UFC 97 ‘Redemption’ Silva vs Leites Results LIVE

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UFC 97 “Redemption” set for April 18th, from the Bell Centre in Montreal Quebec, Canada. Headlining the card will be UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva talking on Thales Leites. In the co-main event, “The Iceman” Chuck Liddell will finally get his chance at former PRIDE veteran Mauricio “Shogun” Rua.

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Results After the Jump

MAIN CARD

  • Anderson Silva vs. Thales Leites
    Result: Anderson Silva defeats Thales Leites via Unanimous Decision. (49-46, 48-47, 50-46)
  • Sam Stout vs. Matt Wiman
    Result: Sam Stout defeats Matt Wiman via Unanimous Decision. (29-28, x3)
  • Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Shogun Rua
    Result: Mauricio Rua defeats Chuck Liddell via TKO (Strikes) at 4:28 of R1.

  • Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Brian Stann
    Result: Krzysztof Soszynski defeats Brian Stann via Submission (Kimura) at 3:53 of R1.

  • Cheick Kongo vs. Antoni Hardonk
    Result: Cheick Kongo defeats Antoni Hardonk via TKO (Strikes) at 2:29 of R2.
  • Luis Cane vs. Steve Cantwell
    Result: Luis Cane defeats Steve Cantwell via Unanimous Decision. (29-28, 30-27 x2)

PRELIMINARY CARD

  • Denis Kang vs. Xavier Foupa-Pokum
    Result: Denis Kang defeats Xavier Foupa-Pokam via Unanimous Decision. (30-27 x3)
  • Jason MacDonald vs. Nate Quarry
    Result: Nate Quarry defeats Jason MacDonald via TKO (Strikes) at 2:27 of R1.
  • David Loiseau vs. Ed Herman
    Result: Ed Herman defeats David Loiseau via Unanimous Decision. (30-26, 30-27 x2)
  • David Bielkheden vs. Mark Bocek
    Result: Mark Bocek defeats David Bielkheden via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) at 4:57 of R1.
  • Ryo Chonan vs. T.J. Grant
    Result: T.J. Grant defeats Ryo Chonan via Split Decision. (30-27, 28-29, 29-28)
  • Eliot Marshall vs. Vinicius Magalhaes
    Result: Eliot Marshall defeats Vinicius Magalhaes via Unanimous Decision, (29-28, 30-27 x2).

90 Comments

  1. tom

    March 30, 2009 at 1:42 am

    i like love every fight but the 2 main Fights..hA

    Luis Cane vs. Steve Cantwell AND Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Brian Stann..really cant wait for those fight

    I hope Nate Quarrry gets a good win

    David Loiseau vs. Ed Herman I think Ed will win but I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD FIGHT..

    Sam Stout vs. Matt Wiman —-Sam all the way

  2. roy

    March 30, 2009 at 1:46 am

    i think this is a pretty good card except that what have krysztof and stan done to be on the main card, there are some great fights on the undercard that should replace it

    Denis Kang vs. Xavier Foupa-Pokum

    Jason MacDonald vs. Nate Quarry

    David Loiseau vs. Ed Herman

  3. steve

    March 30, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    I really hope they show Kangs fight after he ends it quick.

  4. derek

    April 18, 2009 at 10:26 am

    luis cane is VERY underrated. i think he can beat anderson silva. he will win this fight tonight, no doubt.

  5. Karlo

    April 18, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Damn, chuck lost, I thought he was going into this fight more aggressive but defensive as well, he got too aggressive and got cought, I think this may very well be the end of the Iceman on the UFC. He's bound to get other offers though, hope to see him fight again.

  6. Luke

    April 18, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Its a shame to see Chuck Liddell go down like that, but i kinda expected it. His chin isn't what it once was and he never evolved enough to keep up with the level in the UFC 205lb division. I really hope he retires, continuing can only dent his legacy.

  7. tom

    April 18, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    sam sout vs melvin g would be badass

    fuck yea nate won

    can'twell should go 185

  8. tom

    April 18, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    chuck should stop..out of 5 fights hrs just won 1 and 3 of the lostes were by sick knock outs

  9. Sam

    April 18, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Wiman got ripped

  10. CagE

    April 18, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    was hoping to watch the Quarry vs. MacDonald fight on the PPV.

  11. steve

    April 18, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    I told you guys Chuck was gonna get KO'd. Shugon is way better and chuck is way overrated. He cant strike with the best strikers. He can only beat the guys who have bad stand up. Also I said that Chuck was gonna have the same D with his hands down and get caught. Hell yes I am so fucking happy. Thx for proving me right Shogun. CHUCK GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT AGAIN!!!

  12. steve

    April 18, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Well I may have patted myself on the back a little too much there. I just got sick of people saying Chuck is a very good striker.

  13. shawn

    April 18, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    steve i give u credit chuck did get caught and knocked out but if u got in the ring u wouldnt last 2 sec with the worst striker in the world chuck is a legend in the sport hes the reoson the ufc is where it is cause of him so fuck u dude

  14. roy

    April 18, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    don't take it so personal shawn, if rua got knocked out i don't think you would be complaining.steve was one of the few who know shogun was the better fighter i hate to see chuck go out like that but he has knocked out plenty of people and had a great career i hope he fights at least once more and goes out on a win.

