UFC 92 “The Ultimate 2008″ Results Live



UFC 92 “The Ultimate 2008″ LIVE on December 27th from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Headlining the card is three blockbuster fights. Starting off Forrest Griffin will try to defend his UFC light heavyweight belt against undefeated Rashad Evans. Second, TUF 8 coaches Antonio “Big Nog” Nogueira and Frank Mir will fight each other for the UFC heavyweight title and a possible shot at Brock Lesnar. And finally, Quinton “Rampage” Jackson will try for the third time to defeat Wanderlei Silva in a UFC light heavyweight match up.

The main card starts at 10pm EST on PPV. UFC 92 Results after the JUMP…


  • Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans
    Result: Rashad Evans defeats Forrest Griffiin by TKO (Punches) at 2:43 of R3. Rashad Evans in the new UFC light heavyweight champion.
  • Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir
    Result: Frank Mir defeats Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira via TKO (Punches) at 1:54 of R2. Frank Mir is the Interim UFC heavyweight champion.
  • C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio
    Result: C.B. Dollaway defeats Mike Massenzio via TKO (Strikes) at 3:01 of R1.
  • Quinton “Rampage” Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva
    Result: Quinton “Rampage” Jackson defeats Wanderlei Silva via KO (Left Hook) at 3:21 of R1.

  • Cheick Kongo vs. Mustapha Al-Turk
    Result: Cheick Kongo defeats Mostapha Al-Turk via TKO (Strikes) at 4:37 of R1.


  • Dean Lister vs. Yushin Okami
    Result: Yushin Okami defeats Dean Lister by Unanimous Decision. (30-27 x3)
  • Antoni Hardonk vs. Mike Wessel
    Result: Antoni Hardonk defeats Mike Wessel via TKO (Strikes) at 2:09 of R2.
  • Matt Hamill vs. Reese Andy
    Result: Matt Hamill defeats Reese Andy via TKO (Strikes) at 2:19 of R2.
  • Brad Blackburn vs. Ryo Chonan
    Result: Brad Blackburn defeats Ryo Chonan via Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3).
  • Dan Evensen vs. Pat Barry
    Result: Pat Barry defeats Dan Evensen via TKO (Injury) at 2:36 of R1.


  1. steve

    December 18, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    My pics are…


    Forrest Griffin by RNC round 4.

    Big Nog by TKO round 2.

    Mike Massenzio by Armbar round 1.

    Wanderlei by tko round 3.

    Kongo by tko round 1.


    Okami by Una. Dec.

    Hardonk by KO round 1.

    Hamill by una. dec.

    Chonan by split dec.

  2. zalbag

    December 19, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Just in Diego Sanchez likely to face Joe Stevenson at UFC 95.

  3. zalbag

    December 19, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Oh different source but Jon Fitch considering move to middleweight. this one is more iffy. The Sanchez one is more than likely. This one would make sense though seeing as how Fitch has like upteenmillion ww teamates in the title picture.

  4. tom

    December 19, 2008 at 2:11 am

    evans and forrest idk will win..i always tforrest but now idk evans keeps growing and etting better and His trainnning parter knocked out forrest.jardine is who i am talking about..

    Nog will win for sure

    Rampage 2 knock out

    Chongo TKO 2

    hamill 2 round TKO

    Okaim should win then maybe title fight???

  5. tom

    December 19, 2008 at 2:13 am

    yeah i agree i think Fitch should go Mddle weight ..he had his shot and now its Kos and Swick turn…Fitch would be fine in 185 becaause he use to fight that and i also think maybe 205 before but i know he s fight at 185 a couple of times..

  6. derek

    December 19, 2008 at 2:34 am

    fitch will get owned at 185. you're telling me fitch has a chance at anderson silva????

  7. roy

    December 19, 2008 at 3:35 am

    i love that picture.why is cb on the main card?

    my picks

    rashad(hard to call)

    nog- no problem there

    rampage(i like wandy better but 3rd time is the charm)




  8. kom34

    December 19, 2008 at 5:30 am

    i think rampage is the better fighter now and will win that one. i think it will be a close fight but i can see forrest winning rashad as long as he doesn't get caught.

  9. Ryan S

    December 19, 2008 at 6:02 am

    Fitch shouldn't fight there just because of Silva? That's kind of a stupid way to look at it. I don't think a lot of the MW division could hold him back.

  10. zalbag

    December 19, 2008 at 7:57 am

    Plus a. Silva retiring then its freeforall gsp not retiring.

  11. Miko

    December 19, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Wow, even the prelim card looks exciting. I'll definitely be clicking the purchase button on my remote for this one.

  12. Ian

    December 19, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Just my opinion, but I think either the Hamill or the Okami fight should replace the C.B. fight on the main card.

  13. zalbag

    December 19, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    agree with that Ian. Thats how stacked this card is… A guy who is ranked in the top ten in his weightclass is on the undercard thats a pretty stacked card.

  14. Ian

    December 20, 2008 at 10:29 am

    I apologize if anyone doesn't like me posting so much,but the way the card is lined up,is that accurate?Because No way does C.B. go on after Rampage and Silva.

  15. steve

    December 26, 2008 at 9:03 am

    LOL I know thats what a lot have ppl have complained about. C.B. Dollaway is fucking gay. He taps and cries about it and then he still thinks he is a better fighter then Amir. He really is 1 dimensional and he is fighting a guy who has 6 of his 11 wins coming by submission. I just dont think C.B will win and if he does it will most likely be too boring to care who won. Besides neither guy is making a big splash in the division with a win lol. However Fitch is still a decent contender of course not direct title shot is coming but this will put him into a situation where he could always fight for a #1 contender shot. And to me thats more appealing to watch by far.

  16. whodini

    December 26, 2008 at 10:11 am

    why does the ufc like C.B. Dollaway so much anyway ? he isnt that good is he?

  17. STEVEO

    December 27, 2008 at 9:07 am

    i have never been impressed

  18. tom

    December 27, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    jackson is a badass and i cant wait to see jackson vs Evans wow evans is a relly good MMA fighter now…

    silva vs rich would be nice or watch silva W moven to 185

  19. STEVEO

    December 27, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Wow, crotch grab, real classy I cannot wait for someone to knock him out. Lesnar caves in Mirs face in the rematch. I hate to say it Kongo looked real good, gay chest pound and all, and I still cannot figure out why we had to watch the Dollaway fight. Wandi got caught and that should cement Rampage against whoever wins the machida silva fight, for the next shot at lhw. This sets up some interesting fights for sure.

  20. STEVEO

    December 27, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    wow again, that's a bit much don't you think Dr.?

