UFC 97: Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 Possible in April



UFC President Dana White mentioned to FightersOnly magazine, that the highly anticipated UFC heavyweight unification bout between Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir could happen as early as April, possibly at UFC 97.

“Mir took little damage in his fight with Nog, and Lesnar wants to fight him soon, so April may be the time and place for that. It will be good,”

White also called the series of heavyweight fights a “Tournament”. The UFC heavyweight belt was broken up after Randy Coutures left the UFC only to return and lose his belt to Brock Lesnar at UFC 91.


  1. Ryosuke

    January 6, 2009 at 5:07 am

    ok… lesnar come on mtf kill lesnar please and make me happy :D

  2. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 5:18 am

    Based upon how their last fights were both men have improved significantly more so Lesnar i would say but than again he is always improving. Mir looked great in his last fight but i still dont think he can stand with Lesnar and exchange blows for long before he goes down and Lesnar will be more knowledgable and respectfull of Mirs sub skills to let that happen knowingly again but that could happen. Lesnar is still the Fav is this fight due to his overall size, speed, strenght, conditioning and his ability to adapt quickly. We all know Mir is Famous for his lack of Conditioning nad staying focused. I hope that Lesnar winning the title doesnt go to his head per say and loses even a tad bit of focus during training camp but i dont think so as he still acknowledges he is new to the sport and is learning everyday. Mir is the one in trouble in this fight as he cant stop the takedown and couldnt stand with lesnar wether he tripped or got punched he still went down easily but it seems Mir has work on his standup so that will be interesting to see and although Subs are in Mir's favor Lesnar is explosive with G&P and i dont see Lesnar making the same mistake in the first fight…i just hope Mazzegati isnt the ref again…that ref sucks but i have to admit he is getting better.

  3. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 5:21 am

    Correction Mir's lack of conditioning and lack of focus.

  4. roy

    January 6, 2009 at 5:29 am

    lesnar should win this one, i still am not sure about mir yeah he beat nog and that shocked even though nog was sick i still could beleave how he beat him.but even with that win i think lesnar will be to much for him.i agree tim i hope lesnar has not lost any focus or drive because that probally the only thing that could keep him from going real far in this sport.

  5. steve

    January 6, 2009 at 5:39 am

    I dont think all u brock fans are gonna like the ending of this fight. Lesnar tapping again. Lesnar could train for 10 yrs and still not be close to as good as ir on the ground and still would get sub'd. Mir was much more impressive in his last fight then Lesnar was in his. So I am going with Mir again. I think Mir will expose how slow and bad Lesnar is on the feet then lesnar will bull rush him get the takedown and get sub'd again.

  6. roy

    January 6, 2009 at 5:45 am

    i hope thats true steve but i don't see it going that way, lesnar stood with randy who is a better boxer than mir and took his punch and ended the fight with his.i could see mir pulling out a sub but i am sure thats all lesnar needs to look for from mir if he can avoid that he will win this fight easy even.

  7. Shogun of Harlem

    January 6, 2009 at 6:06 am

    I would like to see Mir win but I am leaning towards Lesner. Lesner is very agressive and i dont see him falling into the same mistakes that he made in the last fight. I just dont think Mir can handle Lesners pure size and natural aggression. Also Lesner has a very very very good wrestling background. That said with years of experience and more training, Lesner will be a force to be wreckened with.

  8. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 6:48 am

    In regards to it taking Lesnar 10 years to become as good at Subs as Mir will…well i assume you dont know but Brock has put a heavy emphasis on BJJ and even brought in Seven-time BJJ world champion and renown Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros during his training camp at UFC 87, and everyone there considers brock to be equivalent to a purple belt in BJJ now. While that is not the caliber as Mir is it still means something coming from a BJJ legend and multiple time champ dont you think? And just like you saying it would take 10 years for Brock to be at the BJJ level as Mir is, it would take 0ver 20 years for Mir to be as good as a wrestler as Brock. Now on how slow you say Lesnar is on his feet….Come on the man wieghs 280lbs and is extremely agile and fast for a man that posses his overall Size and strength…the man took Mir apart in their first fight wether you choose to agree or not byt for the first 80 seconds of that fight Lesnar dominated Mir with Jabs and takedowns and G&P and if it wasnt for the Ref this could be Mir's Revenge oppurtunity…I will say it again what makes Brock very dangerous isnt his overall Skills as those are to new its his overall ability to dominate you with his Size, Speed, Strenght, wrestling, takedowns, Heavy/Large Hands and most importantly conditioning…never has the MMA world seen a HWGHT fighter like this that weighs 280lbs and moves like a lightweight and thats not just my opinion thats most of the MMA analysts as well that write articles. While Lesnar is far from invicible…he may very well hold onto his title for the rest of this year and beyond the man just better with each fight and that is mightly scarry for a man with his natural abilities.

  9. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 6:52 am

    Overall this should be a great fight and i hope that both fighters bring their best into the fight. Cant wait. And on another note there is not shame in tapping to a sub but there is shame in being KTFO in my opinion as i would rather say as an example…i lost by Sub 3 times to being KO 3 times.