  15. shawn

    April 18, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    i aint but damn he acted like he knew for a fact thst chuck was goin to get knocked out chuck could of as easily caught him and kocked him out u dont know whats goin to happen until it happens

  16. Miko

    April 18, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    I feel bad for Chuck but I'm more happy for RUA.

    He came out looking almost like he did in pride.

    We all know if Rua lost this fight, even if he looked good he would have been ousted and Dana would have gloated saying pride guys are shit and they would have been talking some crazy shit about chuck being a contender again.

    This way, Rua stays and gets a better fight and better money next time and chuck isn't going anywhere.

    IF he retires they'll bring him back in a year just like they did with Couture.

  17. Karlo

    April 18, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Leites disappointed me sooo much, every time silva was being aggressive, he went to the ground, I understand you have to play to you're strengths but this was annoying, the booing from the crowd was demoralizing.

  18. steve

    April 18, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Shawn dont get all hurt and start crying. I would think you would be use to it seeing as how Chuck has got raped so much as of late. Its fans like you that made him so overhyped. You saying he is the greatest. Sorry maybe now you will realize that he is in fact overrated. Sure I didnt know he was going to get knocked out but then again hmm I guess I did;) Dont worry they will give him a fighter with not so good stand up and he will get a tko. But as far as beating a legit striker. Well you seen what happens when he tries that.

  19. shawn

    April 18, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    dude fuck u u son of a bitch

  20. Oswald Gobblecock

    April 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Steve, Chuck's not overrated… he's past his prime. Learn the difference. lol Plus the sport has evolved.

  21. dane drebin

    April 18, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    ya man we all saw wat happens when he faces a legit striker like wandy, vitor and overeem he beat all three. chuck isnt over rated he is just old and he used to be able to take bombs while giving it back but his chin is gone and its a sad thing to watch. chucks a pioneer of the sport and i was very sad to see him lose. My hat is off to shogun for comming in shape and looking awesome tonight i definetly proved me wrong but chuck looked just as good until he got knocked out. it sucks chuck used to have a way good chin but now it seems like he gets knocked out so much easier. Shogun has a bright future ahead of him but dont act like shogun dominated chuck it was very even up until the knockout. maybe chuck should pull a Randy and fight heavyweight… he might be able to dodge those slow punches but then again if a good heavyweight connects it might be the first death in mma. it was depressing to see chuck get put down like that.

  22. tom

    April 18, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    u really want to nate and ed fight..

  23. Ryan S

    April 19, 2009 at 1:03 am

    Dane, I think that would be a horrible idea because the heavyweights are starting to get better with more talent. I have to agree with Steve, I was pretty positive that Chuck was going to get clipped. He is done, but there is nothing wrong with that, he just doesn't have it anymore. He did catch Rua a couple times though with some good shots. Shawn, damn, is chuck your uncle? Calm down. I think Chuck is kind of overrated now. He wasn't before because he was backing up his reputation, but he can't do that anymore, however people still think he can. Thats what makes him overrated now. Stil though, he would probably be a walk-on at any other organization if UFC drops him, and he would probably do good there.

  24. Tim

    April 19, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Anderson schooled Thales big time, some called it a borning fight but you cant blame Silva for this one Leites backed up and dropped several times lookingfor a sweep, he was overmatched and Silva played with him big time. Silva is the best fighter in the world today period end of story, those were some sick knee strikes and i have never seen someone throw a punch at a knee before or that backdoor leg strike….plain sick and scarry if this guy is really this good i dont know who is going to stop him he is definetly in his prime a GSP match out only seems just a matter of time, this fight would make history with 2 fighters in their prime and currently at their best would be sick to see and to me that fight wouldnt matter who wins or loses just seeing two fighters at their prime and at their best with so much talent would just be great to watch either way.

    Liddel is past his prime and i agree he needs to retire as he will always be a big draw for a card, but Dana cant keep putting him on cards when he loses but i have to say this wasnt all that bad of a fight for chuck he actualy looked good and i am not a chuck fan i respect the man by every means he just got caught once again. He is 39…and is not a randy couture, in order for liddell to keep fighting he has to want it deep down and frankly i dont think he does, not to mention he has nothing else to prove unless its he can be the next couture. Chuck would get toyed with at heavywieght their are too many good fighters with overall much better skills, chuck is a stand up fighter which i love but when your facing a generation thats so versatile its just a matter of time before you have worn out your welcome per say and i am sorry but chuck has worn out his welcome with his constant lack of performace although i did state he actually looked good in this fight until he got Ko'd and i cant believe they called that eh TKO…he was out all the way. best of luck to chuck he made his millions and should enjoy life.

  25. Ryan S

    April 19, 2009 at 1:09 am

    And Dane, you're right, he has faced, and defeated, some great strikers, but that was a while ago. Wandy came to a decision, so I can't say anything about that, but that Vitor fight was 7 years ago and when did he fight overeem?

  26. Andre

    April 19, 2009 at 1:10 am

    i Just want to say that shogun vs chuck was a great fight it seems that for shogun switching camps was a good idea he looked sharp and well conditioned his strikes were accurate the knock out was perfectly timed Shogun has earned the bonus his next fight should be against Rampage so he can then get a title shot against the winner of Evans / Machita. and in my opinion this should have been the main event , Silvas fight was a let down Leites did'nt look like fighter fighting for the belt .