  21. Tim

    December 27, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Well congrats to Rashad i do not like the man but a well deserved victory…Rampage kicked butt should be KO of the night bonus. Rampage should now fight Rashad with Rampage winning via KO but honestly that will be a great fight to see. Mir looked great and as i predicted he would win and we get to see the rematch…news was that Mir wasnt to excited about facing lesnar again…Mirs boxing has gotten better i agree but Nog is no Lesnar and Lesnar is much much bigger overall than Nog was and faster…that whole fight went in Mir favor…a slow paced fight with picking your punches…Lesnars style is much different he comes at you with fists of flurry…Lesnar gets his revenge come next year should be great fight…Mir has no chance in standing with Lesnar just look at what happened the first time they met Mir could not stay on his feet and this time around lesnar will be well prepared for subs. Rampage should fight Rashad now…its the only logical fight..i mean he never got his rematch and this would be a showdown of heavy hitters with Rampage winning come on the man from the OC baby Irvine CA my hometown county. Kongo looked good tonight and is back in the title picture in my opinion and should fight the winner of Lesnar and Mir if he wins his next fight. Overall it was a good card tonight..Rampage KO of the night, fight of the night i have no idea and i guess no sub on the night in this one. Cant wait for the rematch and rampage next fight…that was a sick KO.

  22. steve

    December 27, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Mir called out Lesnar after the fight and I think he is excited to fight him again and too be honest I think Mir will submit him again. Also We never got to see if mir could stand with lesnar b/c all lesnar did was charge at him lol. Wandy needs to really consider changing styles or retiring. He just doesnt have the edge in the categories needed anymore to win with that style.

  23. Chris Tinney

    December 27, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    wow. how can u guys say wandy cant be the champ agian? if neone can name one person that would jus walk through wandy with ease ill be really surprised.


    December 27, 2008 at 10:53 pm


  25. PoppyNick

    December 27, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Rashad and that crotch grab was pretty tasteless. I hope Quinton takes his head off. Mir…WOW, really impressed me and was not expecting that at all.

  26. Businessman

    December 27, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Dr. ..your an idiot. That is fine to dislike him but getting ignorant and making racial remarks like that is just wrong.

    I will admit that Evans makes it easy for people to hate him but he is not directing those antics at the fans or in disrespect to anyone. He is doing that to get under his opponents skin. Agree with it or not, many successful athletes has used this method in an effective way. Examples of this include Bill lambier, Bill Romanowski, Dennis Rodman, Muhammad Ali, etc…it’s is not really who they are but it does help to fuel them and to get under their opponents skin. In the process they may irritate fans but this type of athlete does not care about that. In fact they feed of that to. So go ahead and hate him, he is laughing all the way to the bank with the belt around his waste. Continue to dislike him and pic against him. One thing you can’t argue with is that he is still undefeated and if you look at his last four opponents of Tito, Michael Bisping, Chuck, and Forrest…he is fighting the guys at the top. Go Rashad!

  27. richaaron

    December 27, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Great night of fights. I took Rampage, Mir and Rashad so I couldn't be happier. Mir was in excellent form. If he shows up to fight Brock this way, he might be champ again. Great way to wrap up the year in the UFC. Looking forward to Dynamite. Still haven't heard if HDNet is going to be airing it. C'mon Santa, one last gift…

  28. steve

    December 27, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Like I said ealrier today Evans is too cocky and wow what was forrest doing with guard. Jesus u cant let an explosive guy like Rashad posture up on you. Like he said he must have been hurt. I dont think that the rampage win cemented him getting the winner of Machida v thiago fight at all. I think this win earned him a title shot and thats most likely waht will happen. I would like to see rashad grab his nuts while Rampage is throwing at him. Also Rashad has looked good but is he good enough to stay at the top and beat the challengers as the champ? I dont think so. Mir impressed me the most out of anyone tonight. His boxing looked so sharp wow. Very nice. I dont see Lesnar smashing Mir’s face in anytime soon. The rampage fight ended exactly how u would have thought rampage would win it. Wanderlei doesnt have that 1 punch Knockout power and did anyone else notice how much slower he has gotten since his pride days? Style hasnt changed and he has lost speed. Not a good combination. Wandy is now 5-6 in his last 11 fights. That sucks. Like Mike Goldberg said I think all those wars have paid a toll on Wanderlei and big nog. Neither of them looked very good tonight.

  29. Karlo

    December 28, 2008 at 12:57 am

    GREAT fights last night, Rampage landed a SOLID left hook, Mir Surprised me, I was cheering for Nogueira but Mir had a great strategy, he recognized that Nog is dangerous on the ground and pulled back when he felt it was not favorable on the ground, Forres fought a good fight until Evan took him to the ground.

    Cheick Kongo, I tell you this is one to watch out for, I've always had my eye on him, i look forward to his title fight

  30. whodini

    December 28, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Nog had nothing looked like …..did he even try for takedown ? and Wandy might as well hang it up do we really want to see him get his ass kicked again? dam it i thought he was going to clean house when he first got here

  31. Ryan S

    December 28, 2008 at 1:19 am

    I don't know. I think Wandy still has it. I mean, he may have a bad record in his last several fights, but he put up good fights in them. Yeah, Mir looked a lot better than I thought he would, and Nog looked like shit. Rashad, I don't like him, but he did a good job. Kongo is starting to look really dangerous on the feet, I hope he keeps working the ground game. Absolutely none of my pics won tonight. Bullshit.

  32. kom34

    December 28, 2008 at 1:22 am

    yeah that was pretty funny. lesnar was caught off guard when mir called him out. wandi’s style is all or nothing so i dont think hes going to be champ but he is still a top fighter.

  33. whodini

    December 28, 2008 at 1:25 am

    i never have liked Evans either …ever…does Forrest only know how to cover up with just his face when someone mounts him ? its like he never tries to block the punches

  34. Ryan S

    December 28, 2008 at 2:02 am

    wow, nothing went like I thought it would. Fuck, I think thats all I got. I’m still speechless.

    Dr., you say some stupid shit.

  35. steve

    December 28, 2008 at 2:04 am

    Dane I dont think Mir was dropped by a jab at all. It was more of like brock knocking him off balence grabbing his leg and the second time was frank more or less pulling guard to get the sub.

  36. Andre

    December 28, 2008 at 2:47 am

    wow what a night of fighting , the UFC really put on a great card , first of all my hats off to Fank Mir, beating a top fighter like Nogueira is'nt easy it seemed that his standup was on point everything he threw at Noguera landed his conditioning was good as well i wonder why Nogueira did'nt take this fight to the ground where he is most efficient but anyway good win for Mir. asfar as Rampage vs Silva it does'nt surprise me that Rampage won not because he's a better fighter but because Silva's not the same he's lost 3 out of his last 4 fights . it seems to me that Silvas problem is his lack of patience I mean we know he hates Rampage but going in there and swinging and leaving him self open like that was a big mistake . he could have tryed a clinch with some knees which work good for him before, and more leg kicks which we know Rampage is a sucker for. Silva was just trying to get the quick Knockout and got caught. Congratulations to Rashad he proved that is deserves to be considered one of the best at 205 . what i like about this fight was that as soon as evans saw that Griffin was out scoring him he decided to go to the ground and finish Griffin with the ground and pound . Watch out for Antoni Hardonk very impressive win a good ground game .

  37. dane drebin

    December 28, 2008 at 2:49 am

    pretty sure brock dropped mir with a jab so we did see how their standup faired against eachother. i dont see mir beating lesnar again but tongith he looked damn good.

  38. poo

    December 28, 2008 at 3:04 am

    mir has admitted to being rocked by brock on the feet. doesnt matter how it looked mir said it dropped him, and who would know that better than mir?

