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November 11, 2008 at 3:55 am
cant wait for this one. GSP is on another level. i dont see bj being able to handle his wrestling.
November 11, 2008 at 4:41 am
strength wise GSP, agility BJP. A fight I will not miss. These are two of my favs. UFC 94 Bring'in It.
November 11, 2008 at 5:13 am
it's gonna be awesome!!
just another mma dud
November 11, 2008 at 5:32 am
GSP is going to crumble, I think, like he does when he has a highly anticipated fight. Look towards a GSP vs. BJ Penn rematch and GSP will pull the "V" then. GSP is one of the best fighters in the world and can beat BJ on paper most days, he just won't be able to control the nerves as usual. I would say that GSP has a better chance against Silva because no one would call him the favorite in that fight.
November 11, 2008 at 5:45 am
BJ TKO in the 3Rd
November 11, 2008 at 6:37 am
gsp is stronger in most areas but bj penn has flexability and strength that are rare. i'm always impressed by both of these fighters so i can't even choose a winner. but #4 brings up a good point that GSP has chocked in some big fights.
November 11, 2008 at 8:50 am
I think that the MMA community has worked up too much bad Karma for GSP. If you check most websites and the other three posts for this fight the majority of the comments look like this: BJ IS GARBAGE HE SUCKS BECAUSE I DONT LIKE HIM GSP COULD SUBMIT GOD. I GO GSP KNOCKOUT 20 SECONDS. anyway alot of people assume that GSP kills him i know the regulars on our site here think it will be an very very tough match to call and I agree but im leaning toward BJ.
November 11, 2008 at 9:41 am
either way this should be a great fight…but i see GSP on the winning edge of this one…GSP is too much for BJ to handle…plus i never like BJ he always looks to be out of shape…even though i know he is not…GSP is just the perfect champ and fighter in my eyes…..GSP wins by submissino 4th round.
November 11, 2008 at 9:44 am
Zalbag, "GSP could submit God". Hilarious! But I have to disagree, I don't see BJ winning this fight. I love Penn, he is definitly in my top 3 favorite fighters (behind GSP ha) but I don't think he is on the same level as GSP. BJ is top four fighter in the world today, but GSP is much stronger physically. I think if GSP delivers good leg kicks early on in the fight Penn will be unable to avoid his take downs (I know Penn is great in guard but judges give points for takedowns). Also, GSP is a much stronger striker. While BJ is a very accurate, very technical striker, he lacks the power that GSP throws behind his punches. Neither fighter has true knock out power, but GSP is closer than BJ is. I see this being an amazing fight but I see my man St. Pierre coming out with his hand raised.
November 11, 2008 at 11:09 am
GSP is to strong, fast, althic and a all round better fighter..
GSP will strike for a little then take him down and pound on him the stands him back up then strike then takedown, over and over again until BJ brakes
November 11, 2008 at 1:10 pm
over under on this fight going five rounds anyone ?
November 11, 2008 at 1:30 pm
over. i think it might go 7 rounds!! (SARCASTIC) oh wait. ur a dumbass. it cant go over 5 rounds. this isnt baseball kid! quit bein a dumbass. but anyways BJ will win by rear naked choke in the 3rd or 4th round after he beats his face in a little.
November 11, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I am stupid i meant the odds on the fight going the distance. If the scores are 30-29 30-29 29-29 30-29 30-29 they can go six because you cant tie in a title fight. there can be a penalty of -1 which can result in a tied round.
November 11, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I really dont get wat the hell ur sayin. their are only 3 judges and a round is worth 10 possible points. that means the fight totals would be like 50-45 48-47 or sumthin like that so i dont get ur 30 point scores. but anyways even if it did end in a draw -for example (50-45, 47-47, 45-50) IT WOULDNT GO INTO A 6th ROUND!!! the champ keeps his belt and the fite wud go down as a draw. so if it was a draw gsp wud remain champ and bj wud proly get his rematch next year
November 11, 2008 at 2:19 pm
no ur right i was reading sengoku and king of the cage rules.
November 11, 2008 at 2:25 pm
im all loopy they always say its safer to refrain from PUI posting under the influence of pain meds. I usually come correct on cagetoday but i can barely see the words today my apologies.
November 12, 2008 at 8:39 am
I don't think Zalbag knows what he's talking about. Just kidding. I think it may just be you and me that thinks BJ can take this. I take absolutely no credit from GSP, because he is phenomenal, but my gut tells me BJ. People seem to forget about BJ's conditioning and how gifted he is in ground fighting.