  27. Nichole Lesniak

    April 19, 2009 at 1:11 am

    You're right, Chuck's not Randy…Chuck has a better record.

    Otherwise, I agree with you 100% Tim. You can't blame Silva. Leites virtually refused to engage (with the exception of R2). How you can fight someone who doesn't want to fight?

    And I'm so sick of fans booing because it's not an "exciting" fight. To me, those are NOT real fans.

  28. Dave

    April 19, 2009 at 2:18 am

    Tim,

    Fedor is way better pound for pound, period. This is a perfect example of how Silva is good but not nearly as dominant in his weight class. Blame it all you want on Leites lack of aggression, Fedor wouldn't need excuses like that. He has enough agression for both fighters and would never let a guy like Leites dictate the intensity of a match like that.

    After seeing this fight, my vote goes Fedor #1 (by far), GSP #2 and Silva #3. Sorry UFC fanatics but I think most MMA fans would agree (not to mention most other fighters).

  29. Nichole Lesniak

    April 19, 2009 at 3:42 am

    I'm on the Fedor wagon and all, but his critics are right. Fedor doesn't fight the best in the world. It's easy to beat chumps. Who has "really" challenged Fedor? At least Silva fights guys who put up a real fight (well, except for maybe Leites).

  30. STEVEO

    April 19, 2009 at 4:15 am

    silvas fight was sad he should have ended this one an Cotes I am done buying fights hes fighting on that was a HUGE letdown as the main event.

  31. Tim

    April 19, 2009 at 4:42 am

    Say all you want, Silva faces all competition the best of his weight class in the world and not of his fights are glamorous but you have to remember this is a business this is the fighters job this is their life and their CAREER, as a fan and mma enthusiast Silva did no wrong in this fight, i understand entertainment but you have to remember one thing the fighter is their to WIN end of story, and if that means putting on a more than less performance so be it, as Fans it sucks but from a fighters perspective fighting a safe fight isnt so bad it just sucks for entertainment. But you cant blame Silva for this, he pressured and tried to engage action and finish Leites but a fighte is only going to put himself into so much danger before he backs out as in sure Silva could of engage Leites on the ground with some G and P, but what if Leites a much better BJJ fighter caught him in a Sub? then what? Silva stuck to his game engaged the action on the feet but Leites did not engage back and that is the problem. Leites should be sent packing for his poor performance…Silva should not be getting criticized for fighting this fight the way he did.

    As for Fedor, he is not the best fighter in the world today…who has he fought AA, a former past his prime fighter from the UFC…Sylvia a piece of shit washed up UFC fighter….Why doesnt Fedor take on Talent…you want to know why because he is the best fighter outside the UFC but Fedor and his management will not deal with Dana and vice versa, Dana wants a contract and they dont, Fedor wants Millions per fight and he isnt worth it, maybe as a total package if he wins plus paperview buys but not a million base per fight which he wants in the UFC…greedy bastard…after what i learned about him and Dana and their failed negotiations i learned one thing Dana is stubborn but Fedor and his people are even more stubborn. If Fedor wanted to prove his status which i dont think he even cares to do, he just wants to keep fighter whoever, but if he truly wanted to he could sign a one fight deal with the UFC exclusively and fight Anderson Silva, GSP , Lesnar etc…dont get me wrong Fedor is great fighter i just think he is dodging the best their is and if he truly wanted to fight the best he and his management wouldnt let a few dollars stand in the way of making a statement to the world.

    Bottom line Silva fights smart but isnt going to risk engaging where he knows someone is better…he is a real fighter entertaining or not you have to respect the man as this is his career and a win is a win no matter how you call it. I would love to see Silva KO all his fights but when someone fails to engage back there isnt much you can do.

  32. Tim

    April 19, 2009 at 4:44 am

    I agree Nicole, there not real Fans there just there to see sick KO's…a true MMA lover knows and loves the sport for what it is…fighting…this isnt the WWE this is legit fighting.

  33. Patrick89

    April 19, 2009 at 5:24 am

    Ryan S, Chuck knocked out Overeem in the same pride middleweight grandprix that he met Jackson for the first time in. Overeem was his first fight before he went against Rampage.

  34. roy

    April 19, 2009 at 5:27 am

    i don't care if people want to say gsp or silva is the better p4p but silva is not facing the best cote,irvin and leites are not the best or top comp, gsp lost to serra tim your crazy if you think it was a past his prime aa, that was aa at his best.i would put gsp ahead of silva he has faced the top ww's and they where legit top guys along with fighting another p4p guy and destroying him his only knock is the loss to serra,who has fedor lost to?