  39. ron shaw

    December 28, 2008 at 4:32 am

    mir has been a different fighter since almost losing to brock and i think he is going to exploit brocks youth in mma like randy would have wanted to. i'm actually taking mir for the title against brock.

  40. Tim

    December 28, 2008 at 4:33 am

    How can you say that their first meeting the stand up wasnt tested? if i recall if was Lesnar coming in and throwing jabs and hooks and his Jabs rocked Mir and took him down at least twice if not 3 times, and Mir agreed that he got dropped and rocked by Lesnar which lead him to stay on the ground. Mir's boxing has improved but so has Lesnars and that is scarry..Lesnar is to much for Mir to contain and if lesnar makes a rookie mistake than he will lose but i do not see that happening…Lesnar wants revenge and will get it come next year..Rampage looked great cant wait to see a fight with Evans.

  41. TP2

    December 28, 2008 at 4:40 am

    Nog Nog.

    Who's there?


    Mir who?

    'Mir an' see who knocked Minotauro the hell out. Not cold like Silva, but it was still sweet to see.

  42. Tim

    December 28, 2008 at 4:42 am

    Mir can not match up well against Lesnar, the only thing in his favor was Subs and at the time, experience. But now Brock has gotten over the hill per say and is the champ wether we like it or not and Lesnar we saw in his very first match was way too much for Mir to contain standing and overall and only due to a rookie mistake did he lose via sub which could happen again but not likely due to the experience factor of Lesnar now to avoid subs. bottom line nothing has changed regarding the standup Lesnar can drop Mir at any time and Mir has absolutley no take down defense we all saw that Lesnar took Mir down at will, stop with the crap that Randy would of exploited this and that…the fact is he did not and no one knows if the match would of coninued if Randy could of pulled it off so just live with the facts and the truth Lesnar beat Randy fair and square. I do not see Mir winning again…Lesnar wants revenge and will get it but if he makes another mistake which could happen Mir could Win but i see it going to same way as the first time except no submissions, which means Mir gets pummeled.

  43. Tim

    December 28, 2008 at 4:59 am

    That was a brutal KO for Rampage he put on Silva…congrats on his revenge.

  44. dane drebin

    December 28, 2008 at 6:15 am

    steve mir admitted that brock rocked and dropped him and said he didnt think brock would have that kind of speed and power in the standup. brock dropped him. end of arguement.

    you can say you think mir will win the next fight but dont start changing the first one with fantasy he didnt pull gaurd he got knocked on his ass. and then after it was restarted brock doubled him to his back. never did he pull gaurd once.

  45. nate

    December 28, 2008 at 6:50 am

    mir wasnt dropped dude like steve said

  46. derek

    December 28, 2008 at 6:57 am

    mir impressed me in the fight against nog. i always thought his striking was sub par, but it has significantly improved. especially when mir was forced to learn a southpaw stance after his bike accident. you can't take anything away from nog either, and you can't say he has slower reflexes. nog always looks sluggish in his fights and relies on the ground game (and chin) to pull off his wins. i liked how mir called out lesnar at the end. mir went to the fence, looked at lesnar, and said something like "you have my belt! i want it back!" lesnar was completely speechless. he must be shitting his pants, bc mir has said in the post-fight interview that this time he will break a bone in lesnar if he gets a submission. lesnar's only chance is striking, but now taht mir has substantially improved that, mir won't be an underdog. and mir WAS NOT DROPPED in his first fight with lesnar, and he NEVER admitted that he was rocked while standing up. he admitted that he was rocked with the hammerfists on the ground, but if you watch the fight again, you see that lesnar pushes mir off his feet.

  47. roy

    December 28, 2008 at 7:13 am

    wow, rampage and rashad pretty much won how i thought they would but i could not beleave mir beat nog like that, i don't know if nog is done or mir is better than i thought probally a little of both.i do think lesnar will be the undisputed ufc champ but mir looks the best he has ever been and i won't ever give someone almost no chance of winning again i have seen alot of fights this year where i thought the guy had no chance of winning win so i will give mir a good shot in that one but i see lesnar winning.

  48. Businessman

    December 28, 2008 at 8:00 am

    If anyone could be Lesnar, it is going to be someone that could submit him. He has the edge over all HWs in wrestling, aggressiveness, and strength. I don't see anyone knocking him out because a stand-up fighter would be very careful about punching/kicking with power for fear of being taken down. That leaves submissions as Lesnar's biggest weakness. Mir looked great yesterday but he would have to submit Lesnar to get a win. He could do it.

    Kongo doesnt impress me. he is big, strong, and a great striker and his takedown defense has improved but I think that Lesnar, Mir, Nog, and Napao could take him down and ground and pound him to a stoppage or submit him. Mustafa looked terrible. His stan-up and takedown attempts were terrible….so as good as Kongo looked, keep in mind his competition, which is of no fault of his own, but I doubt he would have been able to do that against one of the guys named above.

    I agree that Siva is pretty much done. I'll admit that he is a dangerous fighter and could knock anyone out but in general, he is done. He will not be a champ in the UFC. In 2009, we will see some of the greatest fighters in MMA retire- Hughes, Silva, Lidell, and Randy. They all helped to put MMA on the map and are all Hall of Famers but they are now looking old. They have something like 7 combined losses in a row.

  49. Businessman

    December 28, 2008 at 8:01 am

    Oh…i forgot, add Cro Cop to that list.

  50. Tim

    December 28, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Obvoiusly there are people on here who either one just want to argue or two cant stand the fact that Lesnar dropped Mir twice…now matter what you fools think Lesnar Dropped Mir Twice in the fight both with Jabs..go re watch the fight…Mir did not slip and Lesnar did not push Mir diown..unless you call his Jab shoving a 250lb man to the floor like a baby than yes…Bottom line Lesnar wants revenge and he will get a chance soon. Mir is in for a work of hurt once again…Mir can not match up to Lesnar standing and his only option is if he get s sub on him which is unlikely this time around…i just do not see how Mir based upon how the first fight went can beat Lesnar at standup…shit people just looke at the first 80 seconds of the fight minus Lesnar constly rookie mistake. Mir can say all he wants he is going to break a bone next time..hmm if i recall he could not get a arm bar on him after two attempt which lesnar almost broke Mirs arms off in getting out…i would love to see Lesnar break Mirs face like he did to Heath…There is always chance but this one will be the same as the first fight minus the sub..lesnar dominant and Mir in fetal position getting pummeled on.

  51. Tim

    December 28, 2008 at 8:11 am

    I hope they make the fight official with Rampage vs Evans…i cant stand Rashad….i think Rampage would KO evans like he did Wandy.

  52. Kash

    December 28, 2008 at 8:53 am

    I think they will probably give the winner of Machida and Thiago Silva the shot at the title next.

  53. steve

    December 28, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Lol at least derek saw what really happened. Tim u have a huge crush on Lesnar so of course u will say he dropped him twice. But u r the one that needs to rewatch the fight my friend. He didnt drop him and like derek said Mir never said that he got dropped lol. So stop making shit up.

  54. steve

    December 28, 2008 at 8:58 am

    1 more thing Dana at the post conference said that Evans vs Rampage makes sense so expect it to happen.