November 12, 2008 at 9:11 am
Well Ryan I think the biggest thing that comes to mind is that there is a new wave of MMA fans who have come in in three droves. During the hughes LIddel era. The time between then and now where belts were in flux for about a year and a half and then there are those that have been around for just the A. Silva, GSP era. These arent the only eras and im not suggesting that if you think GSP will win then ur a person who is a new mma fan im just saying Ive seen every single pro fight of BJ's and of GSP's. BJ has never once been outright dominated not even close. GSP has had on occasion performed down to the level of his opponent. All things being equal that still says very little about the outcome of this fight. The last thing being that the year GSP officially won his first title fight he absolutely destroyed everyone on the feet and then he got to BJ for no 1 contender and BJ went step for step with him on the feet. This is a very real rivalry in this sport and prolly the new couture liddel or liddel ortiz or maybe the new best fighter rivalry. all I really am concerned about is that it becomes a hagler hearns type battle of epic proportions.
November 12, 2008 at 10:35 am
it will be a tough fight for either fighter, anyone who thinks that one or the other is on a different level is wrong they are both at the top i could see wither winning and it would not be a surprise to me.its a hard one to call but i am going with bj.
November 12, 2008 at 4:41 pm
BJ outclassed St. Pierre the first time around! BJ's face didn't even have a scratch on it and St. Pierre spent the night in the hospital while BJ party'd. Even after BJ gassed, St. Pierre couldn't even give him a black eye or bloody nose! I think this time, BJ is dedicated and out to prove something to himself and everyone else. St. Pierre is scarred! BJ has finished every fighter he has faced since his last loss to Hughes. He's on a mission and I am 100% positive he will pull it off!
November 12, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I think BJ will submit him and make history, no doubt.
November 12, 2008 at 5:22 pm
BJ couldn't even last 3 rounds with GSP without gassing. BJ gassed in the hughes fight, even though he was winning. in this 5 rounder, GSP will have a clear advantage. GSP is excellent at everything and very well rounded. BJ likes to strike, although he can submit a guy on the ground very fast. However, BJ is slow compared to GSP. GSP's pace will outdo BJ, similar to what happened in their 1st fight. GSP by decision.
November 13, 2008 at 12:41 am
Um….in the first fight BJ beat his ass on their feet. GSP is a great fighter but I'm going with BJ.
November 13, 2008 at 2:54 am
gotta go with BJ. gsp barely got the split last time. and seeing as how this is bj.gsp 2 gotta give it to BJ so we can all come back to see bj.gsp3.
November 13, 2008 at 3:51 am
NO WAY!!!! GSP will win this fight hands down.
November 13, 2008 at 4:37 am
The GSP that fought Penn the first time is not the same fighter today. And the same can be said for BJ I suppose. We are gonna see if BJ really has the heart to go 5 rounds with the most well rounded and best p4p fighter in the world GSP. It will be cool to see how much these guys have changed on the feet. I am guessing this is gonna be a stand up war. I dont see GSP taking the chance of taking it to the ground unless he has to. Same for BJ. I would go with GSP just because he is too damn good. BJ is great but less gifted in all areas of fighting IMO. Besides maybe BJJ and im not sure if BJ even has the advantage in that. I would like to see it go to the ground maybe for 1 round just to see how the fair against eachother on the ground but other then that I hope to see a tough fought hard hitting stand up war.
November 13, 2008 at 10:13 am
I think BJ will submit GSP in the 4th. We have all seen GSP in shape and focused on fighting forever but we have just started to see a more mature BJ Penn that realizes potential can not win you every fight. If Penn takes this fight as serious as he says then I think the mma world might be looking at the best p4p fighter in the world. On the other hand if Penn has not dedicated himself entirely and returned to his old form then I have to believe that GSP will win an unanimous decision.
November 13, 2008 at 11:51 am
I personally don't think GSP has accomplished as much in BJJ as Penn has skill-wise. I also think BJ will step up with his cardio just because I think a big part of this fight for him is to be able to say he is one of the best pound for pound fighters, moreso than he already is. I still don't think it will be an easy win, and I think GSP still has every tool to beat him, I just think BJ will come out on top.
November 13, 2008 at 12:02 pm
steve that might have been the best commentary i have ever seen you give on this sight nice job fella
November 13, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Every single fight BJ has been in with in the past couple of years he has gassed towards the later rounds but has kept going. When he fought sherk he finished him but he did seem tired but sherk is at a much lower lever then Penn so tired or not he was bound to win at 1 or 5. The first fight between Penn and Pierre, Penn tired but he kept fighting although significantly slower. Penn seems to get motivated with challenges but he still tires even at 155 if Penn works on his endurance tremendously he will definitely either win or go 5 with a war. Dont forget that Penn pounded Pierre bad and resisted his takedowns during the first couple of rounds it was not till the mid to late rounds that fatigue caught up with him. BJ penn wins 3rd round sub or knockout. Pierre is a great striker but he does not have the knockout power to take care of Penn on the other hand Penn does and we have seen Pierre go down to strikes from someone with ugly striking. If Pierre wins it wont be by much. I like both fighters but Penn is just a better fighter over all except the wrestling. Penn needs to work on endurance.