  35. Tim

    April 19, 2009 at 5:40 am

    With all due respect as of right now records dont mean shit..why does everyone always point out records…i am sorry but there different weight classes for a reason…Fedor could most likely never cut down to 185 and Silva could go up to 205 like he has before…fact is put these two at a catch weight and let the best fighter win and honestly have to looked at the skill set of Silva those knee shots would break Fedor knee in due time and his striking ability is far superb shit the man has an undefeated amatuer boxing background, he toys with his opponents…Skill wise Anderson has the best and has been the best fighter withing the last 2 years, hence the 9-0 record in the UFC and 5 title defenses i think it is now…Fedor is one of a kind and so is Silva this fight will never happen so it makes no sense in talking about it. Now the Silva vs GSP fight that will happen and will be awesome to see. Say all you want but Fedor wont fight in the UFC where if you look at your pound for pound ranking out of the top 10…8 of them are with the UFC and WEC hmmm dont you think there is something to this? No disrespect to FEdor as he is a great fighter

  36. steve

    April 19, 2009 at 6:43 am

    Dane those so called great stirkers u say chuck beat. Ok well Overeem was raping him standing but got gassed. Thats how chuck won. He didnt outstrike him. WAnderlei now isnt the same as he was in pride. Wandy has a style like a pitbull. And everyone knows that he would have killed hcuck if chuck could have even got to the championship in pride. But he got beat and Wandy went on to win the tournament. That was when chuck was in his prime. Then in the vitor fightthat was when the stand up game was sloppy. Vitor really doesnt outsrike great strikers either. Besides say Wandy back in the day. So using Vitor as a key win in which chuck didnt finish him doesnt make Chuck a great striker. Sorry but like I said chuck is OVERRATED. All u chuck fans are now saying he was one of the best ever. Yeah b/c look who he fought and beat standing. Guys who werent strikers. It was a good move for the UFC and it got him huge in the USA. People see him knocking people out but they dont know that he is knocking out guys that just arent stand up fighters. Ever since chuck has fought guys that arent afraid to strike with him he has caught the disease narcolepsy. He just keeps going to sleep. Nighty night chuck and I am glad all u guys that love chuck got to see him get fucked up for one last time.

  37. clay

    April 19, 2009 at 6:47 am

    Silva is just as much too blame as Leites! So what he did not want to engage in the standup, Silva did not want to engage in the ground. A total bad matchup for both fighters. Silva won respectably but it does not make me think much of him. Both of those fighters should not be in any main event for a while, I will never pay to watch Silva again.

  38. Schmac

    April 19, 2009 at 6:54 am

    Anderson Silva went from one of the most exciting fighters to just about one of the least exciting fighters (as of late). It's a pity that his gameplan has changed from a fighter who fights to win to one that fights not to lose. He's content to be a dominant fighter rather than a fighter who fights dominantly. I was really hoping that he'd get down to business this fight.

    If you fight a five round bout, everything should be left in the cage, and there isn't a single person on earth that believes that both these fighters gave it their all.

    I don't care who he fights next time, I won't be cheering for Silva. I bet he is sitting at home right now watching his backdoor love tap leg kick on repeat sporting a halfy and a box of kleenex.

  39. steve

    April 19, 2009 at 7:05 am

    Shogun vs Rampage. Winnre gets the winner of Machida vs Evans. The rematch with Rampage and shogun will be badass. Shogun raped him in the first fight but I dont see him raping rampge like that again.

  40. dane drebin

    April 19, 2009 at 7:20 am

    dude steve ur delusional if u think overeem was raping chuck before he chuck knocked him out lmao. chuck was up on points. he was landing the cleaner strikes, scored a takedown with some ground and pound and had sprawled on overeem and landed like 7 knees to overeems head. all overeem did better than chuck was land some good knees to the body. chuck was up on the score cards id ot knwo what your talking about but keep talking out ur ass i guess. And chuck has the most consecutive tko/ko wins in a rown in the ufc, is a for sure future hall of famer and will go down in history as one of the best ufc champions of all times and one of the greatest 205'ers this sport has ever seen whether ur ass agrees or not make no difference to his legacy.

  41. STEVEO

    April 19, 2009 at 8:54 am

    U can call people WWE fans all you want tim but that fight was pathetic, neither was aggressive Leites spent more time on his back killing time than he did actually fighting and Silva didn't even look like he was trying, personally I think hes playing fuckin games with Dana trying to get more money, if he knows he can fuck around and win stop putting guys in title fights just cause they beat a few people, i would rather see him maul rich franklin again than be subjected to that crap at least you know ace is gonna show up and fight not flop.

  42. STEVEO

    April 19, 2009 at 8:55 am

    and since it seems evertone is looking past it cause the Main Event was so sad, I think Kongo gets the winner or lesnar mir for the belt.

  43. Ryan S

    April 19, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Nichole and Steve:

    The way I see it is that Anderson was not really trying too hard to engage either. Clay has a good point, its not like the fight would have been Leites' for the taking on the ground, Silva has good ground skills as well. But a lot of it was just dancing around. Anderson could have rushed in but that barely ever happened. Fighting is their jobs, but dancing around the cage is not what people want to see. If the fighters keep showing people what they do not want to see, then they will be out of a job.

  44. Ryan S

    April 19, 2009 at 9:52 am

    *Nichole and Tim

    Sorry guys, that was supposed to be towards Tim.

  45. roy

    April 19, 2009 at 9:58 am

    tim you say 8 of the 10 best are in the ufc?go check the rankings not for hw and tey might only have 2 or 3 in the lw.sorry fedor has beaten everyone where anderson has lost to cans, i would say a couple fights ago he may have been p4p best but its a thing that chages and his last 3 fights to me where against sub par comp, there are so many guys for him to fight in the ufc but he is not fighting them with his last 3 fights all i can do is move gsp ahead of him and if fedor and anderson ever fought fedor would take him to the ground and kill him.

