The Ultimate Fighter — Season 8 Finale: Results & Recap

Like I said in my previews, I had a lot of high expectations for these fights. I can only hope they live up to it.


Roli Delgado vs. John Polakowski
Result: Roli Delgado defeats John Polakowski via Submission (Guillotine Choke) at 2:18 of R2.

Though I didn’t see this fight, I am truly surprised by the outcome. I really didn’t have a lot of faith in Roli. I was never impressed with him on the show and didn’t expect much out of him in this fight. I guess I underestimated him. Maybe his black belt wasn’t from McDonald’s after all!

Shane Nelson vs. George Roop
Result: Shane Nelson defeats George Roop via Split Decision.

Though I’m not surprised by the outcome, I am surprised with how Nelson got the win. I seriously would’ve expected him to finish Roop himself. I guess a healthy Roop can hold his own.

Kyle Kingsbury vs. Tom Lawlor
Result: Tom Lawlor defeats Kyle Kingsbury via Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3).

No surprise here for me. I think a LOT of people underestimated Lawlor and overestimated Kingsbury. I only wish Lawlor would have won by a KO.

Jules Bruchez vs. Eliot Marshall (re-aired in between main card fights)
Result: Eliot Marshall defeats Jules Bruchez via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) at 1:27 of R1.

R1 — Marshall comes out really aggressively, landing several big shots. He then goes for a gets a good takedown. On the ground, Bruchez gives up his back. Immediately, Marshall gets his arms under and starts pulling tight for the choke. He gets it in tight and Bruchez taps.

Again — no surprise here. These two were SO unevenly matched it was ridiculous. The only way this fight could’ve been different is if Marshall submitted Bruchez faster.

Shane Primm vs. Krzysztof Soszynski (re-aired in between main card fights)
Result: Krzysztof Soszynski def. Shane Primm via Submission (Kimura) 3:27, R2.

R1 — Soszynski lands a solid left, and Primm goes for and gets the takedown. Nothing is made of this, and Primm lets Soszynski up. Soszynski’s aggressive on his feet and lands a few good kicks/punches. They end up on the ground and Soszynski is in control, but he backs off and they get back on their feet. Still, Soszynski is controlling the fight on their feet, landing several jabs and uppercuts. Primm is starting to look tired. Primm attempts and fails a takedown, and they end up on the ground with Soszynski in side control. He tries for a Kimura, but can’t fully get it and gives up as the round ends.

R2 —The round begins with Soszynski blocking a high kick from Primm. Soszynski comes at Primm and lands a series of punches. They clinch, but not much is happening. They back off and Soszynski lands a solid right. Primm is not really doing much offensively. They end up on the ground with Soszynski in control. Soszynski works a Kimura and manages to pull Primm’s arm behind his back. Primm taps and is in a lot of pain.

Where was this Soszynski during the show?? He was aggressive. He had good standup AND ended it with a fantastic submission. I knew Sosyznski would win this fairly easily, but I didn’t expect him to win it with a Kimura. I think this proves that he will have quite a future in the UFC.


Junie Browning vs. Dave Kaplan
Result: Junie Browning def. Dave Kaplan via Submission (Armbar) 1:32, R2.

Note: I HATE Kaplan’s hair — he looks more like a midget (little person?) than ever — no, no a troll!

R1 – The fight starts and almost immediately Junie nails Kaplan in the jewels HARD. Junie is quick to apologize. After regaining himself, Kaplan comes back swinging. Both look very aggressive. So far, I agree with Rogan that Junie’s standup is much improved. At the moment both kind of seem wild in their shots, but Junie is landing two shots for every shot Kaplan gets. Junie falls after a shot and Kaplan tries to get a straight ankle lock, but Junie gets out of it. Junie’s on top of Kaplan, tries to flip and is able to pass and get Kaplan’s back. He’s trying to work a Rear Naked Choke. Back on their feet, they clinch. Junie’s clearly been working on his Jiu-Jitsu as well. Junie’s landing a lot of clean shots, followed by a good straight leg kick. Kaplan follows with a good right. They clinch and Kaplan is trying to get Junie down and does. Again, he goes for the ankle lock but loses it and now Junie’s on top. Junie is on top sideways with great elbows to the head. Kaplan is scrambling to get up but gives up his back. Junie tries to lock in the choke but gets out again. In a cradle position Junie is punching constantly. They turn it around and Kaplan is on top in control. Back on their feet, they clinch and both swinging, elbowing and kneeing constantly to end the round. A very impressive round for both.

