The guys at ESPN’s MMA Live recaps last Saturdays UFC 100.
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July 16, 2009 at 9:24 am
Brock is a tool!!!
Pee-Tear Griffin, ye
July 16, 2009 at 10:00 am
If mean a tool, as in a powerful, wrecking, Jackhammer….
July 16, 2009 at 10:20 am
no he means as in an idiot.
Brock skill wise is a JOKE, all he does is uses his wrestling background takes people down and pounds on them. be interesting to see what happens when he fights a good stand up Wrestler.
July 16, 2009 at 10:39 am
GSP does the same thing, but doesn't even do it has good as Brock. Why doesn't anyone give that A hole, GSP any shit? GSP just layes on people and barely does anything. Brock, on the other hand has one of the best ground n pound in all of mma, if not the best and brutalizes fighters on the ground. People are just so biase.
July 16, 2009 at 10:48 am
GSP is better all-round, that IS the difference.
GSP IS better than Brock at Takedowns (look at Brock fight with Randy)
i don't like GSP's new way of fighting (always takedowns) but he is still way way better than Brock skillwise and he fights people that are his size not -50lbs lighter (Randy).
Brock has the best GnP in MMA? LMAO go away…. having a massive weight advantage is not skills…. we'll see what happens when he fights Velaquez or Carwin.
July 16, 2009 at 10:58 am
Velasquez sucks and can't finish, barely knew what he was doing on the ground, could've finished 5 times against Kongo, who is a joke off his back. Not to mention his chin is shit, nearly got KO'ed multiple times. Velasquez isn't gonna make it past Carwin, he's gonna fail at the takedown and get KTFO'd. Shane Carwin is the only guy right now that I see knocking Lesnar off the throne, since he can get up off the ground and is about equal in size. Not to mention he can put his opponents to sleep even with a short straight, he hits like a mack truck.
July 16, 2009 at 11:00 am
Don't get me wrong. Brock sometimes does act like a bit of an asshole, but he's a pretty good fighter. He's had 3 wins in a row, over very good, high ranking heavyweights(Mir, Couture and Herring). I can understand if you hate him or something, but give him his props. I hate GSP. I think he's a douche and a boring fighter but, it doesn't mean I won't still give him props for being a really good fighter. That's all i'm sayin.
July 16, 2009 at 11:15 am
I don;t know if GSP is better at takedowns than Brock? I think that Brock's takedown % is better than GSP's takedown %. You should check the stats???
GSP has fought smaller opponents (FYI), he was way bigger than BJ and way bigger than Serra, so thats a completely false statement.
He cant help that he's bigger than everyone else. I can remember a short time ago when Tim Sylvia was bigger than everyone else and we all know he's doin now. So quit making excuses for the heavyweights out there.
And Yes, Brock definitely does have one of the best ground n pound in MMA.
July 16, 2009 at 11:17 am
and is where we disagree.
Mir…. is a joke. (always has been for me)
Randy…. is old (Brock is just a bigger Randy… who isn't as skilled)
Herring….. is a joke, and it took Brock 15 mins to get a decision whereas Fedor destroyed him in less time.
are you serious..i cant believe ur comparing gsp with lesnar..two very different fighters but gsp finally learned to incorporate wrestling into his game plans and it works..remember that the fighters main objective is to win by any means necessary and secondly put on good fights..a fighter is going to protect a victory before risking defeat. lesnar can stand with anyone and fight..remember there are game plans for a reason..not every time is a fighter going to stand and bang it out smart fighters stick to game plans. brock is going to be hard to beat, its not his weight difference that affects fights its mainly his speed, strentgh and body control not to mention he hits pretty damn hard and carwin may be 265 but he is no lesnar 265 walks around at 285 and definetly doesnt have nearly the athletic ability lesnar possess but it would be an interesting match up..one thing i dont lime about carwin is he fights hunch back style rolls his shoulders forward when he fights that is bad stance and technique leaving urself open for alot..