  55. STEVEO

    December 28, 2008 at 9:06 am

    I look at it like this, if mir fought randy right now, who do you think would win, im going randy and still say coutures a better fighter, mir looked great but thats one fight and hes not going to be facing a fighter on the downhill slide he fighting a guy in his prime thats the most impressive physical specimen the sport has to offer. So I am not putting too much stock into mir looking great in one fight. Looked good but can he do it consistantly?

  56. Nate Fury

    December 28, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Rampage vs. Griffin 2 makes sense to me. Also, I would like to see Nog and Couture fight since they both just lost their titles and it would be a very marketable fight. Who should get the first shot at Evans? If Machida beats Thiago Silva, how could you deni Machida his shot? Machida has been overlooked long enough. Who should Bisping fight next? What about Anderson Silva? 185 or 205? Who should Liddell fight next?

  57. gorell

    December 28, 2008 at 10:55 am

    can anyone tell me why forrest griffin received a $60,000.00 bonus. is the UFC friggin crazy for giving a guy that lost that bonus. one of the other winners should have gotten that money. i think Dana White is taking it in the rear end by Forrest in the locker room late nights.

  58. richaaron

    December 28, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Machida vs. Silva.. Machida wins. Then you have Machida with an undefeated record, fighting Rashad who will also be undefeated (cause you know he won't defend the title before then). That sets up great marketing for the UFC. The last 2 undefeated fighters in the LHW division squaring off. This fight means alot of $$$ for the U$F$C…

  59. Kash

    December 28, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Gorell, can you think of another fight of the night? There wasn't a 3 or 5 round all out war in this one that deserved a clear fight of the night but if I had to pick one Rashad/Forrest would probably be it.

    Machida or Rampage, I would like to see either of them fight Rashad.

  60. whodini

    December 28, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    i think Mir needs another fight or two before he gets lesner again….his cardio has much improved..but just to turn around and give him a rematch i dunno…i think they will let the excitment build a little …makes it more interesting

  61. Ryan S

    December 28, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    They have to have Mir and Lesnar fight next because Mir is the interim champ and Lesnar is the…other champ. They need to unify it. Tim, I don't see why you take anything to do with Lesnar so personally, as if you know him. And how is it highly unlikely that Mir will sub. Lesnar again? It already happened once and Lesnar's BJJ hasn't even been seen yet. I don't understand the rationale. How is Mir's reach compared to Lesnar's? Because if Mir has improved his standup, and he has a better reach, that could actually pose some threat for Lesnar. You can't just bullrush someone with good standup and a longer reach.

  62. Ryan S

    December 28, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    ok, I just saw that Lesnar has about 2 inches over Mir, so that is going to be Mir's problem. But still, his standup has improved. However it would turn out, I think it will be a good fight.

  63. dane drebin

    December 28, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    lesnar has the longer reach

  64. Ryan S

    December 28, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    And I gotta say, I'm re-watching the fight, the first time he knocked Mir down, it wasn't a jab, it came from the backside, and Mir was only standing on one foot because he was kicking and it almost looked like Mir got hit, but didn't fall from the hit. I don't think Anybody is saying Lesnar doesn't hit hard, at least I'm not, and he could probably be the hardest hitter in the UFC right now, but hard hitting isn't everything, and so far that is all we have seen from him.


    December 28, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    I think dane drebin and that buisnessman should go to the gym and pump each other. They talk like they have a clue about how being in the ring really is. Im almost positive they both weigh at least a deuce maybe a deuce and a half. Let me fill both of you in, go get laid hopefully a female but a male is fine if you so choose. I hate you both, burn in hell.

  66. dane drebin

    December 28, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    lol i weigh about 165 to 170 :)

    i dont act like i know how fighting in the ufc really is im just a guy posting his oppinion on a site where fans post their oppinions on mma just like you

    i train in martial arts but im no ufc fighter and i dont claim to be. dont know what ur so angry about sounds like ur the one not gettin laid but i dont know nor do i care about your life in any way. i like comming on this site when im in the office or comming home from a party to pass the boredom.

    i will admitt this however im glad i ddint bet on this ppv because i got all three main fights wrong hahaha

    i thought wand looked pretty good until he got knocked out it sucks he seems to do very well but loses a lot. i think and hope he still ahs a few good wins left in him. rampage looked awesome tho and i think he will beat rashad.

    rashad while cocky and unliked by me looked very good and deserves to have the title right now until someone else says otherwise.

    mir won me over in this fight and it was sad to see nog after the fight.

    i still believe however that brock wont make the same mistakes and will come out on top.

  67. dane drebin

    December 28, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    i think its funny how many people jump on and off bandwagons on this site people who talked mad shit about mir now all the sudden think he's god and people who were talking nog up like a mythical creature say hes done.

    same goes for wand and page.

    its like when chuck beat wand everyones was like omg hes back! no nobody talks about chuck.

    a day before the brock fight everyone was convinced that randy was a top 3 heavyweight and now he is a nobody to a lot of people.

    ANYONE CAN LOSE A FIGHT stop being so fickel

    the day fedor gets beat you will all stab him in the back aswell

    who are any of you to say a fighter like wand or nog are done? they both can still give anyone in their weight classes a tough fight or a run for their money so stop being so jugdemental.

  68. TAZKE

    December 28, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    It loked like to us tha CB taped and the ref missed it. Did anyone else see that?

  69. Businessman

    December 28, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Hey Dr…I am getting laid…ask your sister and your mom about our threesome!!! Stop being so angry asshole. Nobody is claiming to be an expert but we all have opinions. So even if you have your idiotic, racist views, that's fine, just keep them off this site.

  70. Naco21

    December 29, 2008 at 1:12 am

    i thought one of those "jabs" from Brock was a straight right not a jab.

  71. Naco21

    December 29, 2008 at 1:20 am

    just rewatched it and it was a jab with the right. Mir was throwing a kick and seemed a little off balance too. Either way he was dropped with a jab.

  72. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Bottom line Mir was dropped twice wether he was caught throwing a kick or not…he still fell down and Yes Mir said that lesnar rocked him watch the post fight interviews if you must. I agree with Dane Drebin…everytime a fighter that you love loses most of you always end up coming up with some lame ass excuse for why he lost its like you cant just respect the other fighter for the KO or the Sub or the whatever, including me at times but i dont do that anymore just like i congrats Evans on his victory it was well deserved…i dont like the man period though…Wandy may be on his last legs and for Nog maybe all the fights finally caught up with him but the fighters that beat them were just better on that day. As for Lesnar why are you all so agaianst the man and now that Mir is going to face him again which i predicted would occur…you are all on his nuts that he is going to beat Lesnar…you make no freakin sense. At least i and a few others on here are straight forward and dont jump on the bandwagon per say. Mir and Lesnar should be a great fight but i just dont see how Mir based upon the first time can stand with Lesnar and i dont think that Mir can easily get this win by Sub because lesnar is alot more experienced and will probably look to keep the fight standing with the occasional takedown but the minute Mir pulls guard Lesnar will back up and stand it back up.

  73. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Oh and nothings ever personal with me if you dont like me oh well and if you dont agree with me who cares..there my opinions although i know some of you agree with me occassionally.

