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June 28, 2011 at 5:26 am
It's always a good sign when you have to have your attorney present to make sure you tell the "truth".
June 28, 2011 at 5:29 am
he should have just did the fight if he was so close to making normal levels. by the next day when they collected samples of his urine he might have cleared. i thought he was a good fighters so it sucks he's not going to be in the UFC anymore.
June 28, 2011 at 5:38 am
yeah the sleezy lawyer doesn't help anyone side with nate. its going to be nate's testimony that is quoted all over mma boards anyway. i wonder what happens with all of this if the PAC doesn't suspend him.
June 28, 2011 at 8:39 am
I think people should give Nate the benefit of the doubt. His lawyer was there to make sure he got the technical questions correct. He didn't lie about it, or try to hide the fact. A doctor recommended that he should do it, so blame the doc. Besides Dana has been known to go off half cocked anyway. The truth will always come out in the end, hopefully with Nate back in the UFC.
June 28, 2011 at 9:34 am
Give him the benifit of the doubt are you kidding me this guy is a fraud and a shitty fighter by the way his last few fights will show He is a liar and hormone replacement is just another political term for admitting that he took steroids.
Did GSP have to go this way NO he didnt't he is clean all the time and wins even if boing he still wins.
Nate can go for titles in other orgs other than UFC or stikforce now. good luck
June 28, 2011 at 10:25 am
One of the Bellator guys has already called him out.
June 28, 2011 at 11:02 am
as a MD, here's a couple of points —
1. it's unusual for a 30 year old athlete to suffer from low testosterone at such an early age. usually, we see older age males with low testosterone. one can suspect that if nate used synthetic hormone earlier in his years, this may have affected his biological system and repressed his system from making testosterone naturally later on in life.
2. the treatment of low testosterone is not growth hormone. it is actually testosterone injections. the normal range of testosterone is actually variable and pretty wide. nate should never have out of the ordinary testosterone if these injections were given properly and especially if he had levels checked as periodically as he mentioned.
as a mma fan —
3. the presence of a lawyer makes me believe that somebody is going to get sued — either UFC, his doctors, etc.
4. in the end, it is still nate's responsibility. yes, he is no doctor, but he is an athlete undergoing strict medical testing for steroids and illegal substances. he should still be cognizant of everything that goes into his body and should ask the right questions to the medical staff etc about the treatment's impact on his testing.
June 28, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Nate seems like a good guy, but this is what happens when you put fighters into a situation where they have to cheat to be competitive. Just legalize it.
June 28, 2011 at 1:56 pm
good points derek thanks for clearing all of that up for us because this is a first for me hearing about fighters taking those testosterone treatments. and i agree with you that if this is not illegal in itself and if the PAC doesn't suspend nate, then it would be a clear path to a wrongful termination suit against the ufc.
Kung Fu Panda
June 28, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Being an HR Manager, I don't see where he has a case but it would really depend on the verbiage in his contract. I would imagine that fighters are not UFC employees but sub contracted workers and I am pretty sure that there are clauses that clearly define certain actions that would lead to the termination of a contract. Actions such as fighting in another promotion (I beleive the UFC does not allow any of its fighters to fight elsewhere- they used such as when Lidell fought in Pride but I doubt that they allow this anymore), being arrested and convicted of a crime, speaking negative or in poor taste of the UFC, UFC sponsors, or anything controversial, making the UFC or one of its events look bad during or after a fight, etc.
While Derek makes great points as to why Nate can only blame himself, I still think that Dana's rocky relationship with the Jackson camp lead to this. There have been so many UFC fighters that have been caught using illegal substances or cheating in some form and have not been terminated.
June 29, 2011 at 8:31 am
I agree the Kongo finish was exciting and bizarre but we all have to admit Cheik Congo is lucky to still be in the UFC and he has had some lousy fights in the past with a couple of decent ones. When u check his win-loss ratio it is close to .500 in the ufc and he is weak in many areas. Frank Mir schooled him and does any one believe frank mir will get a title again. He just wins at the luckiest times in the luckiest fashion to stay employed. His best moment was dropping cain a couple of times and going the distance with him while being dominated.
I see Kongo versus Mittrione very soon.
June 29, 2011 at 10:15 am
yeah mikey there legal tons of people take them for legit reasons, probally not nate or any mma fighter would be on them for the right reasons. they even use hgh in other countries for sports injuries alot of pro athletes have this done under the table, tiger woods used hgh so have alot of mma fighters that havn't been caught. honestly look at nate it was almost obvious don't be surprized if gsp is on them too.
June 29, 2011 at 1:34 pm
yeah it doesn't seem right but they are cheating from high school up. its not fair but right now there just isn't any way to test and bust everyone. nate probably was looking for an edge and damn, he blew his chance in the ufc. but i'll bet dana will allow him to fight in strikeforce. i can almost guarantee that's where he'll end up.
i've watched the kongo fight about five times now because it was that bad ass. kongo's eyes rolled back when he fell form both shots but he awoke as soon as he hit the ground. a less experienced ref would have stopped the fight but i think he recovered when he hit the ground. craziest fight i've ever seen. i feel bad for berry because he fought a good fight and just got caught.
June 29, 2011 at 2:45 pm
I don’t see how testosterone treatments can be legal, something about it doesn’t seem right. A lot of fighters are coming out saying they want a ban on allowing this even if it is prescribed by doctors. I agree with that. I can’t believe Nate put himself in this situation because he seems like a pretty stand up guy. I think your right about being subcontracted Kung Fu because I know the UFC is not liable for a lot of benefits to fighters that would probably be required under direct employment.
June 30, 2011 at 12:00 pm
These guys are not using Testosterone because they have naturally low testosterone. They use it so that they have "natural" levels on fight night after a cycle of steroids through their training camp. This is why fights in the UFC are roughly on 3-4 month cycles and not more often like in Pride. They cycle off the roids in time so that they test clean for them on fight night. This kills their natural testosterone levels. Then they supplement with testosterone so that those levels are as high as they can get away with on fight night. They are all doing it. It's only the technical fighters like BJ, Anderson and Machida that don't do this. Almost all the wrestlers are doing this. Their game is based on strength. They have to do it to be competitive. Is it cheating if everybody is doing it? It's not fair to the guys who aren't knowledgeable enough, or don't have enough money to pay for the knowledge to get away with it. These guys need steroids just to recover from training and be close to 100% on fight night. I say even the playing field and just legalize it. The kids out there are going to do them anyway because they work. Keep it illegal for them. Get it out of the shadows and make it safer and more fair for everybody.
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