July 16, 2009 at 11:24 am
MAY I STILL REMIND YOU THAT BROCK IS STILL A ROOKIE AND HAS ONLY 2YEARS OF MMA EXPERIENCE HE IS LEARNING AS HE GOES–ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS GAME PLANS—FEDOR ALSO HAD LIKE 20 FIGHTS WHEN HE FOUGHT HERRING–COME ON–DONT MAKE STUPID COMMENTS–FACE IT LESNAR IS A ROOKIE UFC CHAMP A FREAK OF NATURE AND THIS IS FUCKING SCARRY FOR THE MMA WORLD–
July 16, 2009 at 11:30 am
I completely agree, tim… stupid comment
Lesnar has fought better competition than Fedor over his last several fights. Fedor fought one good opponent recently, Arlovski and "The Pitbull's" glass chin. The others were completely, not even in Fedor's class.(Hong man, Coleman, Lindland, hell even Sylvia. We all knew Fedor was goin kick his ass, Tim sucks.
July 16, 2009 at 11:51 am
wow, don't mention GSP and brock in the same sentence, except when you're trying to clarify a point. look at who GSP has fought. he's pretty much cleaned out the welterweight division. and the position at where he is at and the #1 contender position is not even near close. he dominated alves and dominated fitch. for the alves fight, he tore his groin adductor muscle. so get off his nuts and trying to say the fight was boring. brock, on the other hand, is beating a so-so quality of HW competition that just happens to be the best UFC has. i don't think they will ever meet because fedor is such a selfish bastard who doesn't care about his legacy (from his last interview with bas rutten a couple days ago) and doesn't want to come to the ufc. frankly, fedor has to come to realize that he has a big target sign on his back. anderson silva wants a piece of fedor. fedor would completely destroy brock. believe me, the wrestling brock has can't keep fedor down. fedor has arm barred and submitted guys bigger than brock. frankly, i think the only guy that can beat brock right now is shane carwin. maybe cain, but i think cain is too small for brock. cain can probably beat randy couture, frank mir, and nog. bottom line is that brock lesnar is good, but not great. we really haven't seen much of him yet. it's like watching GSP when he was 5-0 and saying he's the GOAT. people need to get off of brock's lesnar. i bet brock can make the 205 weight limit, if all of you nuthuggers got off his nuts.
July 16, 2009 at 11:54 am
Tim sucks? errrrr what? he DOMINATED Nog. (Randy couldn't finish him)
AA glass chin?! 9-4 in the UFC record speaks for itself.
HMC is a good stand up fighter, who would beat Lesnar in a K1.
Truth is no one in the UFC wanted to fight Fedor. (seriously i mean everyone knows Fedor is the best HW and P4P in the world, yet UFC fighters call him out behind there contracts lol. only 1 man had the balls to try force a fight with Fedor and he got blocked by Dana (Randy obv))
Brock a freak of nature? Yes steroids have that effect on you. (but I'm guessing you have no idea how they work so I'll stop on that subject)
I'm sorry but i totally disagree with "Brock has fought better opponents"
Heath is shit on the ground take him down…. fight over.
Randy is old and 50lbs less than Brock, add the fact Randy hadn't fought in over a year and well style match up too, Brock was heavy heavy favourite.
Mir, 12-4, he was dominated by Vera, people saw him look good against Nog and suddenly hes "amazing" again, look talk about people being won over.
only reason "Brock has fought better opponents" i can see is that your UFC nuthuggers who assume UFC has better fighters.
if Fedor beats Josh Barnett….. does he suck too?!
July 16, 2009 at 11:58 am
Fedor cares about 2 things.
#1 money, he wants money so that his Daughter and grandkids never have to suffer like he has.