November 13, 2008 at 3:04 pm
I agree with you 100% Sal. As far as GSP being p4p best fighter no way Anderson Silva by far. When I saw the penn vs. sherk fight I saw some definite flaws in Penns defense he got tagged with jabs constantly. He cant be doing that with GSP because GSP has the best jab in the ufc and most people under estimate that. GSP uses the jab as his key to the power punches. Just look at the gsp vs. fintch fight GSP jabbed and then came with a straight constantly. Bj needs to pressure GSP and maintain pressure because he is a better natural fighter and if you mess up someone’s technique they become flustered. Natural skill over molded technique any day. Nature vs. Nurture baby the naturally evolved fighter vs. the nurtured fighter. BJ needs to take a note out of GSP’s book and nurture the weak spots build on his endurance rather then continue to rely on natural skill only. He is a great fighter with tons of potential. Penn is definitely in for a fight if he does not tighten the d down and if he does not come prepared for 10 rounds.
November 13, 2008 at 6:24 pm
The reason I think GSP is the best pound for pound fighter is b/c not only is pound for pound for the lighter weight classes but it shows the all around skill set of a fighter. And as much as Anderson has acomplished earning a black belt and all every round he has lost lately has been b/c the fight goes to the ground. So usually when the fight goes to the ground he is at a disadvantage and if he cant do great on the ground like he can standing then he really shouldnt be the best P4P fighter in the world. It is IMO without a doubt between GSP and BJ. And I think GSP is the better of the 2. This is my logic for P4P. GSP has a way more well rounded stand up as well guys. He stands up now with more of a kickboxing style and not just a boxing style which he used in their first fight. BJ will have problems dealing with GSP's leg kicks and even his great spinning back kick superman punch and highkicks. GSP is just superb standing and can dominate on the ground like well Lesnar can but with submissions as a threat.
November 13, 2008 at 6:50 pm
I understand you like GSP and you think he is a great fighter and I agree. What I don’t agree on is that he is P4P the best. Yes he has a great arsenal of strikes on his feet but ive only seen him once on his back and he was submitted by Hughes a crappy ass fighter. Anderson has not even had to use his ground game because he is just so damn good on his feet. Look at what he did with lutter the one guy who was supposed to pose a threat was submitted with a crazy triangle and strikes. You can’t argue with that. What I do give GSP is that he is much more explosive but he is not that heavy handed. He has good strikes but not like Anderson. Anderson is longer and stronger. His punches come from a longer distance and still achieve impact faster and because they come from longer range they bring more velocity and force behind them. Oh and as far as the legs strikes are concerned GSP has leg kicks yeah but Silva is a muy thai fighter with knees and kicks come on you obviously haven’t followed silva very long. I would love to see these two fight just so that he can expose the weaknesses of GSP which is basically his stand up he is too technical and technical fighters are easily flustered with pressure. Just look at sherk great technique in his hand strikes and even kicks but just to technical if it don’t work in the ring they freeze. Anderson finds ways to win and he does just that wins. Not once have I seen Anderson stunned or in major trouble; the last fight he lost was against rio shonan via ankle lock. Screw that he was getting his clock rung and went for a desperation move and it just so happened to work for him. I kind of want to see GSP win this fight so that a super fight is arranged between Silva and Pierre so that GSP can get his clock rang.
November 13, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Dont compare Sherk to GSP on the feet.They fought and St.Pierre owned him on the feet and took him down at will. Also never call Hughes a crappy fighter. LOL he is awesome. Is the sport evolved past his game yeah but he is and was one of the best fighter and most dominate fighters in UFC history. Maybe u should have watched when he was dominating everyone. Also u bring up the Lutter fight well Lutter could barely fucking stand and he took Anderson down twice and even mounted him. Lutter weak and mentally broken had nothing left and went for a poor excuse ofan armbar. Thats how anderson even survived the mount. Sure anderson is a great stand up fighter but since ur calling Matt Hughes a shitty fighter then what in the hell would u call James Irvin, Travis Lutter, and most recently Patrick Cote? They arent even on a level close to hughes even now. I hope that they give Anderson a fighter that isnt scarred to get hit Shogun Rua and then we will see how bad anderson is. Shogun would get him if he was fully healthy. And thats just to name 1 guy. That would be the toughest fight in his career hands down.