R2 – Both come out aggressively again and Junie shoots and gets the takedown. He tries to pass the guard, but is just working the Ground-n-pound with some elbows. He begins turning into Kaplan to pass, and eventually does. With side control he wraps around and gets an arm. Pulls it tight and Kaplan taps.

As much as I hate to admit it, Junie’s fighting has improved by leaps and bounds. His standup was impressive, and his ground game was better than ever. As much as I dislike him as a person (and I totally don’t buy the “I acted like that on purpose” crap), he took Dana’s challenge seriously. As long as he keeps this up, I wouldn’t really mind seeing him in the UFC in the future. Kaplan on the other hand…well, he was just a mess. Junie talked a lot of trash, but at least he backed it up. Kaplan couldn’t. I hope I never have to see him again.

Wilson Gouveia vs. Jason MacDonald
Result: Wilson Gouveia def. Jason MacDonald via Submission (Strikes) 2:18, R1

I had no expectations going into this fight, but truthfully, I’ve never been a fan of MacDonald. Not that I’ve been one of Gouveia’s either, but I feel like he has more skills and a more solid game.

R1 – A few good shots from both to start the fight, and MacDonald goes for the takedown. With some struggle he gets him down, but Gouveia is back up. They clinch against the cage. Nothing is really happening so they back off each other and are back at the center of the ring. Both are swinging and landing shots. Gouveia lands a jab that catches MacDonald low and rocks him and drops him to the ground. Gouveia immediately jumps on him and tries to finish it with a flurry of big elbows and hammer fists. MacDonald is cut badly on his forehead and not defending himself. The ref finally stops the fight.

Kevin Burns vs. Anthony Johnson
Result: Anthony Johnson def. Kevin Burns via KO; 0:28 R3.

Again, I had no real expectations for this fight either. I do remember the first time they fought, and I truly felt like Johnson got robbed. He was winning that fight, but what’re you gonna do? The rules are there for a reason. I am glad they got the rematch.

R1 – Both look out to kill. Good, continous leg kicks from Burns, followed by a good body kick . Johnson returns with a great head kick. I agree with Goldberg that Burns is coming out hot, but I feel like Johnson could just be biding his time waiting for the right shot and he does. He ducks a shot and gets Burns on his back. In Burns’ guard, Burns tries to get a triangle but can’t finish. Johnson gets up and lands a huge shot. Now he’s in side control. Burns is trying to move around, but Johnson is giving him no space. Johnson is just using his body to overwhelm him. Burns gets Johnson’s head from the bottom and goes for another triangle, but can’t get it locked in. Johnson gets out and is back in Burns’ guard. Johnson uses the rake choke to keep Burns down to land elbows and fists. Johnson makes no efforts to pass, so Yamasaki stands them up. A good body kick by Burns gets caught and lands himself on his back. Johnson won’t let him up and keeps kicking Burns’ legs. Finally Yamasaki lets Burns up. Great shots from both but the round ends.

R2 — Johnson comes out with a good body kick, which Burns follows with a good leg kick. Johnson lands a solid jab. Burns fakes a jab, then lands a leg kick, which Johnson returns. Johnson goes for the takedown, but Burns fends it off. Johnson grabs his leg and throws him down. From his back, Burns looks for a Kimura and has his hands locked but Johnson gets free. Johnson is in half guard landing some solid punches to the head and body. Burns also lands some good elbows to the head. There are some damaging elbows from Johnson in full guard. Burns is trying to throw up high guard, but both are too sweaty. Johnson lands some nasty punches to the body. He is alternating between punches to the body and elbows to the head. Burns is mostly just defending. Still on the ground, Johnson gets Burns pinned against the cage. Burns tries to push off the cage, but can’t do much as Johnson keeps him off it. Again Burns tries to use the cage, but can’t. The round ends with more of the same ground-n-pound.

R3 — Both come out still aggressive. Burns lands a great leg kick. A big jab by Johnson, followed by a HUGE HEAD KICK AND BURNS IS OUT COLD! What a fantastic way to end the fight!

Ryan Bader vs. Vinicius Magalhaes
Result: Ryan Bader def. Vinicius Magalhaes via KO (punches) 2:18, R1.

It seems that more than a few people have picked Bader to win this. Maybe I have underestimated Bader? Nah…I don’t think so.