  46. Businessman

    April 19, 2009 at 11:21 am

    There are so some good points made for GSP, Fedor, and Silva as the best P4P fighter. That is why it is so hard to really pick one. There are so many pros and cons to each one. In my opinion, you have to look at the overall record and what the fighter has done lately. You have to also consider the opponents. In looking at all of that, my vote goes to Fedor. In looking at his overall record, he has only 1 career loss…and that was a loss that should not have been a loss. It should have been ruled a no-contest. That means that Fedor is a near as perfect as anyone with that many fights could be. He has been fighting, what, like 7,8, 9 years and to be virtually undefeated in that amount of time says a lot. if you look at his recent body of work, he has and continues to beat the best. AA was at the top of his game. While I can't stand and knew that Tim would be to slow, Tim was also a top HW in the UFC…So while yes, he has fought some nobodies, he has also beaten Cro Cop (in his prime), Noguera (twice), AA, Tim, etc. He has beaten some top guys out there. In my opinion in looking at GSP's and Silva's careers, they have been solidly beaten in their losses and have more than 1. Saying that someone is the 2nd or 3rd best P4P fighter in the world is not bad, but in my opinion, Fedor is #1.

  47. steve

    April 19, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Okay Dane here is the guys chuck tko/ko in those 7 consecutive stoppages. Now tell me who is a good striker in these names. Beating guys that the ufc gave him that benefited his style.

    Tito Ortiz, Renato Sobral, Randy Couture, Jeremy Horn, Randy Couture, Vernon White, Tito Ortiz. Now look at his last 5 guys he has fought. All strikers.

    Rampage lost, Jardine lost, Wanderlei Won I give him credit but Wandy like chuck didnt evolve. Rashad Lost,

    Shogun Lost. These last 5 names are much beter competition than any of his prvious fights. Hmm pretty telling in my eyes.

  48. steve

    April 19, 2009 at 11:24 am

    excuses are like assholes everyones got one and they all stink Dane. Chucks wasnt too old because he beat Tito just 5 months before he got raped by Rampage the 2nd time. and only 9 months before he lost to Jardine. He got exposed and some of you fans of chucks cant take it. He was never the best striker he just beat the guys who werent strikers. Get it right.

  49. dane drebin

    April 19, 2009 at 11:49 am

    ur annoying me so im gunna keep it short. Im not making any excuses for chuck he lost to shogun. hats off to shogun. if chuck won lastnight i which he very well could have if one of his bombs landed i would have been happy but wouldnt be calling shogun over rated or trying to belittle his career. I never said chuck was the best striker in the world but im pretty sure all the people in the ufc would agree with me that chuck in his prime was an elite striker. Chuck was a great champion and deserves a lot more respect than u are giving him. You can keep preaching how bad a striker was but chucks legacy is secure. Hes accomplished all there is to accomplish he was the champ for a long time which is more than shogun has done so far by the way. What have you ever done in ur life to rag on chucks championship reign? its all good tho the weak always like to try and sabotage the strong.

  50. T.R.

    April 19, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    I think that Leites wanted to have sex with anderson instead of fighting him. He kept laying on his back throwing his legs in the air like some Pentecostal girls i used to know.

    I do blame this fight on the match makers. This was a horrible match up. Please please give us some fights worth watching. Put the spider in some super fights with gsp or at 205. No one will beat him at 185 unless Henderson just decides to get hungry again and come alive.

  51. ron shaw

    April 19, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    i can't believe noones said it yet. did anyone else see anderson silva rub the vaseline from his face and wipe it all over his chest and arm when he entered the cage?

  52. dane drebin

    April 19, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    ya i just watched a GIF of that its pretty rediculous when u watch all the places he rubs… if gsp got in toruble i think this is worse so whwere do u draw the line? Im sick of GREASE BULLSHIT!!!

  53. steve

    April 19, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Dane I never said Chuck didnt have a great career. He has been very succesful. But I do think that he was overrated. Now thats all im saying. Ya he has made millions of dollars and at one point most people who didnt watch pride thought he was the best striker. He has major wholes in his game and that is what has been exposed. You have to agree dane. And I dont think chuck even had a chance against shogun in the fight. He really only landed a couple shots. He went back to his hands down phase and got caught. Im done arguing the point I was making before this fight is proven. He cant hang with the TOP strikers.

  54. steve

    April 19, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Get over this grease bullshit. It didnt alter the fight. A. Silva is way better. Lets not let everyone blow this into a big issue when in both fights it has happened. We all pretty much agree it played no part in the outcome.

  55. dane drebin

    April 19, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    i dont think they could even get anderson in trouble is there a rule in the rule book that says u cant rub ur face then rub ur body? i highly doubt it.

  56. patrick bateman

    April 19, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    gsp is not going to fight silva he probably wont even beat alves. remember serra what will alves do to him. wake up everyone.

  57. patrick bateman

    April 19, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    chuck and wandy have a lot in common now with glass chins. too bad the puches they are getting knocked out with should not even effect the average fighter. too many ko's and wandy is way younger than chuck what a shame.

  58. whodini

    April 19, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    yeah… Chuck needs to retire hate to see him go out like Shamrock and others ……like old beat up punching bags

  59. STEVEO

    April 19, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    i agree i dont want to see chuck go out like that either. He says he trains hard but comes out with the same style and physique everytime, didn't look to be in great shape or any better shape than he was before. I just think the game is starting to pass chuck by. Ya he can still beat the shit out of all the young untested guys, but should a ufc hall of famer really be subjected to that, plus hes gonna have to take one hell of a paycut if he keeps fighting. He had his chance to get back in and blew it and if anyone thinks Rua is a contender again already your freakin insane.

