Fight Science the full episode! Featuring MMA fighters Randy Couture, Bas Rutten, Dean Lister and Tito Ortiz.
January 30, 2008 at 9:08 am
This was a pretty good show but you can tell the UFC had a lot of swing in what was said. This must have been taped a while back because Tito and Couture would not tape a show like this now that promotes the UFC all the way through.
January 30, 2008 at 5:27 pm
well the fighters never uttered UFC once. the narrators, however, did on the show. and bas rutten looks in shape for a 40 year old!!! im surprised to see that his body looks the same as it did like 15 years ago.. and wtf, he still has a 6 pack!
February 5, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Is Fight Science: Mixed Martial Arts avaialble for purchase antwhere?
February 12, 2008 at 12:33 am
these science shows is amazing
alot of people who watch (ufc) friday nights,dont know how devastating the different kicks & punches is (including my self).to see the impact of the different things (messured) and the serious damage each of em can do is just crazy
more shows like this plz ;P
February 20, 2008 at 6:24 am
this show is pretty acurate but some facts are wrong, like, the elbows and knees are much much more muay thai-orientated than from kung fu or karate
February 20, 2008 at 6:43 am
also i dont think knowing at what point to jump and at which point to duck makes it a great combination of mind and body, sure they use their mind a lot, but no more than all other martial artist, and definetely not as much as aikido, muay thai, karate or kung fu artists
February 23, 2008 at 9:00 am
Get your story straight tony you fuckin idiot they did say that they borrow the knees and kicks from muay thai. What the fuck are you babbling on about then not using their mind and body as much as all the other martial arts. First of all, all the other martial arts in the world limit you to what you can do in a fight, you cant grapple or wrestle in karate or kung fu and you cant kick or punch in jiu jitsu or wrestling. Its like comparing chess from checkers. MMA definitely comes on top and probably fuck all pure martial artist in the world!
March 11, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Somewhere on this page there's a comment by someone named Angelo. He's retarded. Not all pure martial arts are just striking and/or grappling. All martial arts are just as good as all the others. I've seen modern and old UFC fighters and they aren't nearly as good now as mixed martial artists than they were back in the days of pure artists entering the octagon. Plus, pure martial artists wear clothes and are sportsman-like. You don't get that anymore with these mixed martial arts bastards who think they're the best in the world. I know several people that would destroy any one of those fighters if ever they met in the ring. Mixed martial artists are the jack of all trades and the masters of none. All they know is how to jab and kick and wrestle. They can't even kick well at that. So don't talk about pure martial artists. We're way better than most mixed martial artists. You should be thanking the pure martial artists for UFC anyway because without us, it wouldn't exist. Before you ask why don't they go into the UFC then, it's because they don't want to humiliate themselves by stooping to such a low level. So anyone who thinks like Angelo can take what they think about kung-fu and shove it up their ass.
March 27, 2008 at 11:13 am
too ufc centric.
the music and narration style very americana –
limiting but not totally crap
March 27, 2008 at 11:44 am
May 6, 2008 at 10:00 pm
"I know several people that would destroy any one of those fighters if ever they met in the ring. Mixed martial artists are the jack of all trades and the masters of none."
Sure you do. And you're right, Mixed Martial Artists are the jack of all trades and the master of none, yeah… uhm except for the olympic wrestlers, olympic judokas, NCAA wrestling champions, K-1 world champions (kickboxing), muay thai world champions, San Shou world champions, Russian Sambo World Champions and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champions that compete in the sport.
And the thing is, you can be one of those champions and still not do well at the sport, that's the appeal of MMA, that's why you need to be a jack-of-all-trades, but you in fact do need to be at least a master of one or two to do at least pretty well. That's why it's an exciting sport, that's why people call it a chess match.
"We’re way better than most mixed martial artists."
At your martial art, maybe you're better than the ones who don't train it, yeah. But that's like saying boxers would beat MMA fighters in a boxing match. Of course they would, but MMA fighters would beat them in a MMA match, it's really that simple. No one says, "American Football players suck, they would get absolutely tooled at soccer against the Brazilian national team".
May 17, 2008 at 8:27 am
i completely agree with vin. I mean look at the pure martial artists they are very good in what they do. but let's say we put a judoka against a boxer in boxing rules. What do you think would happen??? Of course the boxer will win!!! And also if we put an MMA fighter in the boxing ring he will loose too but not as bad as the judoka. And I do not know about you Nicholas but I think you do not appreciate realism If you fight on the street you cannot say hey hey stop you are not allowed to hit my face. And MMA fighters ARE better than the others because they can perform better outside their discipline than the pure martial artists. And why would fighting MMA people be so low if they have to train your mind in using more weapons at the same time. Why do you think fighting started in first place? It was to prove yourself over the other person and if fighters like you probably an aikidoka (and I have trained aikido for 4 years) do not want to prove themselves they are not real fighers. And tony when you said about them not using as much mind as the aikidokas and other pure martial artists that is wrong. This is because they think about different things for instance a hold in aikido is very hard to do but if you actually manage that on somebody else then he is definitely going down. So they think how to switch from 1 simpler ground and pound technique to another which is just as hard but very effective. But If you think about it can aikidoka dodge a punch faster than it is thrown? I know I cant and I think that Bruce Lee fans like you should definitely stop posting here because I have done aikido for 4 years and IT DOES NOT WORK MATE!