  74. steve

    December 29, 2008 at 2:11 am

    Mir winning this fight doesnt make my opinion about him change as a person but it does as a fighter. Rampage vs rashad compared to a machida or thiago silva fight? Come on how many ppl know machida better then rampage? Rampage has more fans and more enemies that want to see him get his ass kicked. That is why rashad vs rampage will happen. Bersides rashad got a shot b/c he knocked out chuck so why shouldnt rampage get another shot after knocking out his nemesis.

  75. steve

    December 29, 2008 at 2:11 am

    by the way a trip takedown isnt considered a drop timmy.

  76. doumbret

    December 29, 2008 at 3:14 am

    The Lesnar VS MIR 2, will not be like the first fight…

    first of all, Mir knows how to prepare vs Lesnar, compare to the last fight because lesnar had only one fight. But It<s the same thing for Lesnar… For Sure the power is for lesnar like the subs is for Mir but Mir did VERY WELL against Nogueria so i<m puting my money on Frank Mir

  77. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 3:25 am

    Than you will lose my friend…end of story…Nog is not Lesnar and is much more difficult to handle as far as the strength and weight and overall Size difference not to mention the strength of his punches…Mir can not handle that as shown last fight nothing will change in that aspect except Now both men are a little more experienceed and i give the Sub edge to Mir but i do not belive Mir can stand with Lesnar at all…i look forward to the revenge and by the way Mir wasnt Tripped in his first fight? where the hell do you guys get this shit from..Lesnar took Mir down at will last time wether it was by takedown or from Jabs or hooks, nothing will change accept for the ending with Lesnar standing tall as the victor. i just dont see it any other way unless its a rookie mistake made again by lesnar but fat chance on that, Lesnar will come in with a solid game plan and dominate Mir.

  78. derek

    December 29, 2008 at 3:27 am

    the weak points about mir are his conditioning and his chin. we all know that mir can succumb to multiple punches, like lesnar's hammerfists. second, mir was breathing hard after round 1 of the nog fight. he said he was in shape, but he was breathing hard… and they hadn't even gone to the ground yet. however, i don't think lesnar dropped mir in their first fight, and mir has substantially improved with that striking. nobody wants to see rashad evans fight machida. that fight will be about who has better running shoes! i think rashad will pull it off thought because he is more active. what happened to yushin okami??? he should be getting a title shot soon. when wanderlei came to the UFC, i knew he was finished. because he is not the same fighter he was back in pride. wanderlei doesn't have that same aggression and confidence anymore. he trains hard, but he needs to put that training toward his fight.

  79. cory

    December 29, 2008 at 3:57 am

    i didnt think about that but it's true mir hasnt shown that he has any cardio or that he can take a punch

  80. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 3:59 am

    Lesnar has the best conditioning for a HWGHT and someone of his size….it should be an interesting match though but you cant change the fact that Mir has a weak Chin and his conditioning still sucks…Lesnar from what we have seen can take a punch and rebound although honestly i wouldnt call a punch from Randy Couture that powerfull but it did knock Tim Syvia on his ass so. Bottom line Lesnar has the edge standing and takedowns while Mir has the edge in Subs to me its a no brainer Lesnar wins whats to argue…we all know if lesnar makes another rookie mistake he will get Subd but i dont see that this time around happening. Mir can not stand with Lesnar.

  81. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 4:00 am

    Oh and good derek about Mirs conditioning in his last fight…i totally didnt even think about that but your right.

  82. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 4:07 am

    Rampage wants to face Griffin again to avenge his loss…i dont think thats a good idea right now…he should face Rashad and get the title back and then see if Griffin can work his way back up after a few fights and than fight him…If rampage fights Griffin next and loses than its back to the bottom of the pile for him…bad move if the UFC puts him against Griffin right now…they should give him his rematch for the title.

  83. Kash

    December 29, 2008 at 4:25 am

    Rampage would want the title more than anything, he must have had a chat with Dana about his chances and was told he needed one more win. It will probably be Machida and Rashad.

  84. MW74

    December 29, 2008 at 4:34 am

    Tim, I love the idea of a rashad vs rampage match(i've been calling for it for months) but I believe Q needs at least one more impressive victory (KO) to get his shot and I think Machida would be an awesome first test for -sugar- and as far as Mir vs Brock 2….I don't believe there is any way we can compare who lesnar is at this time to what Nog has become…almost sad to see it…this far down the line….and I hate to say it but I'm gonna have to start buying in to Roy and accept that when these old pride guys come UFC…they just don't seem to have the same stuff….Affliction tops?!….

  85. MW74

    December 29, 2008 at 4:42 am

    .oh and TAZKE, I did see that tap.

  86. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 4:56 am

    I wasnt comparing Lesnar to Nog per say and i agree i was simply stating that Mir did good against Nog striking wise but Mir cant do the same to Lesnar as he is much more powerful and as most have figured out even a mediocre strking skill Lesnar has can dominate you, that weak shot on Randy TKO him and we all saw the first fight which lesnar also dominated until that rookie mistake. Rampage said he wants to fight Griffin and avenge that loss before a title fight….maybe he was told that he needed one more win to get a rematch for the title…either way Rampage vs Evans would be great.

  87. MW74

    December 29, 2008 at 5:10 am

    I agree mos' def re: mir vs lesnar 2 no rookie mistake this time and I don't think mir has a clue as to how bad it's gonna be this time around for him…more determined and angry to avenge his one loss AND he has the title to lose…NO WAY is brock gonna do anything except prepare and train like an animal for this match and unlike mir….no man boobs….hell, even I could do that….the man boob part…not the taking out nog part. ellohell. Better match for griffin now would be vs jardine again and see which forrest and which jardine show up…either way it won't be going three full..

  88. Tim

    December 29, 2008 at 5:17 am

    I heard that Liddell is facing Jardine again…Where the hell is Bonnar at?

  89. MW74

    December 29, 2008 at 5:28 am

    I thought bonnar was fighting on the dublin card?…not so?!…i don't know if I wanna see chuck fight jardine again…I like liddel alot but i think keith,who I'm not a fan of is just gonna tear through him this time…I don't get the feeling we'll see too many of those Who?uston Alexander or Wanderlei type knockouts of him anymore…not that I'd be against it…he just seems different as of late…damn cromagnon caveman lookin freak!

  90. zalbag

    December 29, 2008 at 6:34 am

    Man longest I ever waited to comment on a UFC event.

    I guess it my opinion as long as Lyoto gets a title shot its his belt for awhile I think he can beat anyone in the division. I can't wait for his next fight. poor Nog Ill say more of course except that i got food poisoning the night of the fight didnt buy it had to hear about the results in the emergency room in Tennessee> Where I waited for 5 hours just to get a hospital bed> It was the worst night of my life and when I heard the results I thought it was the drugs….

  91. zalbag

    December 29, 2008 at 6:35 am

    Yeah and Forrest Jardine seems like one of the next likely matchups> though Rampage said he wants Forrest before he gets a title shot.

  92. roy

    December 29, 2008 at 7:03 am

    i still can't beleave nog got beat like that, i could see a decision going mirs way but never thought he would be the first to stop nog.

  93. whodini

    December 29, 2008 at 7:10 am

    good one zalbag

  94. dane drebin

    December 29, 2008 at 10:16 am

    why were u in the hospital zalbag? hope you get well soon!

