Randy “The Natural” Couture reminisces about when he started in the sport, coming from a wrestling background, compares himself to Lesnar.
November 4, 2008 at 5:44 am
Similiar but than again far from…Lesnar's overall athletic ability will prove to be too much this time around for the champ to conquer in my opinion. the Age of Lesnar begins November 15th.
November 4, 2008 at 6:14 am
if it does, it will end when he faces nog
November 4, 2008 at 6:33 am
Dont think so…i think MIR will win and the rematch of the century will take place between the Beast Lesnar and Submission Expert MIR and Brock will win that one as well and avenge his only loss. If Nog wins well that one is a toss up and would be a great fight but first off we have to look at Nov 15 and see who wins.
November 4, 2008 at 6:35 am
November 4, 2008 at 6:36 am
i can see you saying brocks got a good shot at nog but you think mir will beat nog? please tell me how he will do this. do you think mir will submit him? knock him out? it won't happen.
November 4, 2008 at 6:38 am
oh and how could you call mir vs lesnar the rematch of the century? if that was the headliner it would be a weak event.
p.s. mir sucks he is a great bjj fighter but has never been a top fighter his entire carrer.
November 4, 2008 at 6:52 am
Okay mistated…not match of the century..rematch of the year… or how about its titled UFC 97?: REVENGE…MIR is a good fighter a former champ he doesnt suck as a fighter thats for sure as he could beat most of the top 10 hwghts….I dont know how the MIR and NOG fight will end but he could very well submit him…anything can happen i am sure NOG is the Favorite thought…I believe Lesnar has a very good chance of beating NOG if that happens…he has all the capabilities to do it and from what i have read by an article with Josh Thompson one of Lesnar training partners is that 6months ago they all used to submit him now as Thompson put it that nearly impossible and he went onto say how dont be surprised if Lesnar wins by Submission. Check it out!
November 4, 2008 at 6:54 am
Correct Myself NICK THOMPSON my badd
November 4, 2008 at 6:57 am
BROCK LESNAR'S SECRET WEAPON
A look inside the fighter's methods.
by Ryan Hockensmith
[Ed's note: If you're interested in more of Ryan's writings on MMA and the fight world, you can check his archives here. ]
When the Randy Couture/Brock Lesnar fight was announced a few months ago, the immediate breakdown was: Lesnar had age, size and speed on his side. Couture had experience and submissions as his advantages. Wrestling? Well, we'll call it a draw, even though Lesnar had a far more accomplished college career.
According to people inside Lesnar's camp, you can consider submissions essentially a draw at this point. (Of course, that's what people inside Lesnar's camp are supposed to say.)
Six months ago during interviews, both Nick Thompson and teammate Travis Wiuff said very different things about Lesnar's jiu-jitsu. Both admitted Lesnar had a long way to go with his grappling.
Fast forward to now. Thompson is one of the most underrated fighters on the planet (he's won 12 of his last 13 fights, the one defeat coming in July against Jake Shields), and maybe the smartest, too—a few days after the Shields loss, Thompson took the Minnesota bar exam and passed. Even as a Lesnar teammate, Thompson's opinions are worth listening to.
"Brock has gotten ridiculous on the ground," Thompson says. "Most of the black-belt level guys in our camp are 200-225 pounds and used to roll with Brock and tap him—including me. Forget it now. I highly doubt there will be a submission that ends this fight. But if there is one, don't be surprised if it's Brock tapping out Randy."
Lesnar by no means lacks confidence—he thinks he's going to win every fight, including against Couture. But he downplays his jiu-jitsu. "Oh, I'm not in Randy's league yet there," he says. "I still am just a meathead wrestler trying to learn this stuff."