  10. whodini

    January 6, 2009 at 7:15 am

    i would love to see Mir take him out with another ankle lock wouldn't that be cool /….lol now that would be funny

  11. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 8:08 am

    LOL in all due respect that would be funny if that happened again…but due to the new experience factor that Brock has gained he is much more calm and collected now than when he was his first fight and remember now matter what you say Mir won that that by a rookie mistake and Lesnar showed nothing but pure and utter dominance on Mir…so nuless something drastically has changed on Mir's part either he gained super wrestling abilities to counter Lesnar or he has gained KO power i dont see Mir winning this fight..its just not in his favor and the only way he will win is by Submission which could happen but i have two thoughts at this time about the ending of this fight…Lesnar wins via G&P Round 2…or Lesnar wins via RNC in round 3…most likley by G&P but wouldnt it be funny and great if Lesnar Won by Knee Bar…now that would be histarical although i would like to see some Submission offense skills from Lesnar by the end of this year…by i understand this is a mental game and i am sure he will have a great game plan to try and keep the fight standing and either KO Mir or take him down as in firt fight and G&P for the win.

  12. fedor24

    January 6, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Brock doesn't need to be a submission expert. Just needs basic subs and more importantly sub defense as this is the way most fighters are going to try to beat him. He can learn from Fedor's style. Fedor has very heavy hands but not a lot of ko's. when he hurts an opponent he looks for a sub. When a fighter is hurt almost any quality fighter can get a choke or an armbar sunk in. I think both subs and KO's are equally devasting finishes. Brock's bjj will look great if he rocks someone and finishes with a choke instead of gnp. If he figures this out he will be very hard to beat.

  13. dane drebin

    January 6, 2009 at 8:40 am

    did u guys hear that brock is going to go train at xtreme couture? watch out mir brocks gunna be way better than last time.

  14. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 8:47 am

    I agree…..and i am sure Brock has figured this out and is training on both aspects of Submission Offense and Defense. If Fedor is nothing short of a Legend in MMA he is surely a role model fight wise that is to look up to…Yes i said it folks….Brocks only had 4 fights….still very new to the sport and only 2 1/2 years now of training maybe 3…i am sure everything will come together as one for him down the road but in the meantime he is focusing on what he is good at and using that to his advantage and if a Sub happens to be there he will try for it…Heck he did try for one against Heath but he wouldnt let him have it..that goes to show you how tough Heath is. I love the G&P from Lesnar and the KO's but i would like to see him Submit fighters as well…it doesnt have to happen now but as fedor24 said Brock’s bjj will look great if he rocks someone and finishes with a choke instead of gnp. If he figures this out he will be very hard to beat. A fighter with the Raw skills and Natural ablities combined with Size, Speed, Strenght, Conditioning, Wrestling and basic boxing and some Submission offense and Defense and being able to utlize it fluently during fights will be one hell of a fighter and a tough SOB to beat…just image Lesnar with all that and being very very comfortable at any time during a fight accomplishing any one of those. That is basically a Much Bigger Version of Fedor.

  15. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Dan Drebin are you serious?

  16. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 9:23 am

    I heard nothing of that…your screwing with us or me on that one.

  17. Shogun of Harlem

    January 6, 2009 at 10:52 am

    If Lesner beats Mir which i am more than 90% sure he will. I think Lesner is going to keep that title belt for a long long while. If he beat, Nog., Randy C. and then beats Mir who else is there really in the heavy weight division for him to battle with. I really dont see him having in problems with Gonzaga either.

  18. roy

    January 6, 2009 at 11:02 am

    the only ones would be gonzaga,carwin,and the other big wrestler can't think of his name.i think gonzaga would have a good chance bjj black belt with alot of power in his striking not that he would win but i think those are the only three that would be capable of doing it.

  19. dane drebin

    January 6, 2009 at 11:19 am

    go to sherdog.com its the main page do u never visit there it always has the latest news

  20. fedor24

    January 6, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Good point Tim. Lesnar could be developing into a 280lb Fedor. That's scary. The hvwt division of the UFC is a little thin now. Brock could clean it out in a year or two but there are always new fighters coming and going so the landscape could change real quick. Brock can only beat the guys he has available to fight in the UFC. Just like Fedor can only fight the guys available who are not in the UFC. Gonzaga and Mir are the only 2 guys who can compete with Brock in the UFC. Kinda like Fedor, what happens after the next 2 fights(if they win)?

  21. whodini

    January 6, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    i agree tim…but i gave him the same chances in the first fight .im supprised he took those sledge hammwers from him in.the first fight when he was on top ….i am a Mir fan… but …im like a pride fan as long as he puts in a good effort and doesnt suck too bad …im still good with him,,,win or lose

  22. Ryan S

    January 6, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    If Lesnar is working on BJJ, I think that is not good for Mir at all. Mir has a lot of experience and time training over Lesnar, but I am pretty positive that Lesnar can pick up on fight training pretty fast. If his defense is good, Mir might not be able to bring it to the ground to his advantage, and Lesnar could get the knockout. It would be some shit if he subs Mir. I don't think Mir is going to take this fight lightly though and I hope he will fight like a hungry contender should. Either way, I'm excited and it will be good.

