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July 29, 2008 at 1:58 am
I dont think Brock will even be a great fighter, because he isnt intelligent enough.
Fedor Emelianenko DV
July 29, 2008 at 2:27 am
"And the winner is… Heath Herring by way of brutal KO."
July 29, 2008 at 2:32 am
i said this before and i could easily be wrong but i don't see him being the next great thing, maybe he will be but he has a long way to go, he will win fights on his strength and wrestling alone i see him beating some great fighters and losing to almost anyone that can catch him with a great punch or submission.
July 29, 2008 at 3:13 am
The question is, after Heath kicks his ass, whats next for him?
Can he please stop co-headlining events? Put this hack on a couple under cards and let him earn his numbers.
July 29, 2008 at 3:39 am
im goin to have to disagree with ya nolan….this is brock lesnar's first win in the UFC….this is the kinda match that lesnar needed…someone that will stand up with him…if it goes to the ground then herring has a good chance bcuz he is good a BJJ
July 29, 2008 at 4:04 am
i disagree with you erik, i think brock will win this fight but it won't be standing.if he stands with herring i see him getting knocked out and herring is not that good at bjj, on the ground it will be brocks world.
July 29, 2008 at 4:36 am
Lesnar isnt a tactical fighter, he will try and start that way, but he will regress sooner or later to the frantic mess that was hammering on the back of Frank Mirs head, and watched in awe as he gobble his leg up.
Herring is a great fighter, his striking is better, and his ground game is better. If Lesnar wins, its because he gets lucky.
July 29, 2008 at 5:04 am
If I was Herring I would really work on triangle chokes from the guard. I think Brock will end up in Herrings guard a few times during the fight and he is still green enough to BJJ to be set up for a triangle…especially since he most likely will be anxiously trying to pound from that position.
July 29, 2008 at 5:56 am
"….this is brock lesnar’s first win in the UFC…."
they haven't even fought yet!!!! Heath has yet to finish a fight in the UFC ( all decisions 2-2 ), so we know he can go the distance, lesnar has fought a total of 2 min 39 sec(1-1)….. what i'm saying is it comes down to experience!! if this fight goes 3 rounds, who knows? can lesnar take punishment for 3 rounds? i know heath can!!!
i argee with Nolan…
"Can he please stop co-headlining events? Put this hack on a couple under cards and let him earn his numbers."
July 29, 2008 at 6:32 am
Main card fighters are fighters that get numbers. Brock already gets numbers, more than almost all UFC fighters already. How stupid would they be to put Brock on an undercard just because he's new.
July 29, 2008 at 6:38 am
They would be stupid, but It would give the sport a sense of legitimacy.
July 29, 2008 at 6:42 am
he doesn't have to be on the undercard just not the main event and he will still draw the numbers.
July 29, 2008 at 7:41 am
this is striker vs grabble for hearth vs Brock and most of the time the grappler wins
July 29, 2008 at 7:59 am
the put brock last because it is likely to leave the fans happy with a big finish. i'm guessing it's unlikely a brock lesnar fight will go to the judges.
July 29, 2008 at 8:48 am
Lesnar can defietly take punishment, how about botching a shooting star press and falling on his head and continueing the match and later finding out he had a concusion and still had the whereabouts to continue. True it was WWE but you still need to think and respond. Brock has shown great potential stop knocking the man for being where he should be a top the division co mainevent status, he deserves it, what other man can be put in that situation with his 3 years of MMA experience under him and not perform, the man has not lost by KO or Decision he lost to a BJJ expert and to say the man hasnt learned anything from that is foolish for you to think that. The man can stand his own ground, look at MIR and he will tell you the same, in a interview he said he hopes to never fight Lesnar again as the man is just to strong and will only get better in his submissio defense and overall Skills. Give the guy credit he is a world class athlete who in due time will develop into a awesome MMA fighter and will dominate the UFC HWGT division. First Win comes via Herring, he honestly has no match, herring has never fought a man of Lesnar's size and strength
July 29, 2008 at 9:43 am
he hasn't lost by desision or ko because he has only had 2 fights.
