happens in his following bouts. The Fedor haters give all the other contenders credit for losing and no credit fedor winning. Most of the top fighters out there consider him the best mma fighter regardless of division in the world. These are guys that actually fight for a living. I would love to see a heavyweight tournament involving the best 8 heavys in the world. Just ask Dana to make it happen.
January 28, 2009 at 8:36 am
I agree with what you are all saying. I don't have a problem with people feeling that Fedor is the best of all time. Like roy said, you can't compare the two because times were so different. But I wanted to remind everyone what some legends did before Fedor's time. People like Gracie that I truly respect and what he did to revolutionize the sport. In addition, you gotta give him even more creditability because he fought in no weight limit tournaments when he was a buck 70 and in addition you had hardly any rules. But then again, if you say it's not fair to compare the two because the times are so different, then you can't say that someone is the best of all time. Just the best in their time. Now for the title of this post, best HW of all time, Fedor is the best today because they didn't put in weight classes until later and that's a valid discussion.
But when someone says best of all time, you gotta include it when it dated back to when it all started. You can't just look past one of the legends who changed or pioneered the sport of MMA because one person looks unbeatable right now. When Fedor retires, I will re-evaluate everything and decide if Fedor takes that title (at least in my mind) But being the best of all time has to be about more than winning, and it has to be about more than records because records don't tell you everything.
And yes roy, I do think the experts are wrong because being the best of all time is just a matter of opinion. The experts just get paid to do it. If you've ever played any fantasy sports, you would know the experts are wrong 50% of the time, so just because they are experts, doesn't mean that they should decide for you. In the end you decide for yourself.
I'm not a firm believer in getting a rematch right after a loss. You need to earn another shot. In AA's case, I can see how it's valid discussion because Barnett wasn't impressive, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve a title shot. IMO, give Barnett the shot, and if he loses, give AA another shot if theres not another contender in Affliction. However, if you got mmamania.com there's a post there that suggests Affliction hasn't been doing well as far as sales and may have to shut down but who knows. Hopefully it'll be able to pull through
January 28, 2009 at 8:50 am
Fedor24, I see what you are saying but you can't simply say that if you dropped Gracie into the sport today that he wouldn't hang, because times are different. The sport has evolved and surpassed the skills of any of the pioneers. I'm sure most fighters today watched these pioneers compete and implemented the ground game into their style at an early age. If Royce was put in that same position where he was still young, training, and saw that you needed stand up because fighters now had superb takedown defense, then who's to say that he wouldn't have learned the stand up game? It's not fair to say Royce wouldn't have any shot against the fighters today because times were different and the way you prepare for a fight is different.
But that's all I wanted to say about the best of all time discussion so thanks for listening
January 28, 2009 at 9:07 am
good post david i see what your saying, it is a matter of opinion just like p4p to me he is but there are other great fighters worth mentioning up there with him.
January 28, 2009 at 10:54 am
u guys bring up fighting in tournaments but do u realize that it is totally different these days. U cant just fight 3 fights now a days. It is much harder to win just one fight now a days. Back when gracie fought he used technique that others didnt know about. U cant do that these days. Take the old gracie and put him in a tournament with the top guys today in any weight class and he loses. Tim sorry if I jumped all over u but from what i got from ur coment was like fedor was losing and the next fight would be closer and I thought u were kinda putting Fedors performance down. b/c Anderson Silva has lost a couple of rounds and ppl still think he is unbeatable just about. But when fedor is even losing half of a round or even maybe losing 1 minute he wasnt doing good. I just think that the Fedor haters will look for anything to talk crap about him. Not saying ur a hater if u say ur not. I dont know what u think just explaining how I thought u came across to me. Gracie is the BEST pioneer of the sport not best fighter.
January 28, 2009 at 11:09 am
im not saying they would have to fight the tournament all in one day spread it out over a couple of events, have alternates, and do something a little different, imagine if they could have a tournament at lhw right now the names in there. Liddell, Wandi, Rashad, Rampage, Machiada, T Silva, Maybe da spider, forrest and throw in a few others and that would be awesome to watch, and that would draw rating like a mofo knowing you are going to get to watch fighst taht matter rather than watch 4 fights with guys i could care less about. i think it would be awesome
January 28, 2009 at 11:28 am
steveo what your describing is a good idea and thats what they are doing in DREAM. they fight tournament style with about 2-3 months in between events. it would be good if the ufc had Liddell/Rua and Rampage/Jardine in a 4 way tournament for a shot at the title. but you know dana, he'll probably give it to chuck or rampage right away if they win.
January 28, 2009 at 12:01 pm
UFC tournaments. It's impossible to do stateside. No athletic commission would sanction it. Maybe in Japan?? Pride did several grandprixs and K1 has tournaments regularly. Losing the tournament format made the UFC palatable to the powers that be in the states. They wanted rules as close to boxing as possible. It would be awesome to see though.