R1 — A lot of action to start. A leg kick from Bader is followed by a body kick from Magalhaes. An inside leg kick from Bader, and a body kick from Magalhaes. Another good jab from Magalhaes and we see that he is very much on the offensive. You can see Vinny thinking. We see a good leg kick from Magalhaes. Magalhaes attempts a good spinning kick but it doesn’t land. A flying knee from Bader doesn’t do much. I agree with Rogan that Magalhaes’ standup is improved. Bader goes for a body kick that gets caught and he stumbles and almost falls. Magalhaes tries to take advantage with a series of jabs. Bader fakes a jab and lands a right. HUGE overhand right from Bader clips Magalhaes behind the ear and knocks him down to the mat. Bader pounces with continuous hammer fists and knocks Magalhaes out on the ground.

Okay, so I’m eating my words. Once again, my underestimation (or overestimation) of a fighter has come back to bite me in the ass. Bader’s standup was no match for Vinny’s weak chin. Though I can’t for the life of me figure out why Vinny didn’t at least try to shoot on Bader. If you know that Jiu-Jitsu is your strong point, why wouldn’t you use it?!? Vinny still has a future in the UFC, though. It’ll be good to see them both fighting in the future.

Efrain Escudero vs. Phillipe Nover
Result: Efrain Escudero def. Phillipe Nover via Unanimous Decision

This was a tough pick for me. I really like both guys (I especially like that Escudero shut Junie up ? ). But when it comes to fighting, I think Nover’s got it all.

R1 — The fight starts with a good high kick from Nover. Nover goes on the offensive and Escudero takes him down on the ground. Escudero is in full guard. Nover has his Escudero’s arms locked. Nover tries rolling toward an armbar, but Escudero postures out. Escudero lands two good shots to the face. He gets Nover’s back and goes for the Rear Naked Choke but can’t get under Nover’s chin. Nover lands some good face shots from his back. Escudero is back in control and lands some serious shots to Nover’s face, but Nover seems unfazed. Escudero is back in Nover’s guard, but Nover goes for a triangle with Escudero’s arm trapped. Nover is turning and inching to get his arm as they get on their feet and he goes for a standing Kimura but Escudero gets loose. Back on the feet, Escudero goes for the takedown and is in Nover’s guard. Nover goes for his arm again and they’re back up on their feet. Nover is now back on the ground. Escudero lands a HUGE shot that bounces Nover’s head on the mat and Escudero falls on top of Nover in half guard. Escudero lets Nover up and they clinch against the cage as the round ends.

R2 – Nover comes out really aggressively and swinging. He goes after Escudero and Escudero takes him down. Escudero has side control. Nover is alternating shots between Escudero’s body and head. Escudero backs off but won’t let Nover up. Escudero lands good leg kicks while Nover is down. Nover gets up and tries to get Escudero down. They clinch and exchange continual knees. A good elbow from Nover is followed with a right from Escudero. Escudero lands a good leg kick. Nover lands a good left. Escudero shoots and they clinch. Nover gets his head and tries to get a guillotine. Nover gets him down while still trying for the guillotine but he lets go. Escudero is in half guard. They exhcnage body shots and head shots. A lot of good body shots from Escudero. Escudero is trying to pass guard, but Nover has a good lock on his leg. Nover goes for a leg lock, gets Escudero up and follows it by a GREAT body shot but Escudero picks him and slams him to the mat to end the round.

R3 — To start the round, Nover lands a HUGE right and Escudero shoots and is on top of Nover. Escudero is in side control and Nover is landing good body shots. They are back on their feet. Nover lands a good body kick. Nover gets in a series of solid combos. Nover goes for another jab/kick combo, which Escudero ducks and then shoots to get Nover on his back. In half guard, Escudero is not doing much while Nover tries for an omoplata. With Escudero’s arm locked, he continuously punches and elbows at Escudero. But with Nover’s leg stuck under Escudero, he can’t complete it. Nover tries to inch his leg out. He gets his leg out but Escudero’s arm slips out. Escudero is now on his back. Nover is trying ground-n-pound and gets an arm to try for an armbar but the round ends.

Argh! I’m tired of eating my words! Nover definitely held his own tonight. He had great defense on the ground and tried for who knows how many submissions, but he still let Escudero control the fight and that was his downfall. Again, Escudero was better than I thought. This is not to say that Nover isn’t all everyone made him out to be — I still believe he is a phenomenal fighter. Escudero just got the better of him.