July 29, 2008 at 9:50 am
i dont see lesnar getting knocked our especially from herring. herring is a good striker but i wouldnt say hes one of the best by any means. we dont know what kind of chin brock has or if he can take a punch but with that head and neck i would bet that he can take one. im going with brock on this one because i just dont think herring will be good enough with subs to finish brock off. brock is like a jake obrien thats not afraid to stand and was raised inside a nuculaer power plant and never stopped growing lol. and Elbowz brock is a cardio freak i would be willing to bet his cardio is a lot better than herrings. the level he got to in wrestling they are all about cardio and im sure he has braught that work ethic into his mma training. im going to love it when brock starts beating big name fighters and everyone who has given him shit just shuts the hell up and stops comparing him to kimbo.
July 29, 2008 at 9:55 am
lesnar reminds me of cb dalloway — punch and then take it straight to the gronund for wrestling and GnP. other than that, heath herring is way too experienced for lesnar.
July 29, 2008 at 11:33 am
look you need understand one thing brock is a force to be reckoned with, Frank Mir thought he was going to walk all over him and look what happend if it were not for the shity ref to put them back on there feet because some reg saw he was giving a beating to him and hitting the back of his head which he wasnt then the fight would be in favor of lesnar. One thing is for sure Lesnar's cardio, strength and wrestling skills will never be matched and i promise that now add some true MMA skills and you have one hell of a ass whooping jabroni beating, mass of solid steel. Frank Mir said it best the man has unbelievable power and you never real can understand how strong the man is until he dumps you on your head and breaks out of two arm bar attempts and practicly took my arms with him and then he goes on to say through that i still won etc…. but point taken Lesnar is no wimp or pushover it will be a war come August 9th. i really hate to say this but experience will not always win against power and athleticm. GSP said it himself he is going to beat Fitch with his athleticism and skills. Experience needed my ass cause just to let you all know in my Junior year in HS i placed third in CIF in my wieght class of 152 beating out a guy who wrestling since he was 10 and me only 2 years of experience pinned him in the second round cause of my power and athleticism So i am full believer that experience doesnt always mean your the better man. Lesnar has alot going for him, the main one being he isnt fighting any pushovers and is being tested with the best of them. you can not hate him for being where he is he deserves everyhing, he earned it not to mention its a smart move business wise for the UFC to put him as co main event as it will bring in more money from all those WWE fans etc…Herring is cocky and i dont believe he is taking this fight mentally very good, he is acting like lesnar is a pushover and he said he has faced fighter like lesnar. Hell no you can not compare any fighter to lesnar, the man is in a league of his own when it comes to strength, power and athleticism and speed, frankly i think herring is overmatched but i give to lesnar who is not cocky he respects every fighter and learns very quickly. the guy didnt become a national wrestling champion for no reason. think about it folks, dont count the man out when he has yet to get hit yet. to me the man can take a punch and is just to damn fast for a man his size and strength for anyone to deal with. truth be that this is up to lesnar wether he wins or loses. i predict he will win via KO or maybe even by submission and wouldnt that be shocker, lesnar via submission, na probably not but defietly by TKO.
July 29, 2008 at 12:28 pm
so i'm gonna state the obvious right now..anyone that doesnt' give credit to brock lesner is a twit
not only does he have the size and strength advantage, but after his last fight, did he not say he was going to be studying grappling..MIXED with his already AMAZING wrestling..come on people
hearing has a chance..but really
and to nolan, and fedor
grow some nuts and actually watch ufc..brokc can lift him over his head..not to mention chuck him out of the ring, i dont' see "brutal ko" happening to this guy WHAT SO EVER
smarten up guys, i'm going to be mocking you the entire fight
July 29, 2008 at 1:48 pm
derek of course he would remind you of CB Dollaway..they're both wrestlers…they set you up with punches and then take you down
July 29, 2008 at 2:12 pm
most people think lesnar is just some wwe superstar and don't consider his all american collegiate wrestling backround. he was the number 1 heavyweight in the big ten in the year 2000 among many other things. a strong wrestler is the worst type of person to get into a cage with. someone of his stature laying on top of you in a mount, there is no way in hell you are going to buck him off. no way! and he just came off his first loss which was a huge disappointment. cmon'! he wants to win in the worst ways. he will ground heath into hamburger meat guaranteed. i just hope lesnar thinks before he acts in the cage. i don't wanna see him get a DQ or anything. it seems as though he kind of loses his mind for a second in the ring and turns the fight into a street style fight. he has so much to prove this upcoming fight. there is NO way it will last over 2 minutes. i don't think any of his fights will hardly make it past the first round just because he goes out and puts all his pressure on his opponent right from the jump like tyson used to do. of course i cannot really compare just yet as he has only fought 2 fights, so thats just my uneducated guess.