January 28, 2009 at 3:21 pm
All you guys are debating and not realizing the common sense herte.
1. Fedor has to be consired the best of all time (for now) and has to be considered the best p4p. While he may have been in danger or a fight may have gone the distance, that doesn't matter. he is human and is not going to knock everyone out in the first minute. But the fact is that he has only 1 loss versus 30 wins. And the one loss should not have been a loss, it should have been a no-contest due to an accidental elbow. I am a fan of AA and was rooting for him but how could anyone say he was winning upt to the point he got knockout???It is not like he took him down, attempted a submission, or stuck him with a punch or kick hard. All he did was he was more active…does that mean that he was winning? What exaxtly did he do that had him winning at that point? As far as him getting some tomato cans, everyone does here and there. Are you gonna tell me that even during Chuck's great run or Hughes great run, that evry guy they fought was a top notch guy? I do recall Chuch fighting opponents like Vernon White and Jeremy Horn (Jeremy is good and he has a lot of fights but he has never been an MMA champ. he was much better at submission grappling). Hughes fought twinkletoes twice and Joe Riggs??? So even those two great runs where they each defended their titles time and time again, they got some matches with guys that should not be there. In regards to the p4p argument, how many fighters, with at least 25 fights have 1 or no losses…not many. GSP has lost more, BJ Penn has lost more, Da Spider has lost more…He is the man!
2. Lesnar has only 4 or 5 fights under his belt. he is dangerous and incredibly gifted but he needs to win his next 25 fights before he matched Fedor's record. One thing is to go 4 and 1 in 5 fights…thry going 30 and 1 in 31. That is not easy. And as far as saying that Lesnar or anyone else posses a threat, any fighter poses a threat. Any fighter that steps in the octagon or ring poses a threat. So that is stupid to say that lesnar would pose a threat to Fedor because anyone that steps in the ring does. There have been some major upsets and there will always be.
3. Royce was not the best fighter of all time but he was truly a pioneer in the sport and the face of BJJ that brought it to the world. He was great then because very few people knew of submissions but he would not be that good today. His ground game was not great. it was just that the others knew nothing about it. He never won any BJJ titles and he got put to sleep in a BJJ match against Carlson Gracie fighter Wallid. Pioneer yes, but greatest of all time, absolutely not. I do acknowledge that he also fought at a time when you fought more than once per night if you won but again, for the most part he fought total nobodys. other ken and maybe but I do hesitate to say the second name Dan Severn , who did he fight in the early UFC, which was most of his fights, that made a career of MMA? No-one. he beat nobodys.
January 28, 2009 at 3:27 pm
businessman well said
January 28, 2009 at 6:00 pm
January 28, 2009 at 10:04 pm
that was nice
January 29, 2009 at 2:23 am
Businessman, very good post and I see what you are saying. But you got to give more credit than that. The fight game is very different from what it is now. You say Royce fought nobodies, but that's because Royce beat them all. You can say that no one knew how to defend it before the first tournament, but he won 2 more on top of that and had to withdraw on the other due to injury. After the first tournament, the secret was out but yet he still won 2 more. In addition, fighters aren't hyped up and marketed the way they are now, it's two different time eras. Fighters now will fight a match every 6 months and have time to train and prepare for each fighter. IMO, it was harder for Royce to win those tournaments because after the first, everyone knew him but he didn't know anyone else, . Everyone knew what he was gonna go in there and do, but yet they still couldn't stop the guy. It doesn't matter if he won or didn't win any BJJ titles, we are talking about MMA. If they thought they were superior, why didn't they enter the octagon? For example, Fedor has been the Sambo champ many times except for his loss last year but that doesn't blemish his MMA record. Not to mention he was in a no weight limit tournament in one night. That means nothing to someone like Fedor but for a welterweight?
Look, I understand what you are saying, that he is a great pioneer but absolutely not the best of all time. I'm saying give him more credit than that. You keep going back and telling me that if you were to to drop him in there now, he would lose. Of course, because the game has evolved and Gracie had a lot to do with that. No one will ever do what he did by winning those tournaments in one night more than one time in his career. To win 3 of 4 MMA tournaments where you can punch each other in the stones is just insane. And he lost the other tournament due to an injury in a previous fight. I'm not saying that it's not impossible to do that today. If anyone has a good chance, it's Fedor because he won the Pride tournament and the rules were different and he didn't have to fight it all in one night. Big props to him tho for winning. But that all ends up in the what if category and I don't deal with what if's.