  23. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Thanks Everyone, Mir as we all know is one cocky SOB wether he takes this fight lightly or not isnt the question. Its wether he can find a way around the freak of nature lesnar..first time around Lesnar beat himself but he was a real rookie then now with some cage time under his belt and some more training i do not think Mir stands a great deal of a chance against him…but Mir shocked us all in his last fight although i was hoping he would win to set us a revenge match. i heard that NOG had the flu like 3 days prior to the fight but due to him being such a hard ass he didnt back out which would explain why he wasnt up to par that night but either way the better man won that night. I see Lesnar's problems as Velazquez, Carwin, Gonzaga and maybe even Kongo…remember on any night a fighter can lose…every fight is tough win or lose especially for a man in his 5th MMA fight ever and going forward its constantly a learning experience and its not like Lesnar took the get your feet wet route either…he went strait in and stood head to head to some great fighters in his 3 UFC fights. Win or lose is the same for me as long as Lesnar puts on a good show and fights i am happy as i know as long as he keeps training and developing he can go a long way in this sport. I know about Sherdog i just havent been on it lately… Thanks fedor 24 i knew you would love the statement of Lesnar turning into a 280lb Fedor ,2009 should be a great year for MMA…i hope both Mir and Lesnar bring their A game i want to see a war with the best man winning.

  24. kom34

    January 6, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    i think mir needs to try to get lesnar to the ground and work from in his guard. no matter where lesnar trains at i'm sure mirs experience will let him pass lesnars guard and work to a dominant position to pound or better yet go for a submission.

    other than that i see lesnar dominating the feet, clinch, and being on top in the ground game.

  25. Tim

    January 6, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    No shit Lesnar made an attempt to contact Randy about Training for ahwile at Xtreme Couture…that would be a smart move…and props to Couture for giving the nod and the welcome for him…if that does happen i could see this being the start of a great friendship…lol…

    Key thing can Mir take Lesnar down before Lesnar takes Mir down…i dont think so but we will have to wait and see..we all know both mens abilities and lack of per say…should be a great fight….April cant come soon enough.

  26. tom

    January 6, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    you cant even think this fight will be the same fight…you cant even compare them 2 because Mir is looking good AND A LOT BETTER same to brock but idk i see a sub win but who knows brock might keep it standing

  27. STEVEO

    January 6, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    i think this should be a great fight, ALOT of emotion for both these guys. Mir wants to prove it wasnt a fluke and Lesnar wants to prove that it was. I think Lesnar has become a more patient rounded fighter and seems to be improving daily especially if hes training with Randy. Mir looked really good in his fight against nog but nog also looked really bad so I am not usre what to make of it, I say lesnar tko early third round.

  28. Tim

    January 7, 2009 at 2:01 am

    Well first off Lesnar is too powerfull for Mir to get an upper body submission as we all saw what occurred when he tried 2 arm bar attempts…Lesnar brok out of them and theoreticlly torn Mir's arms off in the process…Again the only way Mir will win is if Lesnar beats himself and again makes a rookie mistake. But never say never….as i have learned in MMA.

  29. Nate Fury

    January 7, 2009 at 6:44 am

    The sooner the better for this fight to happen. I don't think Lesnar will make the same mistake twice with Mir. Also, I would like to see Randy Couture fight Nog on this card as well. Would make for a huge card.

  30. Tim

    January 7, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Yeah i would love to see Randy vs Nog and if Lesnar ends up training at Extreme Couture you better bet that both of these men will become a better fighter by camp end.

  31. Shogun of Harlem

    January 7, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Dana white needs to get more heavyweights in the UFC. The heavyweight division is not a exciting as the other divisions.

  32. Tim

    January 7, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Dude the HWHGT Division is stacked full of HWGHTs but the question is the quality of them, the UFC has more HWGHTS than Affliction given that they have more top notch HWGHTS…the UFC has alot younger ones and these could turn out to be the future of the sport.

    Al Turk Mostapha 6-3-0 6' 2" (188 cm) 242 (110 kg)

    Barry Pat 3-0-0 5' 11" (180 cm) 235 (107 kg)

    Carwin Shane 10-0-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 265 (120 kg)

    Couture Randy 16-7-0 6' 2" (188 cm) 220 (100 kg)

    Dos Santos Junior 7-1-0 6' 4" (193 cm) 238 (108 kg)

    Eilers Justin 9-5-1 6' 1" (185 cm) 235 (107 kg)

    Frazier Zane 0-2-0 6' 6" (198 cm) 230 (104 kg)

    Gonzaga Gabriel 10-3-0 6' 1" (185 cm) 242 (110 kg)

    Gordeau Gerard 2-1-0 6' 5" (196 cm) 215 (98 kg)

    Hardonk Antoni 7-4-0 6' 4" (193 cm) 245 (111 kg)

    Herring Heath 28-14-0 6' 4" (193 cm) 250 (113 kg)

    Kongo Cheick 22-4-1 6' 4" (193 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Lesnar Brock 3-1-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 265 (120 kg)

    McCully Justin 9-4-2 6' 2" (188 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Mir Frank 11-3-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Nogueira Antonio Rodrigo 31-4-1 6' 3" (191 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    O'Brien Jake 10-2-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 230 (104 kg)

    Severn Dan 70-13-7 6' 2" (188 cm) 250 (113 kg)

    Smith Patrick 4-2-0 6' 2" (188 cm) 225 (102 kg)

    Stojnic Denis n/a 265 (120 kg)

    Struve Stefan n/a 265 (120 kg)

    Velasquez Cain 4-0-0 6' 1" (185 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Wellisch Christian 9-3-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 237 (108 kg)

    Wessel Mike 8-1-0 6' 0" (183 cm) 260 (118 kg)

  33. Tim

    January 7, 2009 at 9:39 am

    Oh and info from UFC.com

  34. Tim

    January 7, 2009 at 9:52 am

    But i have to agree its not as exciting as the other divisions

  35. Ryan S

    January 7, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Dude, Tim, Justin Eilers passed away. Anyway though, I think I agree with you Tim. IF Lesnar is working with Randy, he could become even more of a beast on the ground, and on his feet. Even if he is not working with Randy, you know he is still improving his BJJ. The more I think about it, I may be starting to lean for this fight. My impression of Mir changed a lot after the last season of TUF. Like I said though, neither fighter should take the other lightly because I still do think this fight could go both ways. If Mir can stay away from Brock's Hammers and elbows, I think he can get the sub. If Lesnar can keep it on the feet for a while, I could see him wearing Mir down or even getting the knockout. I don't see Mir's improved boxing hurting Lesnar too much.