July 29, 2008 at 2:25 pm
There are a lot of all-american wrestlers, doesn't mean they're good at MMA. I'm not passing judgement on Brock until he actually wins a decent fighter like Herring. Lets get this fight over with already because I'm sick of hearing predictions.
July 29, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Herk, the guy has shown no skill to speak of, as a matter of fact hes shown the exact opposite.
Why exactly has he earned the benefit of the doubt? Lots of people can learn the sport, most dont learn it while making more than fighters than have been established for years in the biggest promotion.
He is a blemish on the legitimacy of the sport, where his name and money making potential ALONE is giving him unfair advancement opportunities.
Dont think for a second that had he won against mir, Lesnar would be on the ultimate fighter and fighting for the title.
July 29, 2008 at 11:15 pm
ELBOWZ u say that heath has yet to finish a fight and u say that is a god thing b/c he can go the distance but its really not a good thing also. Because it means he is not a finisher. Brockl is and he will ground and pound herring into submission. Just watch herring cant compete with top quality graplling like Lesnar brings.And so you know lesnar being that he wrestled and was a national champion i will guarantee he can go just as long or longer then herring.
July 29, 2008 at 11:33 pm
I say this, I would rather see lesnar fight top notch guys than get in the ring with JUSTIN EILERS, who got a shot for heavy belt in elite xc gimme a break, who he would kill no problem. I would rather see a fight I want to see than watch him steam roll the jobbers (most the heavyweight division). As an athlete brock is a freak of nature, if anyone watched the mir interview after the fight when he said you cannot fully appreicate how freaking huge that guy is until your standing in front of him. On brute strength alone brock is better than many heavyweights. If he weighs in at say 270 you know hes actually fighting at around 3 bills and its a lean huge muscle mass 300 not flabby shitty 300 lbs like sylvia, the guy is a freak. I do think its BS he gets paid what he gets paid because he hasnt paid his dues like many of the mainstays in the sport, however, he guy puts asses in the seats and thats good for business and the sport getting bigger so its tough to say he doesnt deserve it. Cant count out herring though, if you underestimate a guy you will be looking up at him on your back.
July 30, 2008 at 12:47 am
And that is one thing Brock does not do is underestimate his oppentents. if you listened to the preview you saw herring saying all this shit about how lesnar is no big deal and he has fought fighters just like him before which is BS. and then you have lesnar pointing out herrings skills and saying it will be a tough fight for him but he is coming in to win and he needs to win. Saying that right there proves to things one he is credible and doesnt BS and two he has his sights set on what he is going to see from herring so his mind is in that mode to be looking out for all those skills. Brock is no dummy and certainly not a pushover but given this he does need to win and it will be a tough fight but i honestly do not see anyone going toe to toe with brock, he rocked and knocked Mir down with one jab a simple jab not just once at least twice that alone shows you the power he has to put a 240lb man flat on his back with just a damn jab. The man willl win.
July 30, 2008 at 1:46 am
JAKE…… very true!!! All i'm saying is if it does go three rounds, we've seen Heath in those battles( and Almost take out BIG NOG), but we haven't seen Brock in that situation yet. You never know!!!!
July 30, 2008 at 1:47 am
i can agree with you on the ground stuff tim but brock won't be going toe to toe with herring or any good striker, if he stands with herring he is going down.
July 30, 2008 at 8:08 am
Herring whips his ass and WWE fans are now MMA experts…..AWESOME!!!!