May 30, 2008 at 12:14 am
just to point out to the guys above really everything that has been said here is very generalised, not every traditional partial artist does akido or karate there are plenty of other marital arts,
to angelo, you really have alot of pent up agression mate maybe you should hit the bag or something you life must suck for you to take such offence to what someone has said over the internet
to nicholas "we're much better than most mixed martial artists" what the hell does that mean? at what downing pints? are you telling me that a karate guy is better at take downs than a mma guy? of course not there are pros and cons of everything
to vin, well you make alot of sense really can't really find fault in what you said.
razr you said "if you fight on the street you cannot say hey hey stop you are not allowed to hit my face" this is true of pretty much every martial art out there but that includes mma, its mentioned in this film; no shots to the nuts, no fish-hooks, no stomping, no eye gouging etc. what your saying is that a karate guy wouldn't be too happy if they got punch full pelt in the face but an mma guy wouldn't be too happy if they do stomped on the head, its the same meat different gravy
just giving me opinion,
p.s. they say two heads are better than one, i think the same goes for martial arts, just try to learn as much as possible, and prepare for every eventuality
May 30, 2008 at 7:04 pm
yes that is true but karate has more rules than mma dummy try understanding what i say the MMA guy is going to be a lot better than the karate one on the street because he is used to getting hit in the face the other 1 is not that is what I am trying to say MMA is not real fighting no way but its more realistic than karate that is for sure and that gives it's advantage…- to rick
May 30, 2008 at 9:43 pm
to razr, i agree that mma does cover a lot more basis than most martial arts on their own, but other martial arts particularly caertain kung fu styles allows pretty much anything to go, but they are still a long way from perfect. i think its a shame with mma is they got rid of the anything goes approach like in the orginal ufcs that way we really could have seen what the 'ultimate' style was once every learn how to cope with the bjj, just out of interest i have nothing against mma in fact i love it and am going to watch ufc in london in about a week, just wanted to join the debate,
May 30, 2008 at 9:45 pm
plus im no dummy comments like that just make me think your a bit of a cock
May 31, 2008 at 5:27 am
It is true i am a bit of a cock and there is no ultimate martial art. You know the old saying you are only as strong as your weakest link and most traditional pure martial arts like taekwondo or wrestling concentrate on one particular thing in MMA you have them combined therefore eliminating the wrestler's disability to throwing punches or the taekwondo guy's disability to wrestle.
You don't know me by the way I say dummy to my friends pretty often I do not really mean it. But what really aggravated me with you is that I said MMA is better because more things are allowed in it then you wrote same meat different guy but no… I think what makes a martial art really good is the more rules you take away from it the more advantage the person gets. In karate if you suddenly were allowed to use elbows and if the restrictions of using elbows were lifted, karate would prove even more useless because they have not trained them before. Whereas the MMA person is going to get even more advantage. What I am saying is you are allowed to use more of your full potential in MMA making you a better fighter compared to a guy that is only used to kicks and has not used his potential on the ground.
June 3, 2008 at 3:58 am
i agree with ya, i just think that traditional martial arts get a bit of a hard time, plus its worth remembering that whithout traditional martial arts there would be no mma, also its worth considering that there are some arts with no rules such as krav maga and other military styles that will be more effective that mma but anyway more to the point i agree with what you are saying
June 13, 2008 at 8:15 am
Yhea, yhea. All I ear is " this is better than that" and things like that. Well there's one thing you need to put in perspective. It's never the art but the artist that does the difference in an actual fight. In fact, a back alley fighter could defeat a kung fu master if he is good at what he does. What I'm saying here is that regardless of the style, a guy who trains for 8 hours, 6 days a week deserve respect for it. And frankly, when you train that much, you just can't get defeated by a guy who does not train this much or have a lot of experience in dealing with an actual opponent. Still, UFC and MMA are the closest commercialised fighting sports to be broadcasted. So, I don't see why some people keep calling a guy that wins big money by training hard and breaking faces a jack of all trades. And honestly, real fighters want one thing from there style "liberty". I believe that MMA is one of the styles that gives the most freedom of action. If you're good at grappling well what do you do, You grapple. Striking?? Ok, just strike and stand on your feet. But one day, you will go down with someone who can do what you can't and there will be your downfall. So, even if you're not the best at an aspect doesn't mean you don't need to train at it, on the contrary, you need to strenghten your weakness. Ho, you kung fu lovers, (I am a hung gar kung fu black belt) Shaolin monks are doing just that all there lives. Trying to overcome there weakness.