  95. Ryan S

    December 29, 2008 at 10:57 am

    I still am curious how, in Tim's eyes, it is near impossible for Lesnar to get caught in a BJJ blackbelt's submission when we have not even seen any of Lesnar's BJJ or defense. As I said before, it happened once, why is it sooo unlikely to happen again? I'm not saying that Mir will crush Lesnar. I'm positive that if Mir wins, it won't be easy, hell it will be much harder than the first time. But to say that it is so incredibly unlikely just seems like kind of an ignorant and presumptuous comment to make.

    Also, I think Rampage and Rashad would be an interesting fight. Rampage has the punching power and Rashad has the speed. I would rather see Rampage win that, but it would be good.

  96. steve

    December 29, 2008 at 11:12 am

    That is hilarious how tims throws around the word experince and Lesnar in the same sentence. Soryy but 2 fights and 8 months of training arent gonna do him any good when the fight hits the ground again. Like Ryan S said Tim how the hell is it impossible for Mir to catch him in another submission. I bet u think he got lucky the first time too.But also we all know how much of a crush Tim has on Lesnar. Hell he is the guy who thinks he could beat Fedor. Oh wait fedor isnt good b/c he dont fight to the death and he isnt a soldier;) My point is that if Lesnar has already lost to him once and it wouldnt be much of an upset to beat him again.

  97. whodini

    December 29, 2008 at 11:38 am

    as long as he dont get decked by a jab right? hee hee

  98. Ryan S

    December 29, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Also, you can't call that submission Mir got on him luck because you could see him setting up for it before Lesnar even did that wierd jumping thing. Fuck it, this is a repetitive arguement that isn't going to go anywhere is either direction.

  99. MW74

    December 29, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Ryan, you have to admit that when mir took that first shot from lesnar, he mos' def looked surprised as hell… like he didn't expect to get hit that hard…then we saw him go unscathed in the nog fight(omigawd) I KNOW that wont happen in the rematch mir v brock 2…and if brock wasn't such a green rook in that fight he NEVER leaves that leg in there and waits for mir to stand up again…just to knock him down…i don't think he's gonna fall for that again and I don't believe mir could take his punches in trade for trade fashion…by the way…did you see him drag mir about 4 feet thru the air when he got caught and jumped…that WAS some funny *@$$ $#!

  100. Morey

    December 29, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    I don't see how anyone can deny that Lesnar has power in his punches. Mir might have fallen more than Lesnar knocked him down the second time. But you cant deny that after just a couple of minutes he had Mirs face looking the worst I've seen it after a fight. Lesnar is still a little awkward on the feet but if he hits you and the chin or behind the ears, its lights out.

  101. STEVEO

    December 29, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Whoever said Dollaway tapped, I saw it too I cant believe they didnt stop it, ref must not have saw it. We can argue the lesnar mir thing all we want and were just gonna have to wait and see what happens in the ring, I think brock will win. I also think if rampage can get the title fight he should take it and not run the risk of getting caught or choked out by a lesser fighter. Wandi is far from done, he looked fine until rampage caught him with that hook that his eyes were closed for about 90% of it, watch the tape, he didnt see most of that punch. Kongo in my opinion deserves the next shot after mir lesnar because aside from my hatred for his gay chest pound he has looked REALLY good his last few fights and the heavyweight division isnt getting any better anytime soon, maybe a carwin kongo fight,id like to see that. I would also like to see Machida get the fight with Evans because I think he "should" beat silva and I think he would be a tough match up for evans or anybody really.

  102. dane drebin

    December 29, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    im not quite sure who hits harder rampage or evans it will be fun to find out

    as far as i see it wand still holds a 2-1 advantage over rampage… i still say he wins the best of 5 series

    mir looked great and he is a true champion. i think he has the better technique but lesnar isnt human and i just dont see him beating lesnar twice. by the time they fight both will be even better and ic ant wait to see who wins. my money will be on lesnar. he is a freight train i dont see anyone stopping for awhile.

    i think forest should have a rematch with jardine… anyone?

    if rampage loses to rashad or doesnt get the tile shopt how awesome would it be to see him fight randy couture. that is a fight i ahve been wanting to see for a long time.

  103. Rob

    December 29, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Everyone is talking about the Evans-Machida match-up, but Machida has Thiago Silva first. Silva is a threat to anyone at 205.

  104. MW74

    December 29, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Dane man, you hit it on the nose about forrest v jardine…see comment 87 ;)…but theres no way Randy could stand in there against Rampage…it just wouldn't be pretty

  105. MW74

    December 29, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    …….but if we could get a Spider vs Rampage match….now THAT'S something else!

  106. steve

    December 30, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Morey Mirs face looked bad b/c of the hammerfists not the stand up lazy armpunch jab. The only reason Lesnar has done good standing is b/c ppl are fearing the takedown so he catches them off balence and bull rushes. Standing with Randy is not dangerous and it sure as hell dont mean u r a great stand up fighter. Randy can get hit by a pillow and be rocked. I just cant believe a WWE guy came in and beat down some UFC vets. It just shows how fucking weak the HW division really is. Maybe they should start getting some NFL guys to come in and fight. Another thing is that Rampage would destroy randy and KO him as bad as chuck got Randy. I dont want to see that and nor would I pay to see that. Randy has to chose his match ups carefully. Anderson and Rampage probally wont fight and if they did it would not be good for Rampage. Remeber what forest did. He picked him apart. Who is better and staying out of range and picking guys apart? Anderson Silva is. Forrest is good at doing it but forrest lacs the finishing power and A. Silva has lots of power from any position. Why watch Jardine vs Forrest again? That doesnt seem that interesting to me at all. I would much rather see Chuck vs Forrest. Anyhow Chuck is fighting Jardine and it will be a knockout for him and they will put him in a super fight after that.

  107. steve

    December 30, 2008 at 12:54 am

    U guys want to see what would happen in an fight between Anderson and Rampage But worse.

  108. Tim

    December 30, 2008 at 1:26 am

    What the Fuck is a bull Rush???? The only time Lesnar did anything like that was in the second the Heath Fight where he threw a flying knee….no other time did he come out like a bull and push someone down or trip them what the hell are you all watching. My experience comment had to do with the experience level of each man fighting eachother already and lesnar gaining some more experience from the first fight so in other words its unlikely that he will be caught in a submission due to what happened last time around as Lesnar will not knowingly put himself in that position again…if he gets caught it will be because Mir earned it and not given to him so easily as the first time around. Steve you comment about Lesnar's Stand up that he catches them off balance and bull rushes them..dont agree with the bull rush comment, but catches them off balance…well know wouldnt that make him a pretty good striker if he can consistently catch fighters off balance with his striking? i believe so just face it the man is getting better every day and with every fight and obviously you cant handle the truth…sure he has alot more to learn but just give the man his credit and stop complaining…lets just see how he develops in the next few years and than we can talk about how dominant of a champion he is…if he keeps winning.

