UFC 98: Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2



UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar will get another crack at Frank Mir at UFC 98 on May 23 from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, according to MMAMania.

Mir and Lesnars first fight at UFC 81 “Breaking Point” ended with Mir grabbing hold of an ankle, after taking a barrage of punches and submitted the former WWE superstar with a kneebar early in the first round.

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  1. whodini

    January 22, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    wow this kinda happened fast ..i hope ol Frank is running around with two cinder blocks under his arms ..getting into shape..i think hes gonna need some extra gas this time in his tank … if it lasts long

  2. Shogun of Harlem

    January 23, 2009 at 1:14 am

    i think brock is gonna take him this time

  3. Just another MMA dud

    January 23, 2009 at 1:32 am

    I will say this; I think we are going to see a more tenitive fighter from both of them. I don't think Brock is going to come out swinging or charging. And Mir isn't going to come out cocky. I suspect we will see some wide eyes from both of them. Whatever the outcome is, I will be watching. As I have said before, I'm pulling for you Frank! I think you're going to need every bit of good karma you can muster!

  4. Tim

    January 23, 2009 at 1:51 am

    Well i was hoping for this to happen at UFC 97 that way both fighters might be able to fight at UFC 100 and that still could happen but unlikely now. Anyways back to this fight as i have said before…Mir is known for his cockiness and is unablitly to be conditioned…Mir really needs to come into this fight well conditioned, i mean cardio and strength wise cause he will need every ounce of strength and every heart beat to beat Lesnar…Lesnar will undoubtingly come into this fight the more overall conditioned fighter and i look for Lesnar to play it calm and come out swining and take Mir down at will and G&P and if Lesnar hits trouble he backs off and stands the fight back up…we know Mir cant catch brock in Arm bars…the man is to damn powerful as we saw last time how Mir went for them twice and both times Lesnar practicly broke Mirs arms off in the process..i think what really startled Mir last fight was Lesnar's overall athletic ability combined with strength and speed…i just dont see how Mir can match that or find a way around it unless Lesnar makes another rookie mistake which could happen but not likely as i am sure they are going to focus on Sub defense and have game plan that will suit Lesnar's strengths…i hope its a good fight Should be interesting to see how Mir comes into this fight mentally and physically and what respect if any does he give lesnar…and i am sure lesnar has respect for Mir Sub skills but knows he lost the last fight himself as he got caught in a rookie mistake. Lesnar is clearly the favorite and should win by TKO/KO by 2nd round, but i am hoping for a submission from Lesnar that would be interesting and funny but not likely. If lesnar trains at Xtreme Couture than thats just more gas for the fire. Both Lesnar and Sherk train at the same place in Minnesota and do the Caveman training…that shit is intense.

  5. DanP

    January 23, 2009 at 4:01 am

    I can't see Mir winning… He looked really good agains Nog, but Lesnar will overpower him and the last years worth of subs defense will make t difficult for Mir to tap him out…

    Overall I'll be dissapointed if Mir loses – as he has the miles on the clock when it comes to MMA… but we'll see

    Ultimatley… there's still Fedor who is the REAL No. 1 Heavyweight!!

    I'd love to see Fedor come to the UFC and take the heavyweight & LHW belt… then finish it off by givig Anderson Silva his first UFC beat down at 205!!!

  6. T.R.

    January 23, 2009 at 4:20 am

    this will be a better fight than the first one. i also see them both being cautious at first. but i see lesnar eventually dominating.

    IF fedor ends up in the ufc in 2 or 3 years, lesnar will be much more advanced and will hand him his ass.

  7. roy

    January 23, 2009 at 5:07 am

    to bad mir won't hold that belt for long, i see lesnar handing him a beating i don't think he will make it out of the first round.

  8. Karlo

    January 23, 2009 at 5:27 am

    If mir pulls a Nogueira move he'll be alright, gets hit- Lesnar comes charging i- Mir gets him in a submission, possible but unlikely. Lesnar wanted this fight so he obviously will avoid the ground at all costs, he knows first hand what Mir's strength is, overall its going to be an interesting fight, i'm looking forward to see how much Lesnar can evolve as a fighter, he's still finding his rhythm.