#2 competing in Sambo. anyone who thinks that UFC will let him compete in that is silly, they won't even let Silva have an expo fight with Roy Jones Jr (boxing)
July 16, 2009 at 12:18 pm
keep hating brock haters. and brock will keep outstriking his opponents like he did to mir, randy, and herring. keep sayin he has no skills and he'll keep tooling people around the ring. u can not like the guy for his attitude thats legitimate but dont doubt his skills and ability it just makes u sound dumb.
July 16, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Mike, Tim dominated Noguiera??? Did you even watch that fight? Sylvia lost that fight. So i dont know what your talking about??? And no Fedor has not fought better competition than Brock recently. Barnett will be his biggest competition in the last couple of years.
AND YES, TIM SUCKS BALLS!
Arlovski has been KO'd a lot of times (FYI), recently by B. Rogers, Fedor, Sylvia, Pedro Rizzo, Ricco and early in his career he got KO'd. So YES, Arlovski does have a glass chin.
Derek, i'm NOT a Brock nuthugger and I dont care if he wins or loses but, it sounds to me that your on the GSP nuthugger wagon.
July 16, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I agree, dane drebin… Thats pretty much exactly what i said in comment #7.
out striking Mir? LOL he didn't out strike Mir…. he was rocked and dazed by Mir with his double knee. Brock has one skill.
Wrestling. clearly you see that? Carwin outstrikes him, his wrestling might be a bit less, but hes WAY better on his Feet. same goes for Carwin.
Wrestlers need dropping from MMA as its not a Martial Arts its a sport, and its unfair to hell in the HW (looking at all the weights name one weight that doesn't have a wrestler in top 5 and i'll bet you can't, many more than 1 in most cases)
July 16, 2009 at 12:25 pm
erm same goes for Cain**
July 16, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Tim lost the fight by a LUCKY sub…. don't wiki fights for Results zack.
GSP nut hugging?
EH? i predicted Alves to beat him. i WANTED Alves to beat him… but yeah ok zack… I'm a GSP nuthugger.
Brock has 2 things.
his stand up…. is OK but its nothing special…
July 16, 2009 at 12:37 pm
What the hell is wiki fights??? I've SEEN all of Arlovski KO loses but, ONE. I heard before that he got KO'd in his first professional fight.
I didn't call you a GSP nuthugger, MIKE, i called derek one. Read carefully, my friend….LOL
How was Nogueira submitting Tim, lucky? Nogueira is one of the best submission heavyweights in the world and Tim sucks on the ground. Have you seen Nogueira fights, he gets his ass kicked for a lil bit than submits the guy. Saying it was luck is ludacris.
July 16, 2009 at 12:43 pm
i know how Nog works… but for a little bit was not how it was in Tim Sylvia's fight, it was 2 rounds and the third he got the sub.
yes, that i miss read… I'm tired and its nearly 4am here.
Nog getting a sub is never luck…. getting opponent to the ground IS luck. normally its via them going to the ground to GnP him.
July 16, 2009 at 12:49 pm
who cares if he's been here 2 years. he is doing more for mma then most fighters have done in their career you people can hate on him for having 4 mma fights and being a champ. but he's bringing more money into ufc which means more money for all the hater ass fighters and more exposure possibly prime time regular broadcast tv who even knows. and i read a post on here earlier about someone saying wrestling is not mma. all the ufc was at first is 1 huge ass dude vs 1 smaller guy who knew a certain fighting style. who cares if wrestling is boring. i know i'd almost rather be knocked out cold then have someone lay on me so i cannot move and pound me out. if you have never been there then you'll never know. all these jank ass people boo when a person lays on top of another person and stops them from inflicting any damage.
July 16, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Yeah, but Nogueira really doesn't have a real good ground n pound, submitting people is really the only way Nogueira can win on the ground.
Yeah, its late here too. I'm goin to sleep, GoodNight All…..
July 16, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I hate Brock. He better enjoy his run while it lasts because guys like Lashley are going to pound on him.