  36. Tim

    January 7, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Sorry i copied that strait off of the UFC website…i guess they havent noticed either…and thats sad.

    I agree neither fighter should take this lightly and i dont think Lesnar is…Mir on the other hand…well lets just say he has always been cocky and based upon the fact he beat him before he may very well be mentally unprepared for this fight…but i hope its turns into a war…but honestly its probably going to be a KO or TKO in round 1 or 2 in lesnars favor that is but anything can happen.

  37. roy

    January 8, 2009 at 2:15 am

    i am sure they have plenty of hw's but alot of guys on that list don't fight with the ufc anymore.

  38. Tim

    January 8, 2009 at 4:53 am

    Really…then they need to update their website…there slacking on that…

  39. roy

    January 8, 2009 at 5:17 am

    yeah, they have dan severn on there on they cut wellisch not to long ago and some of the names i don't think i have ever seen fight

  40. Tim

    January 8, 2009 at 9:52 am

    I noticed that when i was reading through them…most of them i never heard of before…i didnt notice Wellisch was gone…well Dan Severn damn i havent seen him fight in years…why the hell is he still on the list. Oh well…

  41. Tom

    January 9, 2009 at 4:11 am

    I dont understand why people thin MIR can't stand with lesnar. Randy did it (albeit to no avail) for almost 2 rounds and just got caught. Mir is bigger than Randy and has superir standing and ground work. Mir has a great chance of winning this fight, There is no reason why he shoud be the underdog.

  42. steve

    January 9, 2009 at 4:19 am

    Tom I agree.

  43. roy

    January 9, 2009 at 4:44 am

    i would say mir is bigger than randy but not near as good of a boxer, mir could win this fight but i dout that it would be from standing with lesnar, mir looked good throwing those 3 punch combos over and over but nog had no movement and got rocked right away and was no threat punching back at the time so it was easy for mir to continue to throw them.

  44. Ryan S

    January 9, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Mir definately doesn't have the boxing skills in my opinion and I think it will be hard to drop Lesnar with that thick ass neck. Those neck muscles are going to help him keep his head stable, so those chin shots aren't going to be as effective. Thats what I based that off of. I still think Mir can sub. him. Not to mention, Roy, but didn't you say Nog was getting over the flu? Someone said that. It's hard to say that Mir looked much better in that fight after learning something like that

  45. dane drebin

    January 9, 2009 at 9:22 am

    ya i dont know where u guys are getting mir is a better boxer than randy from please explain. yes his striking was looking crisp in the nog fight but when else ahs it looked good exept for that one knockout over a nobody. 1 good performance doesnt erase all the other times his standup has looked bad. randy is consistent and is always good on the feet.

  46. roy

    January 9, 2009 at 9:31 am

    nog was not getting over the flu he had a very bad staph infection and could not train he was out of shape fat and looked slow, i don't know if he fought for the fans our he bought into the fact that not many peole gave mir a chance maybe both, he never let this out and gave mir his props and nog is a class act, dana had to come out and say it nog never told anyone.

  47. roy

    January 9, 2009 at 9:36 am

    heres from the article

    UFC President Dana White recently revealed that Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira had recently recovered from a staff infection heading into his TKO loss to Frank Mir last Saturday.

    To Nogueira's credit, the fighter didn't mention any of this to fans or media during post fight interviews.

    “Nogueira had some other problems too[…]," White told The Carmichael Dave Show.

  48. Tim

    January 9, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    I was one that said that but only after someone else wrote it as well…i thought he looked it bit out of it at times and not really in the fight per say if you know what i mean i know he is a cautious fighter but man he look bad. Give Mir credit though he earned the victory wether Nog was feeling good or not but Mir's boxing hasnt gotten better just because of one fight or training camp…remember Mir is notorious for being cocky at times and not being conditioned…one thing is for sure Lesnar can out condition him in more areas than one, Lesnar has a reach advantage where Heath found out very quickly about and Randy said Lesnar is very tough to deal with as to not so much his size but combine that with strength and his speed and reach and the guy can throw a punch and you think you dodge it but it ends up hitting you on the side of your head anyways…its hard to get away from someone with reach. If Lesnar truly trains at Extreme for a bit…damn watch out UFC and Mir….I honestly do not think Mir can stand with Lesnar and exchange punches for long…Randy was much quicker and he had his wrestling behind him to counter some of Lesnars abilities…Mir has none of that…while anything can happen i see Lesnar getting his revenge. I just hope both fighters bring their A game into this fight…i wouldnt mind seeing a war for 5 rounds….but realisticly this fight will End by the 2nd round…it would be funny if Lesnar finished it with a Sub better yet a knee lock….while its unlikely it could happen…i am hoping for a Sub victory from Lesnar.