  60. rory

    April 19, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    i dnt fink that the knockouts wandy and chuck have recieved wud not effect the average fighter..all wandys knockouts have been pretty brutal, the hedkick frm cro crop..anybody wud be going to sleep..same with rampage's hook..landed right on the point of the jaw..anybody would be going sleep. Same with chuck..the punches that have put chuck down and to sleep would most likely put anybody on their arse. And i dnt know why everybody is doubting silva..nobody in that weight class can hang with him..he should go up to 205..but he's already said he wouldnt want to fight for the 205 title a while bk becuz he's believed machina is going to be the champion for a very long time and i dnt see him fighting gsp as alves is gonna knock him out and end the speculation of gsp being the best pound for pound.

  61. Tim

    April 20, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Fighting is their jobs…but winning the fight is what matters…How can you say Silva didnt try and engage the fight? for 5 rounds he went at Leites and when Silva was getting the better of him on the stand up he dropped on his back…Silva may be a BJJ blackbelt but he knows Leites is better and why risk getting caught in a submission when your beating his ass on stand up…come on here it was plain as day that silva tried to engage and did, Leites should be punished. Silva was dancing around because he was fed up with the antics of Leites…fighters are just scarred of Silva…it takes 2 to make a great fight and when one doesnt show up..it makes it very hard to pick up his slack let alone beat his ass when he keeps falling to the ground and you want to keep it stand up…Silva said he wanted to KO leites…and he was trying but every time he was on the verge Leites fell on his back like a little bitch. Cant blame Silva.

  62. Tank

    April 20, 2009 at 2:01 am

    I didnt think the Silva-Leites fight was boring n its nothing to be embarrassed about. Anderson went out there, dominated, n got the W. Thats all that matters.

  63. clay

    April 20, 2009 at 4:04 am

    Tim, dont you think it goes both ways? If A. Silva knew that Leites was better on the ground, Leites knew Silva was better in the standup. Therefore Leites did not want to just stand there and get knocked out as much as Silva did not want to get submitted. Anderson Silva is good but if you do not show the game to finish someone who obviously is not that great(Leites), then questions start to arise about how good Silva really is.

  64. Tim

    April 20, 2009 at 4:44 am

    I think its safe to say you dont fight and have probably never been in a contact sport. You see the object of the game is to WIN no matter what entertaining or not fighters are not going to risk losing just to entertain the crowd and as stupid as it sounds its the truth. It goes both ways your right but simply put Silva has proven time in and time out that he is the best…Leites was afraid of Silva and Silva chose not to engage on the ground fearing being submitted…he is a very smart fighter and not every win will be entertaining….Dana is pissed because he isnt going out there and fighting to entertain….this isnt sports entertainment this is real fighting and no fighter wants to risk losing just to entertain the crowd…but at the same time all fighters wants to put on entertainiing fights its just doesnt always work out this way.

  65. roy

    April 20, 2009 at 5:42 am

    i don't get it tim, leites did the smart thing by what your saying fighting the smart fight not engaging silva in the stand up was as smart as silva not engaging in the ground.

  66. clay

    April 20, 2009 at 6:35 am

    Roy, that is exactly my point! Also Tim, I do train and have been in contact sports my whole life. Do you even read what you post. You contradict yourself about this one my friend. If you know anything about MMA its that you do not want to leave anything up to the judges, so why not take every opportunity to win the fight. Anderson Silva did not have to entertain the crowd but he does need to finish fights in a case of the judges might not always be on his side.

  67. Tim

    April 20, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Look, i am happy you train MMA, and yes i know MMA detailed inside and out, and you would know that while i agree with your comment to never leave anything up to the judges…dude honestly Silva had this fight in the bag in the beginning of round 3 no ifs ands or buts about it…Leites would not throw a punch. Yes Leites played his game and Silva played his amd pbviously the better man prevailed…Silva won that fight as a fighter should in that scenario, why on earth would Silva or any other fighter fall into someone trap as Leites tried several times by faling on his back trying for sweeps etc…that is not going to win you points from the judges. This a done battle…read what Rua had to say below….

    From Shogun Rua—“The truth is that Anderson did the right thing, he fought well and didn’t get too much exposed. If he goes inside from the beginning, Thales would have more chances, and Thales waited for Anderson. Anderson managed his goal, the victory”

  68. Tim

    April 20, 2009 at 7:35 am

    Exciting or not its all about WINNING!!! and for someone who trains MMA and does sports you should know a win is a win and thats your ultimate goal.

  69. clay

    April 20, 2009 at 7:39 am

    Im not saying Anderson did not deserve the win, I think it was his fight all the way, I was just remarking about it not being all of Leites fault that there was not alot of action. I think it is a easy call to say both are equally to blame, that is the only point I am trying to get across.

  70. roy

    April 20, 2009 at 8:14 am

    maybe he did the right thing to win, but not by the third round in my book, the first round niether of them did anything for most of the round i would still give it to silva the 2nd round leites won finally in the third silva started to try to do something and won the rest of the rounds not impressively though.i can say silva fought 5 rounds without getting a scratch on him but it was against some one imo that was not a elite fighter dana bashing fedor who never lost and never tries to get a decision is crazy.it was a win for silva but based on his last 3 openents i put gsp ahead of him.