  109. Tim

    December 30, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Oh and Steve..while Lesnar may have been in the WWE he is a true NCAA National Wrestling Champion and mulitiple time All American who deserve respect from an athlete perspective..the man is just a pure athlete and the best HWGHT MMA has seen for awhile regarding overall Size, Speed, power and wrestling ability…just give the man time as i have been saying and he will be a great MMA fighter and has already proven he belongs…what other man could come into MMA with only 2 years of training and 1 fight and dominate the HWGHT division in the UFC…and while that division may not be as deep as the others its still true MMA fighters he is facing some of them have gone toe to toe wtih Fedor and he killed them okay only Heath did as far as i know but the truth is that you cant accept it forget about his WWE days the man is a true Athlete no other WWE entertainer with out his background could come into MMA with only 2 years of training and kick ass.

  110. roy

    December 30, 2008 at 3:34 am

    from what i have heard dana wants rampage to fight rashad next, jardine does not want to fight chuck it possible but unlikely that fight will happen.chuck will headline ufc 96 but they don't know aganist who yet, amybe the loser of henderson franklin.

  111. dane drebin

    December 30, 2008 at 4:08 am

    i dont know why u all think rampage would just walk through randy

    i think randy could beat him in the clinch take him down and would have the edge in wrestling and grappling ont he ground. he took head kicks from gonzaga and beat his ass who can hit a lot harder than rampage. rampage is more technical for sure but if randy could close the distance and smother him i could see him giving page a lot of problems. forrest says randy whoops him in the gym and hasnt showed signs of noticably aging so thinking the legend randy coudlnt be a threat to anyone in the 205 division is retarded.

    when are u people gunna wake up mir just beat nog a few days ago lol anything can ahppen in this game

    it would be a competitive match and a ton of people would pay to see it whether u would or wouldnt steve no one cares

  112. Tim

    December 30, 2008 at 4:28 am

    Dana wants to give Rampage a rematch with only 1 fight between? it would be nice but i think it all depends upon his court date later in January on who he fights next. Rampage said he wants griffin but i want to see Rampage vs Rashad.

  113. roy

    December 30, 2008 at 4:36 am

    i think it could be a great fight dane, and your right anything can happen but rampage striking and power i think would be to much for randy and rampage has already beat two great wrestlers in henderson and lindland so i think he could deal with randys wrestling.

  114. Ryan S

    December 30, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Yeah Dane, I would base Rampage winning solely off his striking. In the clinch and on the ground, I would hands down give it to Randy. I think it would depend on where the fight stays. Randy doesn't have a chin like he used too.

    Tim, I don't think anyone is saying Lesnar isn't good. Hell, I agree with you that he is great, and he will only get better, and he does have mountains of potential to add to his already existing ability. The only thing I am saying is that Mir is a Black belt in BJJ, he is good at submissions. If he was able to catch Lesnar in a leg lock, which many fighters don't like to do, how can you honestly say that he PROBABLY won't catch him again? I'm not saying Mir will definately win, but hell, its MMA, not only can anything happen, but it already has. I understand you are a fan of Lesnar's, but I personally am not taking any credit away from him. I'm just basically saying I am making no assumptions for this fight, I know it could go either way, and I think both of them have equal chances at winning, only in different ways.

  115. steve

    December 31, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Dane why the fuck would anyone really want to see Randy get vicously KO'd again and waste what could be a great main event fight with having rampage fighting an actual contender. Tim I know u love Lesnar and everything but isnt it pathetic that a WWE fighter can come in and be the HW champ. OMG he won the NCAA wrestling championship. Kurt angle won a gold medal but I wouldnt excpect himto come in and win the 205 lb championship. Oh well he wouldnt u know? because it has a lot of talent unlike the HW division that is not just in the ufc but also in afflicition.

  116. Tim

    December 31, 2008 at 1:35 am

    I agree anything can happen and nothing is ever personal with me, your opinions are respected. No i dont think its pathetic that a WWE guy can come in and dominate cause Lesnar actually is a Natural Athlete he isnt just muscular like most of the WWE guys, he actual has Atheltic Ability which alot of HWGHTS in MMA do not, you see there is a difference between Athletic Ability and being good at what you do…Fedor for one has trained extensively in MMA etc…so he is very good but i guarentee you if Fedor was to come into MMA with only 2 years of training and 1 fight He could not do what Lesnar has done in the HWGHT division…thats the differance between the two…Lesnar is a Natural Athlete and can adapt and do well with very little time…shit he went to the NFL and made the Vikings squad and was only cut due to a motorcycle injury and they still wanted him to play in NFL Europre but he chose not to…by the way lesnar hadnt played Football since High School. Kurt Angle would of done great in MMA in my opinion if he would of gotten into it 5 years ago but due to his neck injuries now i dont think its likely. Bobby Lashley is another one with promising Talent and Natural Ability. All i am saying is we are seeing a new age of Natural Athletes in MMA coming into our mist and will run the current HWGHTS right out of MMA in the next 10 years. The new age has begun its just a matter of time before they take over MMA.

  117. Tim

    December 31, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Oh and i am not saying no MMA fighter has Athletic Ability cause they do obviously otherwise they wouldnt be able to learn MMA and perform well…its just a matter of Natural Ablitiy and not trained Ablitiy.

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  119. steve

    January 1, 2009 at 6:08 am

    Dont ever say Fedor couldnt do what Lesnar has done. U have no clue what Fedor can and cant do lol. U even comparing him to Fedor just proves how INTO Lesnar u really are. Fedor will always be better then Lesnar atleast until Fedor wants to retire. When are u gonna relalize that Fedor is 28-1 and Lesnar has already lost as many fights in only 4 fights. Lets see Lesnar after 20 fights. Then if he is 18-2 19-2 then u can compare him to Fedor but 4 fights in your an idiot to compare the 2. Athletic ability doesnt always mean how fast u can run and how much u can lift. And Fedors skills are all made for MMA. Sambo champ with a good chin and awesome strking and submission game. So stop comparing.