  49. Pat

    January 10, 2009 at 8:14 am

    I knew in Lesnar v Mir I that Mir would win. But after the fight started, Frank didn't have a chance until the ref screwed Brock over. He might as well have been a practice dummy. Frank might be cocky, but he knows what Brock is capable of and that he has been training. Assuming Mazagatti (sp?) isn't the ref again, this should be a good fight.

  50. Chris Tinney

    January 10, 2009 at 9:36 am

    wow pat. i forgot that the point taken away had ne effect on a submission. he tapped him and he"ll do it agian. learn the sport bro.

  51. whodini

    January 10, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    good one Tim …thats been Mirs m.o, for years i think he sees the light now ..but as you say …how long can he stand in there and take it ? we'll see for sure

  52. dane drebin

    January 11, 2009 at 5:16 am

    STEVE that pic at the top of this sure oooks like a kneebar. but im sure ur right it was the dreaded FOOTLOCK! a move u say cant do any damage right? i guess the ufc website that says mir won by KNEEBAR is wrong. i guess every new article that says mir won by KNEEBAR is wrong. and i guess sherdog fight finder that has every mma fighters wins and loses and how they won or lost is wrong aswell. if you think mir couldnt have seriously injured brock with that knee bar ur dilusional.

  53. Morey

    January 11, 2009 at 7:49 am

    When I saw it the first time I thought it was a footlock too. Anyone who's ever been caught in that, it is such a powerful move. You can really hurt someone by cranking even just one inch. I've had a small pop on my knee from an ankle lock before and it happened with just a little crank.

    But Mir did win by transitioning into a kneebar. It takes a while of cranking to actually pop someones knee out because the knee is so strong. But if you do that then its safe to say the other guy will never quite be the same. Its one move that I hate to see someone trying to be brave in so I'm glad Brock tapped quickly.

  54. dane drebin

    January 12, 2009 at 8:16 am

    still waiting for steve to admit lesnar lost by kneebar

  55. steve

    January 12, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Calm down Dane. We all know ur a badass. I dont really care what he tapped out by. He still lost and if Bas Rutten says a footlock doesnt do much damage and that it is more painful than anything ill go with that. Since he is an expert in submissions. Maybe it was a kneebar. Like I said it dont change that he lost. And we lose agin:)

  56. dane drebin

    January 12, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    ahhhhh u just never admit that ur wrong ever dude lose the ego for once in ur life

    and brocks gunna smash mir bet on it ;)

  57. steve

    January 12, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Hope u didnt bet on it the first time haha.

  58. Tim

    January 13, 2009 at 6:22 am

    Steve…Seriously what makes you so sure that Lesnar will Lose…If the last fight was an indication it was the Lesnar demolished Mir in his 2nd MMA fight ever and first in the UFC with only 1 years worth of training..Sure he lost via KneeBar but as i always say there is not shame in tapping to a sub..and if it wastn for the Ref Stoppage who knows who would of won but based upon how the fight was going i would have to say that the Ref stoppage clearly went in Mir's favor and turned things around for him and then caught a ROOKIE at the time in a Kneebar before being creamed for 80 secongs of the fight. Lesnar has since gotten extremely more confident in every aspect of MMA although he is still new to the sport being said based upon last fight on what occurred…what makes you so sure Mir can stand with Lessnar? As he sure stood up to him in the first fight didnt he…LOL what makes you so sure he can stop the takedowns? as he sure did that too didnt he…LOL…what makes you so sure Lesnar will again make a rookie mistake…Not likely but could happen…the only Way Mir will win is by Submission and due to the previous fight i think Lesnar will be on the look out for those and be more cautious when exploiting his limbs…Shit Lesnar wins by Knee Bar on Mir…now wouldnt that be revenge…but seriously that could happen but more realisticly 2nd round G&P i look for lesnar to be alot more calm and do the same to Randy in his fight pick his spots and take down at will and G&P and when things get a bit out of his comfort level…he stands up and backs off…letting the fight go back to the feet as Mir can not stand with Lesnar…and i would be shocked to see him do so and take punch after punch without going down. Mir is extremely out of his realm in this fight just like the last fight except this time the guy he is facing has alot more skill and calmness to him than before..not to mention if Brock trains with Randy…thats just more icing on the cake per say…I just dont see how you think Mir is going to walk all over Lesnar…please explain…i need a good laugh.

  59. kevin

    January 13, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    i dont think any of you have really considered how much quicker mir is than lesnar and how much more powerful mir has become over the past year watch his fights you will see. and mirs black belt in bjj woill beat lesnar on the ground anyday. however im not saying that mir is defiantly going to win as he likewise has become a much better fighter and is not likely going to want to take the fight to the ground and even though mir is strong he still cant match the power of lesnar. it will be a good fight

  60. dane drebin

    January 13, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    tim- pigs will fly the day lesnar beats mir with a knee bar. its just not gunna happen.

    Kevin- what evidence do you have that mir is faster than lesnar? lesnar is freakishly fast for his size. if he was so slow he wouldnt have knocked herring on his ass, mir on his ass, and knock randy out. if he was so slow they should have seen his strikes commin and dodged them but none of them did. he's hardly trained in mma for a few years and he is smashing people its pretty impressive. mir has 1 knockout besides nog in his entire career he's not some elite striker. i just dont see why u think mir is faster. how is he faster in what aspect? im sure hes faster with subs but thats about it. if u dont believe me go look up his times in the vikings training camp he was like top two in everything. no way mir would have even been accepted in the vikings training camp he's way too slow. i can see steves arguement for mir winning cuz it actually makes sense since he has subbed mir before but saying mir is "much quicker" than lesnar is kind of laughable.