Overall, I feel like I wasn’t disappointed by any of the fights. Am I disappointed that all my picks or favorites didn’t win? Of course. But of the fights that were aired, all were pretty fast-paced and action packed. And how can you be disappointed in that?


  1. richaaron

    December 14, 2008 at 2:31 am

    Good call Nichole, you can never go wrong with action packed fights. So what does this mean for Nover..? Do I smell a Browning vs. Nover match-up in the near future….? Regardless of his loss, Phillipe will still be a standout in the LW division in the UFC. I think he needs to focus more on his wresting and take down defense and hopefully in his next few fights, he can start the long climb up to the top of the LW ladder…

  2. steve

    December 14, 2008 at 10:44 am

    No offense Rich but u dont have to think to hard to figure out that Nover needs to improve his wrestling lol. Nover is a good stand up fighter BUT he has a horrible style for the 155 lb division. Think about it. All of the top guys at 155 are good or great wrestlers. I just dont see him being able to sprawl out of a tyson griffin,frankie edgar, Sean sherk or even spencer fisher takedown. These are some of the guys u need to beat to be considered a top guy in the division. He matches up bad with them. I still dont think escudero is all that good. He showed he had wrestling ability and ok transitions. He is a good wrestler but unlike rogan and Most fans who order the UFC we dont order it to see a wrestling match.

    Bader looked pretty good but I thik the only reason he did is b/c Vinny like most BJJ guys cant take punishment and thats why they train to fight on the ground. We have seen it time and time again. Guys with great BJJ that cant stand and they look like bitches against decent well rounded fighters who can take a hit and sprawl. Alberto Crane,Travis Lutter, Ricardo Almeida are all good ground guys but they lack stand up. BJ penn is what a fighter should look like. Well rounded on the ground and standing. U dont necessarily have to be as good as him in any of those categories but just be well rounded. Damn it Vinny. Why do u suck? I hate Bader LOL. Oh well he wont do anything in th 205lb division. Its too stacked.

  3. richaaron

    December 14, 2008 at 11:19 am

    So are you saying that Phillipe will never go anywhere in the UFC and get lost among the rest of the so-so LW's…?

  4. Ryan S

    December 14, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Steve, I think I disagree about Bader AS LONG AS he works on his ground game. If he can get some jitz under his belt, or at least some good take down defense, he can go further. Rich, I think Steve is just saying that Nover needs to evolve his ground game, and I completely agree.

  5. Nichole Lesniak

    December 14, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    I also disagree with Steve – I don't think it was Vinny's standup that necessarily betrayed him. He didn't even try to take Bader down – use what you know!

    He reminded me of Matt Hughes when he fought GSP. Hughes tried to keep the fight on his feet and ended up losing because of it. If you have a strong ground game, use it. If you know that you standup is weak, try to avoid it. Common sense!

  6. zalbag

    December 14, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    While Bader has very little fight experience> An old thing is lost in all of his skills. While other guys look the same size many people believe that he is simply significantly stronger than most people that he faces he has that extra chromosome strength that can't be explained only experienced, its mostly evident in his fight with Marshall and Lawlor. I mean why can't it be that he has extroidinary strength and power is it that hard to believe that is what's going on with his fights.

  7. kom34

    December 14, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    you could also argue dean lister is a bad ass bjj guy who doesn't get wins.

    gsp evolved to become one of the best welterweight wrestlers and i think nover can do that too. he does need more time and training before he can matchup with a sherk, griffin, or edgar.

  8. icemanrcks

    December 14, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    this steve guy seems to say a bunch of shit nobody agrees with. every time i read something he wrights he is getting dawged by the other commenters. nichole has some great points.

  9. dane drebin

    December 14, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    nover is a good fighter and its not his ground game that needs work he did fine on the ground its his take down defense. i agree with steve that if he doesnt improve his wrestling he will not be in the top 10 let alone call him an anderson silva and a gsp. i was greeing with steve about sherk, tyson, edgar, but not spencer fisher lol. did u miss the takedown clinic frankie put on spencer not too long ago? i also think its a very ignorant statement to say that just because ur a good at jui jitsui u cant take a punch. its so retarded im not even going to talk about it.

    i dont really think we can judge any of these fighters skills yet seeing as they were competing against other fighters who are TRYING to get into the ufc. when the Tuf 8 alum face some actuall ufc vets then we will know if they are for real or not