So please people, stop trying to know who's pecker is the biggest and just enjoy life without letting any master of any style that a move from another style, that you like using because it works for you, is no good.
Be free. Be alive. Be warriors
June 22, 2008 at 9:42 am
end of the day, if you put an MMA fighter in with any single-styled fighter the chances are he will win..
MMA fighters often have sloppy or scrappy standup but this is no different to most muay thai fighters having pretty weak punches
they win because of their versatility. nuff said
June 26, 2008 at 11:09 am
Fuck me you lot bitch a lot! It's true what they say…Martial Arts causes more arguments than anything else on the planet except for religion.
Why can't everyone just accept that all Martial Arts are good for different things and that those different things aren't particularly better than eachother. For a start most Martial Arts will teach you how to use elbows and/or knees incase you didn't know…some just don't do it as much as others. I did boxing when I was little and I did Karate a while back which I quit to spend more time doing Kung Fu, Ninjutsu and MMA and I have used elbows or knees in all of them barr boxing. Secondly, referring to what I said before…1 style might use something different to another but there is know evidence that different techniques are better than others…it's how good the individual is at using them. If 1 style was superior to any other than they wouldn't still be arguing about it today and also Bruce Lee wouldn't have taken different aspects of his Martial Art from a variety of others (He even did Salsa dancing for fuck sake, just to improve his footwork). I like how they say in this that MMA is better than all the other Martial Arts they've tested yet if you look at the people on the show the MMA fighters are the size of buildings and the Wushu guy from the earlier series is tiny HAHA :P. I love this show but like they say themselves…nothing's perfect and that goes for their methods of testing aswell. Anyway MMA versatality vs a Shaolin Monk…still waiting to see that haha ;P when I see an MMA fighter against a Shaolin Monk I can die happy :D, PEACE!
July 18, 2008 at 2:56 pm
No matter what anyone says i will smash all of you i'm the fuckin best
August 8, 2008 at 5:19 am
You know what fighting really is? Ok, first things first. There is no “best martial art.” Even the most hybrid, unexpected combos of MMA aren’t the supreme style. Whatever, martial art you do; if you master it, you will be as good as any other martial arts practitioners.
Secondly, fighting in real life is not like sporting events. To fight means to live or die. This is the most crucial fact. Secondly, in a fight, there are no rules. If you win, that’s good for you! Cause nobody cares how you won, whether you won fairly or unfairly. In a REAL fight, people only care if you win. Use whatever you like, stones, sand, gravel, chairs, garbage cans, etc… to defeat your opponent.
For MMA and pure martial arts hypocrites: What are you going to do if someone charges at you with a chainsaw and lashes it wildly? NO MARTIAL ART CAN DELFECT OR ELUDE IT.
Overall, when you FIGHT for real, at the end you live or die.
September 5, 2008 at 1:22 am
Ok mixed martial arts is a discipline in which a practitioner will immerse themselves in several "pure" martial arts, learn their techniques, values, and principles, then combine each aspect depending on which they feel is the most effective to complete a fighter in whichever organization they may be fighting in or whoever the may be fighting against.
You cannot enter a fight without first obtaining knowledge regarding what the opposition may bring to the table. Fedor Emelianenko is not a brazilian jiu jitsu practitioner but his training camp extensively learns most aspects of brazilian jiu jitsu in order to find ways to counter whatever a jiu jitsu specialist may throw in the ring or cage ala Noguiera. Some may then in turn believe Sambo succeeds Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as the premiere ground fighting art. But not necessarily so, the fighter simply knows what to expect and can counter accordingly by adapting his signature art. Mixed Martial Artists are usually masters of one art then transcend to learning various aspects of the fight game in order to expect the unexpected.
You're not going to war without obtaining intel on the opposition or else you're likely to be slaughtered in most cases.
And in regards to a real fight? damn what are we talking about? We're discussing mixed martial arts as a SPORT.
It's called SPORTS COMBAT. You know why UFC made the transition to having more rules and regulations? To make it a legitimate sport regulated by a sanctioning body just like boxing. Believe it or not a lot of people generally still view in North America mixed martial arts as human cockfighting.
If you want to fight on the street then anything goes and you could quite possibly throw MMA out the window because theres a BIG DIFFERENCE between SPORT and the STREET. Go learn Krav Maga then if all you intend is to fight on the street. If you want to prove your purest art is SUPERIOR THAN ALL OTHER FIGHTING STYLES then fight an MMAist to prove it. If you solely fight karate vs karate you're only proving that you're superior against others in your own art – if thats all you intend.