  61. Tim

    January 14, 2009 at 1:35 am

    I meant the kneebar as a joke…it would be histaricle if it happened though. I agree how do you think Mir is quicker than Lesnar when everyone compares Lesnar's speed to a lightweight? Keep in mind in Vivking training camp he was about 300lbs and running the 40 pretty damn fast..the only reason he got cut as the last man on the team to be…was because of his motorcycle accident and he could train so they had to let him go but the viks felt that within another year he could play in the NFL so they wanted him to go to the no defunct NFL europe and play but lesanr turned it down as he wanted to play with the best and he already proved he could. Anyways thats off the subject…seriously Mir will lose unless he subs lesnar again but due to the scenario and game plan i dont think we will see a sub happening at all.

  62. Ali

    January 16, 2009 at 3:58 am

    In a fight, size does not matter. Its about technique. If anyone does grapple or do mma yea size and strength makes up for technique TO AN EXTENT! Mir is better on the ground over all due to experience and technique. Mir's stand up game is better as well. Doing Karate for most of your life makes anyone a dangerous striker. Brock is good a wrestling i will give him that. But i think he cant hang with frank mir in MMA. All around i have mir winning by knockout or submission. O and take a look at brocks last fight. He was wore out in the second round. To much muscle inquires alot of oxygen. Brock will him self out as well. He has gone 5 rounds with someone of mir's Calibur. All around i give the fight to mir. Unllessss brock hits him with a lucky punch like he did with cotour. And yes i said lucky punch cause that punch grazed randy and hit him on the right spot at the right time. But thats what happened in a fight. Frank mir =winner! :)

  63. roy

    January 16, 2009 at 4:35 am

    there wasn't anything lucky about that punch, he threw it and hit him, your right it grazed him and still knocked him out.i don't see mir winning the stand up with brock he didn't in there first fight and brock has only gotten better, mir could win by sub but i dout it.

  64. Tim

    January 16, 2009 at 6:02 am

    I agree Roy, Seriously where do some of you think that Mir is some sort of Godlike Fighter…Mir has the worst conditioning and will not be in better shape overall than Brock will…you obviously have not seen Brock train not to mention he was known in his college wrestling days for being the best conditioned HWGHT. Brock was of breathing hard of course but that doesnt mean he was tired, any fighter would breat hard and let me introduce you to a little secret it having muscle pushes oxygen through the body faster. Bottom line Mir is not in the same league as lesnar is come conditioning and wrestling, and striking well the mans gotten alot better and proved that Mir cant stand with him in his first fight and he grazed Randy with a shot and knocked him flat cold so that shows the power and speed. Mir could win by Sub but its not likely as thats how Lesnar lost before and dont you think he is going to be well prepared for that and have a killer game plan to avoid such another rookie mistake. Lesnar wins 2nd round TKO

  65. thebigguy

    January 20, 2009 at 7:56 am

    hey ali i guess if size doesnt matter then we dont need the lightweight, light heavyweight, or heavyweight divisons. lets just put them all togather and see what happens. sorry but size DOES matter. i mean i dont really see mir throwing lesnar around the ring…after all his hair might get messed up

  66. thebigguy

    January 20, 2009 at 7:59 am

    and on the point of mir being some awesome guy on his feet….id like to see him in a boxing match with randy. my moneys on randy

  67. Tim

    January 20, 2009 at 8:51 am

    And if Randy is training Brock…watch out….thats all i have to say…i hope that does happen it would surely put some more skill in brocks overall game.

  68. fedor24

    January 20, 2009 at 9:01 am

    You are right Tim. Randy's gameplanning and fight preparation are what made him the champion he was. if Brock can emulate that Lesnar will be unstoppable with the current crop of UFC heavys.

  69. Tim

    January 20, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Either way brock will be a force but as you said it help emulate his career to a whole new level, Randy is legen and having a legen teach a man that was or is very similar to him minues the obvious ones will only benefit the champ…it would be a very smart move to move camp to Xtreme Couture if only for 4wks….if not longer

  70. steve

    January 20, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Blah blah blah Tim posting alot on a lesnar blog no way!

    We get it no matter what prediction u make r wrong if u dont say lesnar will win. Even tho he is just 3-1 and lost to Mir the first time. Lesnar just isnt and will never be well rounded. He is boring to watch also. LOL he charged Herring with his head down just like a bull. Lesnar gots one thing going for him. And its that hes built like a gorilla. Now I just wish someone would put him on a lie detector test and ask him if he used streoids lol.

  71. Someone rightly

    January 21, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Mir-Lesnar is going to be one helluva awesome fight and maybe the fight that takes UFC mainstream…GLOBALLY(and not just Japan/Brazil).

    I would say Frank DEFINITELY has the momentum going into the fight against Brock next year. But a lot of points to be noted in favour of both fighters make the next bout a must watch.

    1. Mir outclassed Nog like noone has. Seriously.

    2. Mir is much more better as a striker, boxer and in submission skills than Brock.

    3. Mir has won the previous bout against Brock.

    4. Mir is not 220 pounds like Couture was.

    Now onto Brock Lesnar. I will address him with respect to Fedor who might..might fight him somewhere down the line.