July 16, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Randy is a decent boxer and he got caught by Brock. Dont say that Brock only knows wrestling. He has evovled and i bet you that he can strike and has knock out power in his hands. he outstruck Randy.
July 16, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Randy is ok at best, once he gets in with Fighters like Cain Velaquez and Shane Carwin he's going to get mauled.
what people seem to forget is that Randy couldn't run with with the Light heavyweight talent when it was all in Pride (Dan, Wandy, Shogun, Rampage etc)
Randy is by all accounts a 205lbs that can't cut it at that weight so he moved to a lesser weight (in terms of talent)
there is a reason after all why Randy is 16-9. Randy is awesome for his age and would have been amazing had he started at a younger age or he was younger but being 50lbs lighter than the top HWs hes now always going to be the underdog.
Lesnar outstruck Randy? nah he did well but i thought that fight was 50-50 Brock caught Randy with a big hit, and Randy isn't known for his amazing chin (more glass jaw). as you said Randy is a DECENT boxers… that doesn't mean Brock is a great boxer… it just mean he is even with 50lbs weight advantage.
Mike Is GAY
July 16, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Randy may not have a perfect record….that because he has fought top ranked competition over and over. Unlike Fedor who fights someone good then the next 2 fights are against washed up UFC has beens. Sorry Mike but your fucking stupid. How can you even begin to call Randy just an OK fighter. HAHA Mike your fucking dumb man…every post i read by you i get dumber
July 16, 2009 at 7:16 pm
its that immature dick!
Randy is a TOP fighter…. but against the best in the world he is ok.
comparing p4p to someone who is barely (imho not) in top 5 of HW is dumb…. now go away troll!
July 17, 2009 at 1:41 am
i thought brock looked horrible on his feet in his last fight, like he got worse even if it would have stayed on the feet i think mir would have ko'ed him.this fight with mir hasn't shown me much i already knew he could pound him out.
July 17, 2009 at 3:02 am
Roy….What exactly are you looking for in Brock. You said you weren't impressed but Mir didn't do any damage and Brock absolutely crushed him. I didn't think that Mir even hurt him in the fight. He tried to land a flying knee but that was it. Its not like Brock is going to come out with a spinning back kick. He punches hard and eventually he's going to hit his mark. That and he's got a big ass head so historically he will most likely be able to take a punch.
July 17, 2009 at 3:10 am
Roy dont know what he's talking about Brock done what he wanted to do and proved that he can and always take out Mir .. its funny as hell when Mir said he can beat Brock 99% of the time well in a way hes right so far but i think it was a slip of a tongue he ment 100% now i think Mir will think i mean truly think not fighting Brock again even tho he says in public he can show him what a true champ should act like Mir go to affliction like all the rest and try ur hand with Fedor
July 17, 2009 at 3:37 am
John, Mir can't go to Affliction. I pretty sure their shutting down Affliction and not having any more events after the next one (Trilogy) with Fedor and Barnett.
July 17, 2009 at 3:50 am
first off mir sucks so beating him dosn't say alot to me, yeah brock dominated him i never said he didn't and john you say brock showed he can and always take out mir?what for a date mir already beat him once.brock is dangerous but his stand up looked worse in this fight than his previous 3 ufc fights some people can train stand up and never get better look at tito.i was more impressed with brock in his other fights than this one thats not to say he won't keep winning on just what he has but his stand up sucks it dosn't matter how hard you hit if you can't land it.
July 17, 2009 at 3:53 am
kj i wasn't expecting him to be great in the stand up but improved, and i thought the best bet for him was to keep it standing with mir and eventually ko him but i was wrong his stand looked bad and his best bet is what he did and i only said it because people where talking like he was a great striker now when he should stay away from that with anyone who can strike.