Like I said, it's a matter of your own opinion. But in my mind, what Gracie brought to the world of MMA can never be matched. But to win those tournaments in that fashion, with a big target on your back, with those rules and lack of weight limits, is truly rare and we may never see it happen again.
January 29, 2009 at 2:25 am
lesnar is green but he isnt fighting a japanese speed bump every other fight either. He has been in the ring with Mir, Herring, and Couture. Two ex heavyweight champs and one guy that will fight anyone without hesitation, the only way to solve it is for fedor to come to the ufc and test the waters against the current crop of guys. they will all lose eventually, Sliva, Fedor, Lesnar, Penn, GSP, you cant be champ forever there is always a forrest griffin or matt serra out there waiting to do the unthinkable and with the new generation of fighters being mostly well rounded the divisions will only get tougher. Soon I think the days of long tenured champs will be behind us.
January 29, 2009 at 2:32 am
I forgot to respond to your portion of the Fedor and AA fight. You say that you didn't know how AA was winning the fight before the knockout? The scoring is different for every judge but up until the knockout, AA was winning the round. He landed more punches, cleaner strikes, and was the aggressor. He doesn't have to score takedowns or attempt submissions to be winning the fight. Some judges will score on total damage, and AA never once got caught with a clean hit to where it set him back but Fedor did back up after a few of AA's shots. And yes, he did strike him in the head a few times to push Fedor back and although Fedor did get some hits in before the knockout, it was easy to see that AA was winning the fight. What i'm saying is, if the bell had rung before the knockout, you couldn't say that you would give that round to Fedor.
January 29, 2009 at 2:59 am
the first couple of ufc there where bums fighting for the most part, david you say after the first one they new what he was doing?how by watching one show they would know bjj?even if the went and trained in bjj after that they would not now enough to beat him and there where alot of fighters out there already japan already had pancrase and vale tudo fights in brazil.there where some tough guys and a few real fighters in those events but more like a tough man comp.
January 29, 2009 at 4:47 am
I agree, steve sorry if you took the comment the wrong way but i was implying that AA before he lost might have been on to something….but we will never know but yes Fedor beat him convingly. There were some great posts after mine that i honestly agree with to an extent.
January 29, 2009 at 6:12 am
i would like to see AA get a rematch i dont know if he would win cuz his chin sucks and its a long fight but i think he could put on a better showing and seeing as the only other legit person they ahve for fedor is barnette i think i just might get my wish.
January 29, 2009 at 6:57 am
Thats my point…exactly…thats why i said a rematch….
January 29, 2009 at 7:50 am
if they offered aa a rematch right now i bet he would not take it, he is going to box and if he does good there you might not see him in mma for awhile.i think fedor should fight barnett and aa really should fight gilbert or paul get another win under his belt before trying to face fedor again but i see him trying boxing first and in a rematch maybe lasting longer but end up losing again.
January 29, 2009 at 8:07 am
Sounds good i agree no rematch off the bat..is he really pursuing boxing now? that would be great but kinda hard for an MMA guy to adapt and not want to take it to the ground per say but than again AA never did like going to the ground.
January 29, 2009 at 8:22 am
did u even see AA's latest interview? he says he wants a rematch as soon as possible. i doubt they will give it to him anytime soon tho since they only put on a paperview once every 5 months and they have said a million times barnette is next in line. maybe sometime next year there will be a rematch. in the interim AA will have plenty of time to box all he wants.
January 29, 2009 at 8:27 am
No i never saw that, i think AA knows he could beat Fedor but as well as we all saw AA knows he got caught and Fedor capitilizes. You know who reminds me of Fedor, urijah Faber…i was watching his fight with Jens pulver on WEC last night and damn he comes right at you hits you hard and sneaks in the submission….
January 29, 2009 at 9:12 am
yeah he says he wants the rematch and maybe he does, but his next fight from everything i have heard will be in the boxing ring.
January 31, 2009 at 8:33 am
the only reason he fought nobodies in japan was because he beat every single decent heavyweight outside of the ufc. Herring, schilt, coleman, randleman, cro cop, Nog, hunt. In pride he never lost a single round and ppl can call Hong Man Choi a can or whatever but he put up one of the best fights against the last emperor and looked far more competetive than Tim Sylvia. Anyone who says the arlovski fight was a lucky punch should take a look at chuck liddells career. Sometimes the counter punch strategy is the most effective and everyone knew that arlovski was the more technical striker. Oh and Fedor would destroy Randy in a matter of minutes wherever the fight took place. WAR FEDOR
February 6, 2009 at 12:24 am
I don't think A. silva is the p4p greatest….he keeps on fighting fighters way more smaller and lighter than him. He should be fighting in the light heavyweight division. But fedor is fighting in his natural weight and even fighting fighters heavier than him….i think fedor can fight in the light heavyweight division considering his size and weight.
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