    Yes, Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world. But for all those who dislike Brock and they might have their reasons, they should know that Brock isn’t your average MMA fighter. Underestimate him you may, but I dont know too many guys who without submission skills, without striking or boxing skills would have made it as far as he has. Do you? Let’s not forget that when he faced Mir he almost knocked his lights out in his first UFC bout losing out in the end to what was a rookie mistake. Then, not too many guys would look good in defeat against Mir and then go on to beat Herring and Couture in only their 2nd and 3rd fights. Seriously.. for all those who say that Randy is an old man and had one year off plus a weight disadvantage should ask themselves whether other fighters would’ve been able to do any better against him. Brock Lesnar is a superb athlete with unparalleled conditioning and needless to say a genetic freak. Lastly, You can coach technique but you can’t coach strength and that’s why the arguments above that Lesnar in 2-3 years will be a much more complete fighter are very true.

    There has also been talk of M1 and Affliction wanting to promote a fight between Fedor and Lesnar in collaboration with UFC. All I can say is that it makes NO sense for UFC or Dana to promote the Lesnar-Fedor card AT ALL. I will go on and say that even if M1 gives ALL the revenues to UFC there is not much logic to go for the fight. Brock is selling out events in a gargantuan way and has raised the PPV buy-rate of UFC as well as its merchandise..something acknowledged by Yahoo Sports too. So the guy is a veritable cash cow…. And if he loses to Fedor then that image and the revenue coming from it is really compromised. So essentially the fight doesnt make sense from a long term perspective. Fedor beating Lesnar would be an embarassment to UFC and would surely make a lot of viewers jump to M1 and Affliction. So not only do your No.1 guy lose credibility but the competition gets a serious leg up. UNLESS they can secure Fedor immediately after the fight, Dana cannot allow this fight to take place. Never.

  72. Tim

    January 21, 2009 at 1:53 am

    First off i agree on most, except that Brock losing to Fedor would be detrimental to the UFC…the UFC was great without Brock and will continue on with or without him or any other top fighter…thats just how business and marketing works. Affliction and M-1 can try all they want but they will never be as big as the UFC…i am not syaing the ufc is the best out there but it sure is the most watched. Affliction will be done by years end if they dont make a profit in this Saturdays fight which based upon what i have heard on ticket sales and fighter salaries…i think its good to say that that they will not make a profit.

    How can you say Lesnar is not well Rounded? Hmmm surely he is still very green but doesnt a wreslting base pretty much give you the well rounded base to begin learning and developing new skills…which he has done so…the man has very good boxing skills for someone with only what 3 years of training time now along with being considered a purple belt in BJJ, which honestly i would like to see a sub from him. The man has accomplished and has developed alot in only 4 fights. That comment about bull rushing Herring well if you review the fight you would know that he went for a high knee to the head so i dont know how you would say he had his head down and bull rushed him…get your facts strait…steve. LOL. THe mir lesnar fight you can say all you want the bottom line is take that rookie mistake out of the equation and Brock dominated Mir so whats to say this time around wont be the same since Brock has had a few more fights and alot more training to develop new and existing skills.

  73. Tim

    January 21, 2009 at 1:56 am

    Bottom line Lesnar is still green and with time 2-3 more years he will be a very well rounded fighter.

  74. Someone rightly

    January 24, 2009 at 12:42 am

    Tim, I agree with your points. Absolutely. But I never conjectured that the UFC will close down. You pointed out that the UFC will continue without him. Of course it will. It's run by very able people and has a roster which is often not given due credit for their outstanding pedigree. But I was saying that Brock has been selling out events easily and has also raised the PPV buy-rate. He is a compelling marketing point for them, something even admitted by Frank Mir. Therefore it follows that him losing would cause a considerable dent in UFC's 'prospects' to get more audiences. At stake here is the opportunity of going big time with a marketable athelete that Lesnar is. Not to mention the pulling of professional wrestling audiences who are coming in droves to watch him fight. So, the fight doesn't make much sense in the long term. And certainly noone would like their top guy to lose out to that of another promotion. The impact will only be negative.

  75. steve

    January 24, 2009 at 7:16 am

    Tim Lesnar does not have a well rounded game. Stand up isnt just boxing. And did i watch the Lesnar vs Couture fight. Lesnars boxing is not good at all not only that but he cant kick. U build him up in ur head to where he is a favorite against anyone. He is not well rounded tim. He is also not the most athletic HW. AA ismush more athletic.Think about it. Can Lesnar even throw a high kick? Lesnar can wrestle and out muscle ppl. For Lesnars size of 270 he is the most athletic since there is only 1 guy actually close to him in strength and size in the ufc which is Shane Carwin. Lesnar will be able to beat a lot of guys up but if he wasnt 40 lbs more of muscle I think he would be going 50-50. I know thats an if factor but like I said its my opinion and I cant wait for u to tell me im wrong lol.

  76. dane drebin

    January 24, 2009 at 8:32 am

    ya tim striking isnt just boxing lesnar has to learn low kicks and knees too oh wait he actually fucked heath and randy up with knees and landed low kicks too oops

  77. steve

    January 24, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Ya he looked really good standing against randy and ya he fucked heath herring up. NOT Dane ur a fucking idiot. He landed 1 punch on Herring that pretty much all he did the whole fight standing. The rest he just laid on top of him hammerfisting. And are u saying that he beat the shit out of Randy standing? He landed one punch. I think randy was winning the clinch and striking battle. Actually a lot of ppl think that but ur right he is awesome standing up dane and is a very well rounded fighter. NOT. LMAO I just wish u could see how stupid u sound.