  71. Jay

    April 20, 2009 at 8:50 am

    well its hard to fight a guy if he keeps laying on the ground everytime you try to exchange with him. Anderson did the right thing i mean why try to take a risk of getting submitted by trying to fight Leitus on the ground. Anderson could have pounded him out and mounted him but he didnt want to take any risks. Leitus should have just took the risk of dirty boxing with anderson and try to make it more of a fight. Anderson Landed most of his strikes. I know it wasnt a decisive victory but a win is a win. Leitus was scared and i dont blame him. but you got to fight because thats what the fans like

  72. Daniel

    April 20, 2009 at 10:37 am

    At the end of the day Leites was the challenger. It was on him to take the belt away from Silva. After he tried his take downs and failed he quit. It is ridiculous to expect Silva to risk losing by jumping in fool headed and going for the kill. He hasn't won 9 in a row by being dumb. Leties had the opportunity of a lifetime, when things didn't go his way he quit. He is the one I am disappointed in! He showed that he was more concerned about losing in an embarrassing fashion then he was about winning the belt. Obviously the tittle shot didn't mean too much to him, or he would have tried everything he could to have won, not flopped to the ground all the time.

  73. Nichole Lesniak

    April 20, 2009 at 10:43 am

    I agree 100% with the last 2 posts. Leites talked a lot of trash about taking the belt from Silva, but didn't even try to.

  74. Ryan S

    April 20, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Tim, If you fight a shitty ass boring fucking fight, like both of them did, people will not want to watch your fights. If no one wants to watch your fights, you are doing a shitty job. Now, from a fighting aspect, if you will not try to engage in a practical way, which neither did, you are either stupid, not into the fight, or over-confident in your specialty. Tim, you keep switching from business aspect to fighting aspect, and when someone makes a business aspect rebuttle to you, you tell them they don't know how to fight, or know anything about the sport, or that they suck at life or whatever else you say. It is FUCKING stupid to say that Leites was the only one not engaging. Leites would counter punch (very rarely) then drop to the ground, but Silva would stay on the feet, occasionally follow Leties to the ground, but then stand right back up when his g&p was succeeding. There were many times I thought Silva was going to end the fight on the ground, but he would just stop. They are both at fault because neither was confident in the others' game. Call it a bad matchup or whatever you want, but last I saw, MMA stood for MIXED martial arts. Have some confidence in your skills. Now go ahead and say it:

    "I think its safe to say you dont fight and have probably never been in a contact sport"

  75. Ryan S

    April 20, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Why risk getting caught in a submission? Thats like saying "Just get enough points to win the decision. Once you have the points, just try to survive."

  76. Nichole Lesniak

    April 20, 2009 at 10:54 am

    This is going way back in posts on here, but Businessman, the fact that you consider Fedor's win over Tim Sylvia impressive is laughable. And to say that anyone who lost to Tim Sylvia TWICE is in their "prime" is another joke.

    I still stick to it: Fedor is not beating the best of the best.

  77. Jay

    April 20, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Ryan Leitus was doing the same thing the reason he kept going to the ground was he didnt want to tkae a risk of getting knocked out. Thats like saying to a grappler everytime he tries to hit you go to the ground like a litlle girl. Thats waht leitus did. Cmon guys put yourself in Anderson's shoes if your holding onto a title belt dont you want to fight where you are comfortable.

  78. Tim

    April 20, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Ryan, now honestly call me stupid but your no fucking fighter as if you were as some of my buddies i caveman train ( with can atest to each fighter wants to go out and give a performace to remember dazzle the crowd but winning is more important this is a sport my friend. I keep switching back and forth because i am both in the business world and fighting world where i do not fight, but i have friends that do.

    IF you are a fighter than sorry but i cant help but see how you could be a fighter with those stupid comments. Silva engaged at all times at all times, he stuck to his game plan and won, he is the champ it is up to his opponents to defeat him. There are too many people on here and elsewhere that would agree with me but you seem to be the lone ranger thinking Silva sucked in this last fight, thats your opinion. From a business aspect i see how Dana is pissed but from a fighters perspective it was great, he picked apart Leites and didnt allow him to control anything. He won and thats what matters.

  79. Tim

    April 20, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Ryan…with all due respect sorry about the name calling, i apologize, just got a bit heated…

  80. steve

    April 20, 2009 at 11:49 am

    The main event. Okay Leites showed that he isnt on the same level and did nothing to try and win the fight. He looked like a little bitch and I dont think anyone wanted him to win especially after seeing how he was trying to win. And as for Anderson. He played it too safe and the fans wouldnt have been booing if he would have got after it. Like Dana said he was imbarassed by A. Silva and Leites. They both are at fault for that terribly bad main event. But this is 2 fights in a row for Anderson. What is so dangerous about Cote if you are the best striker in the ufc? Silva is feeling it not just b/c of this fight but b/c of how bad he did in his last fight. Nobody wants to see a guy try and outpoint another guy. But Leites did keep trying to pull guard. Both are to blame. The end.

  81. dane drebin

    April 20, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    im gunna call it right now… rashad and lyoto will be more boring than anderson and thales. i just have a wierd feeling that both being counter fighters that like to sit back and frusterate their opponents are going to be way cautious and it will turn into a points sparring match.