Lesnar actually points to a different secret weapon for this fight: training partner Marty Morgan. After 16 years as Minnesota's top assistant wrestling coach, Morgan, the 1990 NCAA champion at 177 pounds, resigned his staff spot two months ago to go work at Minnesota Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Specifically, the former American Greco-Roman Olympic wannabe came in to train with Lesnar. Even more specifically, Morgan brought with him intimate knowledge of Couture, a former training partner as they both tried to make the 1992 and 1996 Olympic teams. "Marty is a huge help—huge," Lesnar says. "He's great to have around just because of his wrestling background. But throw in his experience around Randy, knowing how he thinks and battles, and I think Marty is a major asset for me."
As his training camp winds down, Lesnar is itching to get in the cage. It's been years now since he last won a title, and that spot around his waist, the one that for a long time was occupied by a gigantic pro wrestling heavyweight title belt, has been gold-free for a long time. Too long, by his estimation.
"I had to practice wearing that thing around, because it was so heavy," Lesnar says. "But I eventually got good at it. I don't want that skill to go to waste much longer."
November 4, 2008 at 6:58 am
THE GOAT IN COURT?
Now that he has passed the bar, Thompson is interested in starting his legal career. One of the first offers came from a familiar face—Lesnar. Lesnar's legal reps, Minnesota-based attorneys Brian Stegeman and David Bradley Olsen, took Thompson to lunch recently.
"The Goat" thought it was just a congratulatory meal amongst lawyers. But Stegeman quickly changed the subject from a pat on the back to a question: Would he be interested in joining the Lesnar team? Thompson said sure, and liked the job description. He'd work half the time on court stuff, and half of the time as a liaison between the lawyers and fighters.
"I still want to fight," he says. "But I thought, 'Man, what a perfect legal job for me.'" Thompson cautions that it was an informal meeting, and that he'd have to be approved by the entire law firm before he'd be officially hired. In the meantime, he's training for a to-be-determined fight with a to-be-determined organization (Thompson was one of many fighters to be thrown into limbo when Elite XC went under) and still needs to pass the Minnesota ethics exam.
November 4, 2008 at 7:47 am
mir could not beat most top 10 hw's, i think his only win over a ranked hw was sylvia and i don't think he would win that fight again so i don't see him beating any top 10 hw.nog has never been submitted and i don't see mir being the first, how many top notch bjj guys has mir submitt in mma?and a rematch with mir and lesnar would not even be a match of the year caliber fight lesnar would probally beat him fairly easy.lesanr would never submitt nog and training isnt fighting for real and thompson isnt nog.
November 4, 2008 at 7:57 am
Sounds like your high on NOG…LOL
November 4, 2008 at 8:05 am
Seriously though with all due respect those questions have no answers to them as we dont know if MIR can or will be NOG and vice versa only by past experiences wich give us a clear understanding of eachothers abilities but fact remains you can never count a fighter out and to say the MIR couldnt beat any of the top 10HWGHTS is far from the truth if anyting its an uderstatement of you by bypassing MIR's abilities and accomplishments of being an ex champ and BJJ expert. Fact again is we dont know until it happens but with all due respect to me it doesnt matter who wins on that one but i would like to see Lesnar avenge his only loss come that time. Surely you cant say that Lesnar CAN not submit NOG? Come on look at the man i guarantee you this if Lesnar does get a submission on he will either break something of NOG's or NOG will pass out from the pain and i am not saying that NOG can not get a sub on lesnar me saying that would only be foolish because a true MMA lover wouldnt never make a foolish statement like that and actually count out a fighter and his abilities…opinions are one thing but Rash and judgmental statements are another…lesnar would never submit NOG…???? I agree with you that Lesnar would beat MIR pretty easily this time….Frankly i wasnt talking about Lesnar submitting NOG i was talking about him submitting Randy…and that its a possibility.
November 4, 2008 at 8:07 am
a huge possibility….