July 30, 2008 at 8:52 am
okay PoppyCOCK, and what makes you so damn educated in MMA??? be careful who your talking to cause i do have experience in MMA not much but i was a top level Wrestling CIF Co champion my junior year in HS at 152lbs and i did go to J robinsons wrestling camp in Minnesota and Brock was there training as well in 2000 for his undeafeated and national championship season. The guy is a freak of nature to best put it, he is extremtly fast and agile and massvily strong, dude i saw the man train, and as Dana White put it he is a psycotic in his training. Wrestling of all Fighter take their training very seriously, I bet you this that Brock is in much better shape than Herring is and try going 3 round wrestling without getting winded there is no competion to that sort of training regume. You can not deny that if you even knew basics of MMA and matter of athleticsm and skill and dedication of all and wrestling have the up most extreme dedication to training above all others. Herring has experience but that is all, lesnar has 20 years of wrestling under his belt since he was 10 years old and in this case i will always go with the more experienced wrestler with great strenght and speed and basic MMA skills although lesnar is simply a unique asset to this sport over a non wrestler with experience in MMA skills due to the fact that a man with lesnars size and athletic gifts can simply overpower and utilize his wrestling skills to get him into postions to win, wrestling isnt just about who can pin who, and i am not talking that fake WWE shit either true wrestling, its about balance coordination and strength and having a low center of gravity and being able to control your opponent in all those. THat my friend take extrem skill and years of experience to learn and Lesnar has mastered that. So put that experience with some good MMA skills which he does posses and your looking at force to be reckoned with. Still the possibilty is still there that herring can win but honestly how can you say herring will whip his ass??? that just goes to prove you have no knowledge in this sport and your simply just fool for underestimating the basics in MMA Wrestling. Lesnar wins.
July 30, 2008 at 11:00 am
I'm kinda glad to see he isn't being INCREDIBLY cocky like he was for Mir. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he could be a great fighter if he trains right.
July 30, 2008 at 11:24 am
I agree and i dont think he was cocy at all he did everything he said he was going to do except come out the winner, in alot of peoples eyes he didnt lose that fight, he controlled the whole fight except for 15 seconds of it and made a rookie mistake to a BJJ expert. Now herring is not BJJ expert and i dont see lesnar making the same mistake twice. he overpowered Mir and he barely survived. Herring has little to no chance in this one.
July 30, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I agree, Lesnar was pretty much controlling the fight, but it all comes down to who makes that first crucial mistake and who can capitalize on it. If no one made mistakes, there would be a lot of draws.
July 30, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I was saying he was cocky because he talked about Mir as if he was no big deal. He is taking Herring much more seriously. Due to his inexperience, I think the same outcome would happen with Mir.
July 30, 2008 at 12:46 pm
say whaty you want to say but he did manhandle Mir and i see the same thing happening to herring although of course the outcome being in favor of lesnar. win lose or draw this will not be a boring fight for lesnar fans and foes, i predict he will win as he has all the skills to win and he has surely devoloped his BJJ skills, dont count it out but what if lesnar wins by submission? wouldnt that be something. i see it more like on the feet until lesnar throws one punch and connects and down goes herring and then the fight ends with lesnar in half guard pounding on herring into submission or KO
July 30, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Correct myself lesnar in mount postion….
July 30, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Actually I am glad Brock lost to Mir. Look at this way, he will be more dedicated more than ever. I think he is going to impress all the doubters.
By all accounts he seems dedicated to MMA and I hope him the best of luck. I am glad he is getting paid "the big bucks", many of them should be. Don't miss the bigger point of his move from WWE either, all those fans now watch MMA. I do not know about you but I would much rather have people spending their hard earned money watching a MMA event than a WWE event. You all know what I am saying here.
Oh and Tim, Brock called and you need to get some more press releases out.
July 30, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I agree with you tim. All I'm saying is if Lesnar did a lot of bjj training, or even submission defense, I think he would be able to use his strength to ground and pound his victory. And more than likely, since he lost to Mir by submission, he probably worked pretty hard on that. But yeah, either way, it will be exciting.
July 31, 2008 at 12:18 am
LOL your all to funny and have some good points as well.
August 1, 2008 at 1:56 am
I think that lesnar has big potential in mma. He will be a force in the ufc if he doesn't make rookie mistakes like he did against mir. I guess we will know what he's truly made of after the Heath fight. Heath is a great fighter, but Lesnar could possibly be pissed off over losing his first fight to mir and wreck shop. UFC definetly threw him into the fire though. His first fight against former champ mir and his second against the crazy horse! Good luck.
August 1, 2008 at 8:19 am
My opion about this fight is that Lesnar better be ready to scrap, because Herring is not no joke. Sure Lesnar is a strong dude but has he got the mentality to face this type of fighter. I remember watching his last fight, it was ok, I think Lesnar could have won if he would have been just a little smarter when striking his opponent. So all I have to say is good luck
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