July 17, 2009 at 4:21 am
mike why are saying retarded things. Randy at one point was considered to have a great chin until chuck connected on him. Even Joe roagan Mentioned in fights that Randy has never been knocked out (PRE-chuck fight)
Vitor couldnt knock him out. and all of a sudden Randy has a Glass jaw?? in fact Randy actually out struck overrated Chukee boy in their first fight/ A wrestler outstrikes a Striker??
July 17, 2009 at 4:22 am
Zack i was being sarcastic about Mir going to affliction but i didnt know they are closeing down thax for the insight
July 17, 2009 at 4:29 am
Jay, i agree with you in saying Randy has a good chin, but calling Chuck overrated is completely stupid. He's the greastest UFC Light Heavyweight Champion ever and one of the best MMA fighters of all-time. He's done pretty much everything for the sport of MMA, making it so popular now. So, quit hatin in Chuck so much, he's one of my all time favorites. I hate Anderson, but you dont here me talking shit about your boy. Just cool it on the Chuck is overrated bullshit.
July 17, 2009 at 4:35 am
Roy: after he showd Mir that he can beat him.. Mir cant beat him again im sorry.. Mir said s that he can Beat brock in every boubt this is a prefight messege from Mir… Mir got stump i dont think any fighter out there can beat Lesnar TWISE in a row
July 17, 2009 at 4:41 am
ok I apologize Zack about chuck. But Chuck had Tailor made opponents. But I agree Chuck was good with his hands but he didnt evolve that much and that goes for tito too
July 17, 2009 at 5:02 am
Chuck didn't have tailor made opponents, he fought who ever was the top contender in his weight class at that time. You make it sound has if Chuck picked those guys to fight. He's never chose his opponents and you know what Chuck's motto it has always been "I'll fight anyone, anywhere at anytime." And Chuck really didn't have to evolve he had and still probably has the best takedown defense to keep the fight standing and then a great chin and great hands to knock any fighter out cold.
July 17, 2009 at 5:03 am
i agree i don't think mir will ever beat brock again, but i also think mir is a mid level fighter.
July 17, 2009 at 5:07 am
Chuck doesn't have the same reation time that he used too. Or the same fasts hand or a great chin that he used too… Sad to say…
July 17, 2009 at 6:05 am
how about a chuck lidell ortiz 3? just kidding!
July 17, 2009 at 11:50 am
Call me crazy but people are saying Mir isn't a top competition or whatever your choice of words…but I dont think it matters when fighting Brock. I mean I cannot stand him and I cheer against him in fights but even I know that the dude is making these people who have been fighting all their life look dumb. He's shown he has the punching power to knock anyone in MMA out with a single punch. He has also shown that he can take people down whenever he wants. I dont care what level competition you put up against him I think its going to be same story different chapter. He is just to big and to strong. The Mir fight impressed me because of the way that he could hold down Mir like that. You could see Mir trying to pop his hips out and he just couldn't do it because Brock was to strong. This may anger some people but I think he would steam roll Fedor. Fedors and amazing fighter but Brock is just to damn big. I know he's good at submitting big guys but a Brock really impressed me the way he could just hold someone in one place using his strength. Maybe a little early to call but I would put Brock as number 2 heavyweight right now. I mean trying to think of people who could beat him is tough. Maybe Fedor…probably put Fedor at number 1 because of his record and all. Maybe Carwin….Valasquez would get destroyed in mop. I dont know thats just my thoughts though. Sucks because Brock is a cocky dick that doesn't care about MMA or any of that but he's fucking good.
July 17, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Fedor is not Frank Mir. Mir had the worst game plan to fight brock. Fedor is the best mental fighter in the game. He is comfortable every where the fights go. I see fedor beating Brock 2 ways either ground and pund tko or submission. EVERYBODY HAS LOOKED IMPRESSIVE OVER FRANK MIR!
July 19, 2009 at 1:12 pm
comment 26 is so dumb lmao. lashley couldnt even stop fat guida. brocks got a better wrstling pedigree than lashley, about 30 pounds on him, and has way longer reach. lashley isnt in lesnars league.
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