September 27, 2008 at 7:39 pm
I have a book I was given about 10 years or so ago, titled "Living the Martial Way", written by USAF Maj Forrest E. Morgan. It's a very enlightening book, and I've read it many many times since.
It defines things like Doctrine, Strategy, and Tactics, and the differences between them, as well as punctures the myth of "modern" martial arts.
Simply put, when one does reliable research, you find that the concept of the Mono stylist in the martial arts has only been around for about 100 years. In reality, the ancient Samurai and Hwarang classes to name a few, constantly added to their skills.
How many times do you hear the old stories of samurai travelling from Ryu to Ryu, picking fights with the masters and students? If the Challenger one, he would be asked to teach, if he lost, he asked to join the Ryu?
Maj. Morgan, shares an experience he had while watching ABC's Wide World of Sports back in the late '70's. they had a match between a Boxer and a Karate Black belt. Maj. Morgan a black belt at th time had aired his opinions in favour of the Black belt, arguing the greater tools that the Black belt had at his disposal.
the Karate man was "a big man and looked pretty strong. But he had a noticeable layer of fat on his large frame, and his gut looked as if it had just finished off a six pack. If you put a beer in his hand he could have passed for one of my buddies."
The Boxer, was "Muscular, Lean and Defined. he was an unknown with a mediocrte record but a professional nonetheless. The Karate man was a competetor on the point tournament system."
To make a long story short, the Boxer beat the Black belt. This led him to a realization, which I think is at the heart of the dispute. The realization was this and i quote.
"That afternoon, I realized what many non-martial artists think about us is true- for all the Hoopla about traing and techniques, most martial artists can't really fight. The training they get isn't necessarily poor, nor the techniques they learn, ineffective. But most martial Artists just aren't trained or conditioned to be fighters." end quote.
he explains the differences in mind set of practictioners as well…
"First there are students who "do" martial art as a hobby or past time. these are the foldks who come to class a couple of nights aa week and usually don't think about their art on the off days except to brag about their progress or complain about their sore muscles."
"Second is the obsessive tournament competitor. He believes that the martial arts are a category of atheletics and that skill in them is measured in tournament victories"
"Third are those that want to find the "true" art of deadly combat and don't want to waist thier time on silly things like Kata, fundamental techniques and courtesies."
Compare that with the mindset and discipline of Masters like Funakoshi, and you see where the lack is. As others have said, there is no "better or best style" and i definately agree. MMA may be more comprehensive in terms of Doctrine and definately in terms of conditioning for endurance and combat, but it is still very much left in the hands of the individual as to who is the better warrior
October 17, 2008 at 5:25 am
ya'll suck monkey dick
October 29, 2008 at 7:39 pm
for anyone out theere living in dartford(england) dartford MMA school is tha best!!!
November 15, 2008 at 5:24 pm
You are a complete idiot. Did you not see that they were comparing the punches and kicks of the mma fighters to those that practice the traditional disciplines? In all cases the mma fighters matched or exceeded their numbers. No, they may not be total masters of any one discipline but they are extremely good at such a variety of disciplines that they are able to completely destroy one dimensional fighters. Angelo is completely right and you don't know anyone that could handle any of those guys.
November 15, 2008 at 7:49 pm
ya nicholas is an ignorant retard.
if you dont like mma get a life and stop surfing mma websites dumbshit
go meditate with budhist monks or something
January 1, 2009 at 12:53 pm
this is really cool show ,, but guys the 3rd part is missing !! bring it back!!
April 28, 2009 at 8:57 am
I've been studying martial arts for a long time now, mostly individual instruction. I've been very fortunate to have several friends who are instructors. The only thing I ever studied in a dojo was Combat Hapkido, and that was for a short time. I respect all Martial Arts. But, that's what they are, is arts. I've spent years soaking up all the knowledge I can from various people. And I have been able to hold my own with black belts. Simply because I have a wide array of things to choose from and am also good at improvising. This is where I feel MMA is superior as a fighting style. You have a bigger arsenal of weapons to draw from. I will say this, though. I am currently working out with my friend who is a Kung Fu instructor in Knoxville. Before I moved back here from NC, I was working out with an ex SEAL that used to fight competition in Kung Fu. In my opinion, Kung Fu is the best thing any fighter can learn to build a foundation on. I have been in a lot of street fights growing up, and have spent a lot of time sparring with seasoned martial artists. And I have never seen anyone with the power and the explosiveness that these two individuals have.
May 7, 2009 at 11:45 pm
May 19, 2009 at 6:03 pm
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May 20, 2009 at 8:47 pm
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