  82. clay

    April 20, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    You could be right on there Dane! Lyoto is like a ninja—just pops in and out with quick hits whenever he can get in without getting hit.

  83. Businessman

    April 20, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Nichole,

    If you don't like Tim, that is OK with me. personally I can't stand him. I think he is a boring fighter with limited skills and is lucky to have blessed great size. If he was 6 feet, 250, he would never have been in the UFC. However, the fact remains that prior to his fight with Fedor, he had only lost to 4 current or former UFC champs- Noguiera, Mir, Randy and AA. That is not a bad group to lose to.

    In regards to AA losing to him twice, I think that was more due to the size difference and being afraid to lose versus wanting to win versus Tim truly beating him. If you don't think AA is one of the top HWs in the world, you truly don't know what you are talking about because pretty much everyone would have to agree that he is in the top 5 or at least top 10.

    My point is-if you don't like Tim…great. I don't like him neither. I don't respect his skills and his strength is size versus skill. However, he has beaten a lot of pretty good fighters, and has only lost to the best.

    I respect that we all think differently and have different points of view. However, if you are going to debate something, bring some facts with you instead of just trying to trash someone's throughts. GSP and Da Spider are two of my favorite fighters. However, in all fairness, I think Fedor is the top P4P. I am making an educated opinion versus picking who I like.

  84. Tim

    April 21, 2009 at 12:40 am

    Well Said Businessman…thats what i had to learn the difference between picking who i like and educated opinions and i dont like Fedor all that much myself but he is one the best fighters ever and i cant argue with that…i used to until Roy and some others showed me what his background is. Now my educated opinion is that Silva is fed up with the mediocre competition in his division and he got so frustrated during his last two fights that he toyed with his opponents…the UFC needs to give him better competion in his division or Silva needs to do a few catchweight fights and or move up to 205 and fight some fighters there, where there is plenty of competition…Silva vs GSP, Silva vs Jackson, Silva vs Henderson, Silva Vs Evans…Hell i think Bisping is worth of the next shot at his title that would be a great fight.

  85. Tim

    April 21, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Come to think of it, i think the winner of Bisbing and Henderson should get the next shot.

  86. Al

    April 21, 2009 at 1:20 am

    I'm thinking the winner of Bisbing/Henderson should fight the winner of Marquardt/Maia…and the winner of that fight should get the next shot. I think it would be a good little middleweight tournament.

  87. Ryan S

    April 21, 2009 at 9:03 am

    I never said Tim was stupid. Now I am though. How am I the "lone ranger?" Roy agrees with me. So does Clay. And Steve. They agree that, bottom line, both fighters were not pushing much action. Each tried where they were comfortable, but that never went far for either. I love how you can call people out all the time on how you know for a fact that they don't fight when you don't even fucking fight. And I am also sorry I don't live up to your standards with my opinions. It upsets me that you are disappointed.

    Tim- "with can atest to each fighter wants to go out and give a performace to remember dazzle the crowd but winning is more important" Post 78

    Now why do you think they want to make it an entertaining fight? Because they want people to watch, not be bored out of their minds watching them fight. How many people have said that they don't want to pay to watch a card like this again? If no one wants to watch your fights, no organization will keep you, no matter how small. Dude, all I'm saying is, just fuck off when people give their opinions. Stop jumping all over people by saying they don't know what they are talking about, especially when you don't fight.

  88. steve

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Nichole I just read your post and I think its laughable that you write for this site and you think Tim Sylvia is a joke. If you consider a former UFC champ a joke then thats funny haha. And the way Fedor dismantled him in just 36 seconds. Randy couldnt finish Tim for 25 minutes. Whats funny about that.

  89. dane drebin

    April 21, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I have to agree that tim is no joke. when he is on he is very hard to beat. He handed Nog his ass for three rounds before getting submitted. He's Beat Arlovski twice. He is a good win to have under your belt i dont care who you are. People like to let their feeling towards a fighter change their views of the fighters skills it seems to me. Once people realized hughes is a dick they try to put him down even tho its pretty obvious he is one of the most dominant champions of all time. Even tho his record is proof of that people like say he is a bum. I dislike hughes but still know he was and is an amazing fighter. You can hate a fighter all you want but don't try to belittle his accomplishments or his talent. I'm not a Nick diaz fan. i think he is a punk but i still can see talent where theres talent and it's obvious he is a world class fighter.

    Also while i dislike tim i get tired of people putting him down because he is one of the bigggest fighters in the division. if you want to think about it like that why dont u hate on GSP and Alves for being two of the biggest welterweights. Why dont u hate on Anderson for cutting from damn near 220 to make the 185 weight limit? In every weight class people use their size to their advantage. Tim didnt chose to be freak tall and awkward looking. He just uses what god gave him and became a multiple champion. It's up to the other fightwers to find a way to beat him with skill. Like him or not he is a legit top ten heavyweight and will be for awhile.

  90. tyler

    April 23, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    terrible freaking fights. i hope silva and leites didn';t get paid for that fight. silva could have ended that in the 2nd round. as for chuck shogun, damn i really like chuck lidell. i liked watching him fight and hes was my favorite fighter for awhile. other fights suckred too. i want my 44 bucks back

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