November 4, 2008 at 8:35 am
of course anything is possible tim, just highly unlikely.i don't think its that far fecthed that mir can't beat any of the top 10 guys be could but i don't think he will, please tell me witch ones you think he is better than?and when i say lesnar would never submit nog i mean it, it won't happen i use if you beleave in miricles it could,i know how you love lesnar but i am not that high on nog i just call it like i see it i could be wrong but it's how i feel.
November 4, 2008 at 8:50 am
I respect your opinions thank you for clarifying and MIR is better than Sylvia and Gonzaga in my opinion just to name a few.
November 4, 2008 at 9:09 am
i think gonzaga would knock mir the fuck out
November 4, 2008 at 9:16 am
i got to go with dane on that one tim, i don't see mir submitting or even getting gonzaga to the ground so mir would get knocked out, maybe mir could beat sylvia again but it was a upset when it happened and that was when mir was probally at his best so its a good chance tim beats him.
November 4, 2008 at 9:24 am
ya and i think if sylvia faught like he faught against nog mir would have been knocked out in the first or second
November 4, 2008 at 9:25 am
Sylvia really isnt that good of a fighter take away him being tall and lenghty arms and you dont have much of a fighter…sorry but its true. Maybe your right maybe i am we will never know until and if it happens…guess we will find out when NOG and MIR meet.
November 4, 2008 at 9:27 am
Let me rephrase that …Sylvia is a fighter just very limited and take away him being tall and arm length and you have what?
November 4, 2008 at 9:30 am
Facts are MIR probably wont beat NOG but you never know and Brock has a good chance against either one of them but before i start jinxing myself lets see where Nov 15th puts us at.
November 4, 2008 at 9:43 am
i think to say sylvia isnt a GOOD fighter is kind of an ignorant statement. he has a really good record and is a multiple time champion. i dotn think i have ever rooted for the guy in a fight but i am willing to admitt he can fight. he uses what he has and it works for him. ya fedor destroyed him so what fedor has detroyed a lot of people. he is 2-1 with arlovski and was handing nog his ass on a silver platter for nearly 3 rounds before nog pulled out the sub.
November 4, 2008 at 9:47 am
you can't deny that, i have never liked tim that much but his wins speak for themselves and arlovski may be the #2 hw in the world right now and nog has been top1-3 most of his career and tim was real close to winning that fight.
November 4, 2008 at 10:01 am
Guys just think back a couple fights. Mir was KO'd by Brandon Vera fast and easy in their fight. I dont see mir being a top HW simply b/c he can only win with bjj. U have to be well rounded. Even at HW.
November 4, 2008 at 10:45 am
I agree with Tim about Sylvia. I have never thought he was really that good of a fighter. He always stays far away and catches the chin. Yeah, it's a win, but Koscheck was winning in the beginning of HIS career by just laying on people. Watch the Sylvia and Monson fight and it shows you just how one dimensional Sylvia is. Thats just what I think. At the same time, I agree with Roy and Dane about Gonzaga beating Mir. Mir is a great coach and would make a great trainer, but he has lost something in his fighting.
November 4, 2008 at 10:51 am
i agree with you ryan i never said he was fun to watch but a win is a win and the only guys to beat him are at the top of weight class except mir.
November 4, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I agree on Sylvia I dont like him as a fighter but he has dispatched a few heavyweights in his time and the crazy thing is he is like the only heavyweight to face all the good heavyweights in UFC, and almost all the good ones elsewhere. roy i agree with you on Mir he hasnt shown anything to make me think he belongs in the ring with the best of the best at HW. I think Mir's place is having his own camp, sitting on espn mma live and doing some cameo play by play for UFC that is where i like him.
November 4, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Mir can go many ways and if he wins vs Nog i see that being the jump start to cominue his career but otherwise shti the man is defielty deserving of respect and has great knowledge to open up a camp and train.
November 5, 2008 at 10:15 am
No doubt about that Tim. I think if he does lose though he should get a camp (if he doesn't already) and train or something. I think he is a really good trainer and could start a successful camp.
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