  78. dane drebin

    January 24, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    ya cuz i said all that steve???? i didnt say he looked amazing standing whered u get that from? you said all he does is box and i just said he uses knees very well too. in the clinch he was kneeing randy a lot and on the ground he was kneeing the fuck out of heath. and he landed a couple of good leg kicks on randy. i didnt say he was fucking up randy in the stand up alls im saying is he has more than strong punches he has a really good knees aswell. and he landed more than just a punch on randy he rocked him with a standing elbos aswell that was pretty impressive. now go wipe ur vagina.

  79. David Putnam

    January 30, 2009 at 6:30 am

    I can think of only fighter who can beat Fedor: Brock Lesnar. Too bad, Fedor is not in the UFC and too many easy fighters in Afflication for him.

  80. roy

    January 30, 2009 at 7:06 am

    aa and barnett are not easy fighters for him and most of the ufc guys would be easy too.

  81. Kash

    January 30, 2009 at 9:09 am

    I agree that AA and Barnett are good competition for Fedor. Other than the KO it was looking like a good fight.

  82. steve

    January 30, 2009 at 9:54 am

    Dane I guess u didnt see the lesnar vs couture fight. B/c couture was winning in the clinch and in the stand up. He got caught thats all. He landed some shots flush to lesnars face but doesnt have that much power in his hands. So go back watch the fight and you will see that. Dumbass.

  83. dane drebin

    January 30, 2009 at 11:23 am

    lesnar's not a refined striker by anymeans couture has far better technique but for someone who is really new to the game he has proved a lot of the nay sayers wrong who said he was just gunna be giant boring wet blanket. i never said his clinch was better than randys but it was pretty even he kept landing good knees to randy's gut and he threw a good elbow standing that rocked randy. it was pretty even up until randy got caught. Randy was doing awesome for being so outsized. i love randy hes awesome. Lesnarss got really long reach and devastating power. his knees are brutal aswell thats all i was saying and thats all im gunna say im done with this.

  84. bgtl16

    February 2, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    lesnar will dismantel mir he had him beat the first fight and let his inexperiance get the best of him. lesnar is hugery and wants to prove that he is the real deal.i just wish i could have seen him on the football field.

  85. Bill RIch

    February 26, 2009 at 7:41 am

    You guys are crazy to think a fluke like Mir will beat Lesnar again, Lesnar definitely has the drive and he will most definitely want to avenge his only loss to Mir. I think in this fight you will witness Brock's strength and it will be way to much for him to handle. Brock Is the next big thing, and the future of the UFC heavyweight division, so after the fight all you Brock haters will be in a state of shock

  86. jimmy

    March 6, 2009 at 7:10 am

    There is no way in gods green earth that brock will beat fedor. Standing fedor has the advantage and on the ground go watch all of his fights if your gonna say that. Now when brock gets more fights under his belt and more of an understanding of the game maybe, but right now there is no way. Fedor is barely human he has never lost a fight on one occasion he got a cut and the ref called the fight but fedor fought him again and beat the dog shit outta the guy. FEDOR IS THE BEST POUND FOR POUND FIGHTER just ask anyone he has fought they will tell you, you dont have to believe me.

    FEDOR FOR LIFE BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!

  87. yc

    March 6, 2009 at 7:23 am

    I think we need to see brock pull out some slams, we all know he has the strength to pick up any HW out ther, lol that would be something to see….. brock picking up mir and knocking him out by slam hahaha.

  88. roy

    March 6, 2009 at 7:29 am

    i agree with you on that jimmy brock is not ready for fedor and maybe never, fedor is hands down the best.

  89. jimmy

    March 6, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    All dana has to do to set it up is pay the price for Fedor for 1 fight and we would all see what would happen, but dana dosent want to lose all the marketing he can get with brock still so he is gonna milk this golden lamb for everything it is worth like dana does to everyone of his fighters. Its all about marketing and whats selling now! Otherwise dana would have set up fedor and randy a long time ago he didnt have anybody under randy to market so he couldnt just give randy up at that time, but now he has brock thats why soon i see fedor vs randy in the near future.

    I dont want anyone to get me wrong though and im not taking anything away from randy he is my second favorite heavyweight but its just the name of the game. It sucks but it is what it is.

  90. DantheMan

    March 16, 2009 at 3:45 am

    you guys are crazy brock would get demolished by arlovski, barnett, carwin, id even like to see him fight someone low on the top 10heavyweights like Kongo cuz i dont think lesnar really has what it takes to beat most of these guys with more experiece.as for mir:Frank's better on his back than Lesnar is in guard or side control. lesnar has way more power but it was proved that power doesnt mean as much ass technique way back in the first few UFC (gracie). I could definitly see mir winning by KO as ridiculous as it sounds because his standup technique is improving to the point were the only thing wrong is hes still a lil slow. anyway we really need to see affliction and ufc meet so brock can fight more worthy opponents because i need to see if my theorys are correct.

  91. roy

    March 16, 2009 at 4:13 am

    i agree with you to a point dan, styles make fights and i could see lesnar doing good against kongo or even arlovski if he got him down, but he could have problems with guys like carwin,gabe,barnett and of course fedor.but it will be interesting to see how he does.

  92. hakeem

    March 27, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    brock will mess him up mir cant stand with him and if lesnar is smart he wont go to the ground with him he should do what frank mir did in his last fight knock him down and make him get back up i just hope mir is bleeding hes so cocky at the end of his last he said he was gonna make lesnar famous for the postion he breaks him in so well have to see but gooooooooo lesnarrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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