November 13, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Yes I followed Silva throughout his career and saw how he could never win a pride belt and sure he is absolty great so there is no point in arguing. U will be proven wrong when he fights a real badass 205er and allthe hype around him will fade. I mean it seems more and more like people are claiming A. Silva to be unbeatable standing. Anyone can get caught and u should remember that.
November 13, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Ok so you’re a Hughes fan, which is a good indicator of why you dislike Anderson. Its probably safe to assume that you were in love with Rich Franklin. Would you consider him a crappy fighter as well? I would like to see GSP move up to 185 and face a fighter that is at his natural weight class the guy looks like he dehydrates for days to prep for weigh ins. The guy is not a natural 170 by far and I bet he walks around at like 190 he should be fighting bigger guys. You got it all wrong Anderson then Penn and then maybe Pierre. I like Pierre but he is nowhere near as good a striker as Anderson and years behind on the ground game. I do agree that Anderson has met some weak competition at 185 but that’s why he better move to 205 and take care of the competition there. By the way Matt Hughes was never a good fighter I don’t consider one-dimensional fighters good fighters. Especially him he is such a crybaby and if you saw the sherk fight you would know that Pierre out wrestled the guy because of the previously stated explosiveness that he has not the strikes. I personally don’t care for Sherk but I know good hands when I see them and he has good technical hands they are just to short. LOL. If Pierre gets passed Penn then I would love to see him fight Anderson although I don’t think he’ll drop back down to 185 because I see him going to 205 and winning the belt from those bad bad bad fighters in that weight class. Oh and Penn will probably expose Pierre’s bad defense with some aggression. Come on dude the guy lost to a 5’5 nobody via strikes and bad how is that pound for pound the best by all rights he should have not even gotten a rematch it was so embarrassing.
November 13, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Steve explaim to me exactly what you mean by i should remember that? Its a bit confussing.
November 17, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I'm not a huge fan of MMA but I've watched BJ and GSP fight others, and they have both improved since I've started watching. I truly believe BJ will win this fight just because of his versatility. Not to put GSP down, he is a really good fighter, but I think Penn is more well-rounded. I think most people would agree that Penn is the better ground fighter, but stand-up I think they're equal. Penn can take hard ass hits.
November 17, 2008 at 3:07 pm
For one thing GSP wasn't set up for a rematch by the UFC, he was selected by Hughes to fill in for an injured Serra becuase he handed hughes an asswoopin last time they fought. After he beat Hughes again he became the interim champion and Serra had no choice but to defend against him. As far as the dropping weight issue goes, almost everybody cuts 10 or 15 pounds or more to compete at such a high level, you would be crazy not to try and have some size advantage over your opponent. If he were to fight at middleweight he would be facing guys who walk around at over 200. Get some education.
November 17, 2008 at 4:13 pm
P69 this ones for you. First you see my email says @csufresno.edu california state graduate program psychology. If you don't know that's a masters last semester my friend is that what you mean by education or maybe you are referring to contact sports. Well two years california golden gloves tournament. 15-19 years 145 then moved to 154 don't do it anymore due to school but I will say this I know tons about weight cuts and it's not as bad as evrybody makes it out to be. I'm done arguing with you cause I don't see the point of defending some guy I've only met once so thanks for the insight on the overlooked skills of GSP but I really don't see him winning if he does great maybe he'll call you up and invite you for drinks maybe he won't I guess what I'm getting at is who cares. I still think he looses and this will not persuade my opinion of him. Bye
November 22, 2008 at 11:58 pm
GSP man handled John Fitch….
And john fitch man handles other guys no problem.
It was a 5 rounder, but anyone who saw that fight, knew GSP wanted to put on a show. Could've ended around 2-3
He could have choked out Fitch numerous times after knocking him to the ground.
GSP keeps fighting bigger guys in Welter, Penn keeps fighting lightweights…GSP will have advantage.
If you spend a year training with a 75LBS punching bag, I don't care how hard you can hit it, once you go to 100LBS bag…its gonna be a difference.
November 23, 2008 at 2:56 am
gsp will win this fight he will jab the get out of range much like he did for most of the finch fight this will wear penn down and then gsp will take penn down at will pass guard and tko penn in round 3 or 4.
November 25, 2008 at 10:18 pm
i don't know how people are saying they don't have knockout power i will give you $20 to get hit by either of them. people should just see it as easily the best fight in a few years. just my thoughts thanks.
January 17, 2009 at 4:08 am
BJ..!!!!!!!!! ALL DA WAY, baby…..we love you bj, from BIG ISLAND……:P…by da way i'm all in $$$..
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