  10. steve

    December 14, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Wow who is typing as iceman lol. I havenbt had a arguement on this site for awhile in fact a lot ppl have agreed with what i have been saying. Maybe not on this particular post but most of the others. For real though what kind of loser has to post under 2 names? LMAO. Also Dane ur ignorant buddy. I said MOST great BJJ guys cant take punishment and history not just me has shown that lol. So go ahead and argue with facts. And you can say how im wrong about bader and all that but I just dotn see how he is gonna be a contender in an already super stacked division. Also that is a horrible name to post under also. Icemanrcks. More like Iceman gets rocked. Also Dane saying that Phillipe just needs to work on his takedown defense and not necessarily his stand up is hilarious. Especially with how much u talk about loving ground game. Its funny b/c in this day and age if u watched and understood fights and the fighters then u would know that u cant stop everyone from taking u down and u have got to be well rounded. So not improving hios ground game would be probally the dumbest thing he could do. But u really dont think Spencer Fisher is a good wrestler? Yeah he got outwrestled by Frankie Edgar but Frankie Edgar also got outwrestled by Gray Maynard. OHH so what now I guess maybe u didnt see that one. And since Frankie Edgar got boutwrestled does that mean he cant wrestle? NO so Spencer would easily be able to control Phillipe at the stage in his career and thats the point anyways. I wasnt saying that Spencer is the best wreslter but more that if Nover wants to climb the 155 ranks then he has to get better wrestling skills. Sorry if u dont agree with that.

  11. Nichole Lesniak

    December 15, 2008 at 3:29 am

    Saying "a lot" is a stretch.

  12. dane drebin

    December 15, 2008 at 7:41 am

    i agreed with you steve that he needs to improve his wrestling i just thought it was funny that u would throw in spencer in the wrestling category after people like sherk and edgar is all.

    no shit he should improve everything i wasnt saying all he should do is train in take down defense but that is where he is most lacking. everyone should improve in everything to stay relevant in the ufc. he was working for subs and doing good on the ground he took very little damage for being on his back most of the fight.

    i think spencer fisher is awseome in stand up and jui jitsui but yes i dont think he is a good wreslter when u compare him to sherk, maynard, edgar, and a lot of the other 155 powerhouses thats all i was saying. im sure he can wrestle better than most of us if he cant he should get out of the ufc.

    hmmm lets name a few jui jitsui guys who can take some damage

    how bout Nog for never getting knocked out and never being stopped and still pulling out subs

    lil nog can take a beating aswell

    demian maia hasnt lost yet and just faced nate quarry who has powerful strikes

    people like anderson silva and wandy silva are black belts in jui jitsui come from brazil and can take a beating and if you think they would be half the fighters they are today without jui jitsui ur kidding yourself

    royce gracie has taken beating from people twice his size and still pulled out submissions time and time again

    palhares is a mainly jits guy and he's a beast aswell and hasnt been stopped

    stephan bonnar came from jui jitsui and take a beating like a mad man

    marcus aurelio has never been knocked out and he has faced tons of tough competition

    hazelett is all about jui jitsui and the guy can take a beating aswell

    how bout deigo sanchez who while being a good wrestler is awesome and jui jitsui and has never been stopped aswell

    im sure u will nit pick one or two of the fighters i have put up there but sure you cant come to the ufc and only know jui jitsui thats obvious man do you want a metal for stating that?


    look man i can go on and on but you will still be in ur kimbo slice swing for the fences fighting is the only thing that cool mindset

    "Also that is a horrible name to post under also. Icemanrcks. More like Iceman gets rocked."

    wow steve u should be a comedian i almost fell out of my chair bro. ice man gets rocked thats comic genious man! you should go on tour damn!

    " For real though what kind of loser has to post under 2 names? LMAO."

    steve everyone on here has disagreed with you on tons of topics and called u a dumbass does is it really so hard to believe that other people are comming to the site and thinking ur a tool aswell come on man. no ur prolly right its me man im the iceman! lmao

  13. steve

    December 15, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Dane I never said u were the iceman but now that u are defending ur self for no reason if u look at the posts u were on the same time as him and u basically agreed with him. So ya now I think it was u. I know how much shit u r always talking about me in every post i make lol. It seems like the only ppl that talk shit about me r ppl like tong po and other weird names. Stop making a bunch of different names up to make it look like ppl agree with u. Now onto the topic.