  120. Tim

    January 1, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Like i said Athletic Ability..some people just have no freaking clue what that is….ask any MMA expert or sport guru…Lesnar is the most athleticly gifted HWGHT to enter MMA ever…i was not saying Fedor cant do what lesnar has what i am saying is take away Fedor's knowlege of MMA curently and start him off with only 2 years of training and 1 MMA fight…I guarentee you that he could not accomplish what Lesnar has with only 2 years of training so far…Fedor has trained extensively for years and has built up his overall athletic ability i am not denying that STEVE!!!! my comment and purpose is that LESNAR is a hell of alot more of a NATURAL PURE ATHLETE and is so much more Evolved Athleticly than practily any other fighter out there and any HWGHT period for a man of his size…this just isnt news from me…check out Yahoo Sports, NewYork Times, LA Times, ESPN MMA Live..they have all said in articles and shows that Lesnar is basically the Evolution of Athleticsm and what has captured everyone's attention on him is his Athletic Ability to be able to transfer into MMA with only 2 years of training PERIOD and fight and demolish top level talent in the UFC…now Yes i like lesnar but unlike you i dont hold onto his Nuts like you do to FEDOR…FEDOR is GOD to you and no one can ever compare to his greatness not even the lord all mightly himself..BULLSHIT Steve get a freaking life open up your eyes and realize that while Fedor is great fighter he didnt just get there one day or within 2years of training like Lesnar has although Lesnar is far from a Great Fighter in my eyes as i will admit he has major potential to be great and right now i will call him a legend in the making but he still has to prove alot to me and yes i like lesnar but i am not afraid to see or speak the truth unlike some of you retards out there who cant handle pure and utter truth. Bottom line LEsnar is the most overall athleticly gifted athlete to enter MMA…while you may think all fighters have athletic ability they dont while some have some others and pure natural athletes which lesnar is and I am sorry but Fedor is not…Athletic Abiltity is all about Strenght, Speed, Conditioning, Mental toughness, Ability to adapt to different movements and sports and learn quickly…again i am not saying Fedor doesnt have athletic ability…what i am saying is LEsnar is a far better athlete than he is…just look at his past and his present whatever you may think Fedor could not have accomplished what Lesnar has done if he was in the same situation as lesnar…new to MMA never really trained at all for it and with only 2 years of training accomplished dominating 4 MMA fights and winning the UFC HWGHT Title..even with one loss…also Win lose record doesnt mean shit honestly cause look at boxing some guy can be 30-0 and than he faces a man who is 25-5 and that guy beats the shit out of him because he was simply the overall better Athlete and better at the sport than he was. There is no doubt that Fedor at this given moment is better than Lesnar but you cant put them in the same class…Lesnar Athleticly is on a hell of differentlevel but on a knowlege and experience level Fedor tops him surely. You must see the breakdown varience between being a trainined fighter and being a trained fighter with Exceeding Athletic Ability..huge Difference my friend and anyone in the athletic world, personal trainers, excersice physiology, sports medicine, doctors etc.. will understand this..The problem iwth you STeve and most people is they think Superficially and dont think Deeply at the basis of what makes an Athlete the better athlete and why that is a huge edge when combined with training and knowledge and experience. Give Lesnar time and if he truly in his Mind and heart wants to continue to learn and develop as a fighter he will undoublity become a legend in MMA and by some standards is already as he is the first Pro wrestler to ever come over to MMA and be succesfull and hold a championship with 2 years of training. Oh and Fedor skills are made for MMA??? if i recall you are not born with MMA skills you dont wake up one day and go i am a BJJ black belt, i am a Sambo Champion, i am a pro boxer…NO you train for all of that and become an athlete and for those you are naturally born athletes they can learn and develop and dominate the game of any in a short period of time. Bottom line again is Fedor is the better fighte but LEsnar is the better athlete and combine that with MMA skills and eventually you will have one hell of a fighter.

  121. Tim

    January 1, 2009 at 9:56 am

    I apoligize for such a long post but i was a on a roll and you all know how that goes…sorry again….say Happy New years to you all and may this year be blessed with good fortune for you all even for the people on here who dont like me or my comments. Should be a great and exciting MMA year.

  122. steve

    January 1, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Lesnar is more athleticly gifted then GSP? LMAO. U said anyone and that includes GSP. TRhat is hilarious. And u contradict urself also by saying that u didnt say fedor couldnt do what Lesnar has done but then u flat out say it. U say I think Fedor is GOD but yet u think Lesnar is gonna go down as the best MMA fighter ever after 4 fights. Pull his dick out of your mouth and realize that he is 3-1 period. Who has he beat? Min Soo Kim lol thats a gimme. Heath Herring. A decent fighter but not a top 10 fighter. Randy Couture who is way past his prime and who is really a 205 lb fighter. So dont go talking shit about me defending when u compare him to lesnar in anyway. Lesnar was given a title shot after losing to Frank Mir and beating Heath Herring. So he is 1-1 in the UFC and they gave him a title shot. That has nothing to do with his skils but his major PPV drawing ability. So dont ge too high on him just yet. Oh wait u are as high as any can go with him. Lets be real u typed like 9 times in a row on a post about him. So get off his nuts until he proves he deserves the recognition ur giving.

  123. fedor24

    January 1, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Hey Tim. I agree Lesnar is the superior athlete. Not to take anything away from Fedor. Fedor is an elite athlete as well. Lesnar is special. If he develops the skills to match his athletic ability he will be a dominant champion for a long time. I have to say I would love to see Fedor fight Brock when Brock has mastered his game. Fedor is the best today but I know Lesnar is closing in on him. I don't like Lesnar but I'm not an idiot. He is getting better all the time. I just hope he can let go of his WWE bravado manner. I would love to be a fan of the guy but he comes off as a tool to me. Anyway Happy new year!!

  124. Tim

    January 1, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Sorry for the rambling i am on some killer Meds..Vicodine and Percocette..cant spell….i got scoliosis of 9 Degrees its not anything live threatning but sometimes it hurst like hell and i cant walk. So most of my rambling and repeats are from the meds and just continue writing…okay i am going to stop now…Seriouslly i have had only 4 hrs of sleep long night last night wife got sick, partied to hard had to keep her awake til she drank 60 0z of water and ate some crackers than i help clean my sister in laws house till aobut 330am today and than i finally fell asleep at like 430am and woke up at 8am PST by the way for all you east coast players..okay i said enough this isnt my life story..but i hope you all had a better new years than idid and oh at about 10 minutes to 12am my wife passed out..so no new years kiss for me and then she threw up so yeah not goingto happen. So i hope your new years was safe and fun and great for all of you…HAppy Freakin ?News years and as someone al

  125. fedor24

    January 1, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Steve is right. The only reason Lesnar got the title match is because of his fake ass WWE name selling ppv buys. That being said, he did beat Herring and Randy. Can't blame the guy for dana's tactics.

  126. Tim

    January 1, 2009 at 10:32 am

    Steve i said Lesnar is the most athleticly gifted HWGHT to enter MMA ever did i mention GSP or any other fighter if i did as i stated those were not my comments those were the comments from Dave Meltzer Yahoo sports MMA. Anyways your not getting my point Fedor is the better fighter but Lesnar is the overall better athlete period end of story the truth is the truth. STeve Lesnar wasnt the only fighter to get a title shot after only 4 fights…Couture did, Anderson Silva did…so…. and i am not against Fedor and i am not really comparing him to Lesnar i was making a point about the difference between athletic Ablity and a natural born athlete and someone who trainined and became a atlhlete/figher….Thanks FEdor 24 at least you show some class and are knowledgeable unlike Steve who just cant read between the line there…and i will be the first to agree and admit lesnar has a long way to go to catch up to Fedor but that fight if it were to hapen would in intrigueing but wouldnt happen or shouldnt for at least another 5 years…Steve just give Lesnar his credit as it is due he has accomplished alot with a very short amount of time like no other fighter could really do again i am not taking anyting aways from Fedor just making a point. Seriously though i need to go to bed…Happy New years and nothing personal Steve. How was everyone NEw YEars?????

  127. Tim

    January 1, 2009 at 10:36 am

    I agree the only reason why he got the title shot to begin was because he could draw money…it was purely a bussiness decision and i dont agree he deserved it but take nothing away from him as its not LEsnars fault for getting the shot or for beating those fighters you stated as well…okay i am seriously going to stop…so sorry if i offended anyone….later you all…

  128. steve

    January 2, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Tim ur right nothing personal. Squashed as i say. Lesnar is a physical freak. Just dont think he is well rounded and good for the sport. Im done with this.

  129. Ryan S

    January 4, 2009 at 3:44 am

    I agree with that last post 100% Tim.

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