    Demian Maia lmao he has no stand up. Palhares? Really? Did u see him fight Hendo? He pulled guard exactly what I was trying to say u gave me an example for my arguement not urs lol. Palhares is bjj but thats it. Stephan Bonnar? I said the TOP BJJ guys not everyone that has a black belt. Dustin Hazelett isnt a top BJJ guy in strictly bjj competitions neither is Deigo. So those names dont count either. Comprehend this Dane. TOP BJJ guys. Vinny has won the BJJ world Championship 3 times and Alberto Crane had won also. Look at how they did. Not good. They couldnt take it. Its not swing for the fences that I necessarily want to see. But I would like to see guys (who claim to be the best fighters in the world) know how to throw a left hook and even a decent jab. I mean how can u be tough if u are scared to throw a punch and get hit? Marcus Aurelio has shit for stand up. U ever seen his stand up? Not good. And he got dropped lie 4 times in his last fight.Also Wandy and Anderson have never that im aware of competed in BJJ world competition. Same with Nog and Lil Nog. They are great but Anderson aint famous for submisions lol. And Wandy I dont know if u have seen his fights but when he is on his back and he is facing a decent opponent he dont pull off submissions. He is a black belt but there are black belts like Wandy and there are black belts like Aoki. Huge Difference.

  14. dane drebin

    December 15, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    now im confused steve you arent even talking about things that are relevant. you're losing the argument so you say random things that dont make sense like

    "Demian Maia lmao he has no stand up. Palhares? Really? Did u see him fight Hendo? He pulled guard exactly what I was trying to say u gave me an example for my arguement not urs"



    "Also Dane ur ignorant buddy. I said MOST great BJJ guys cant take punishment and history not just me has shown that lol. So go ahead and argue with facts "

    you said MOST GREAT BJJ guys cant take punishment and I just named a ton of people who have Great not EXCELLENT BJJ who have taken a ton of punishment and still won. you saying most great bjj guys cant take punishment is not fact and just another stupid statement.

    never did anyone say people who have great bjj are great strikers if you wanna argue about things that dont make sense and werent even said by anyone we arent gunna get anywhere lol

    start arguing when you remember what you're arguing about man

    and you're right man im posting as everyone but you. even tho i disagree with icemanrocks and tong po on subjects its my multiple personalities fighting with eachother. all is is one big conspiracy against steve

    but dont write back adressing QUOTED statements you ahve made just write back and call me a bitch or something thats what you're good at.

  15. dane drebin

    December 15, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Alls im disagreeing with you is that whether ur a bjj, kick boxer, wrestler, judoka, or boxer you cant label them from what style of martial arts they came from as having a chin or not. you can take a hit or you cant. sure you can hit yourself day in and day out and get more used to takeing punishment but some people just dont get knocked out as easy and i believe you get that quality when you are born not when your parents choose what style of martial art to put you in when you're young. in your last post you are trying to argue that people who mainly/only train in jui jitsui arent as good of strikers as people who do train more in standup and my response to that is NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

  16. steve

    December 15, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Dane taking punishment doesnt necessarily mean can he be knocked out easier lol. Your missing the point. The top BJJ guys that try to come into mma get hit and they cant take it. Not that they give up but they arent use to it and they basically give up start pulling guard and laying on their backs trying to get there opponent to come down into their guard. This has happened every time I have seen a guy who is a BJJ Champ and he cant take the guy down. One more question Dane. If we are arguing about how strictly the best BJJ guys can or cannot take damage and u say Palhares as an example. I then say he is what im talking about. That is relevant because he cant take hits. He was scared to get hit by Hendo so he laid on his back and pulled guard the whole time. So how is that not relevant. And as far as bringing up random shit u brought up Demian. And having him just take someone down and submit them shows that he can take punishment how again?

  17. dane drebin

    December 16, 2008 at 7:54 am

    when ur an awesome bjj guy pulling guard is the smart thing to do against ufc level strikers. they pull guard not because they are afraid of getting hit but because its a good game plan and its their best chance of winning palhares isnt a standup fighter and henderson has mean knock out power its just common sense. you can take just as much punishment on ur back as standing up. we weent arguing about if bjj guys pull gaurd and dont wanna strike you said "most great bjj guys cant take punishment" and i think thats a stereotype that is just kind of stupid.

  18. steve

    December 16, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Thats your opinion but I still think most ground fighters are soft and I really dont care if u agree or not.

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