    January 23, 2009 at 5:47 am

    lesnar via tko second round

  10. Tim

    January 23, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Lesnar will not be afraid to take it to the ground but he will be cautious it was working for him the first time around with the combination of punches and takedowns and G&P until he stood up and left his leg in there and Mir capitilized on it and spun him around, i dont think he will make the same mistake again. Lesnar is too much overall for Mir to handle…i still say TKO/KO rd2 but earlier would be nice but i also would like to see it go deep too.

  11. Theguy

    January 23, 2009 at 9:01 am

    I got Lesnar by flying gogoplata.

  12. fedor24

    January 23, 2009 at 9:11 am

    I think Lesnar was just so amped up in the first fight with mir that he totally forgot all his training and prep for the fight. He just went nuts on Frank and that was almost enough to win the fight. i think he will come out like he did with Randy. Very calm and patient. He has all the advantages of strength speed and power. Brock can let the fight come to him and beat up Frank. Brock can just stand up with Frank. I don't think frank can take brock's punching power. what's frank going to do? Take Brock down? Brock will win this fight. All he has to do is stay away from mir on the ground early.

  13. Tim

    January 23, 2009 at 9:28 am

    I agree…and i dont see Lesnar having any difficulties takinging Mir down or even having to stay away from the ground in this fight remember he dominated every aspect of the last fight even the ground except he made a rookie mistake…i just dont se how Mir can win this fight now that Lesnar is bit more experienced and has further developed his overal abilities and skills but never say never.

  14. whodini

    January 23, 2009 at 9:28 am

    F rank did say he was in better shape for the nog fight…he said in all his previous fights he was afraid the fight would go more than 1 round or so cause he knew he had no conditioning ,, now he says he sees the light..he needs to run around the block a time or 2 with a couple of cinder blocks under each arm..i do hope he takes Brock deep into the rounds .. come on Frank there are a few of us out here that are pulling for ya

  15. Tim

    January 23, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Franks going to have to pull a whodini (houdini)to win….LOL sorry couldnt help myself.

  16. roy

    January 23, 2009 at 9:44 am

    its not that i am pulling for lesnar, and mir could submit him i just don't think it will happen i wouldn't mind if frank won but i really don't think he will make it out of the first round.

  17. fedor24

    January 23, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Hell I'm pulling for Frank but I just can't see happening. I don't trust his chin and Lesnar is going to hit him HARD. If Frank can get Brock into his guard he has a shot of getting a sub.

  18. Oswald Gobblecock

    January 23, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Im kinda sick of these 1 good fight per card PPVs… u got Rampage vs Jardine at 96, Chuck vs Shogun for 97 and now this on 98… nothin on 95. Wish they could combine some of these like they did on 92 if people are gonna spend 50 bcuks.

  19. kom34

    January 23, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    i'm sick of these one fight cards too. maybe afflictions card tomorrow will put some pressure on the ufc to offer better shows. i agree with you all that this will be a better fight than the first one and i see brock wearing on mir like he did to herring. brock lesnar is the champ, that still sounds crazy to me.

  20. steve

    January 23, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Thats what I said about UFC 93. Nobody cared to see Shogun vs Coleman and i sure didnt think Hendo vs franklin would be any good. I probally wont order this card either since they will probally have a buch of journeyman fighting onthe televised section of the card. Cant stand the ufc when they have cards like that. Seems like about every other card there is a crappy ppv. Rarely have i been truely happy about ordering a ppv. The last time i think enjoyed a ppv really was ufc 92 and ufc 86 in the past like 15 ppvs.

  21. Chris

    January 26, 2009 at 7:32 am

    Brock – Mir 2 –

    Well I think Lesnar has definitely learned from that rookie mistake from their first fight. Mir fought well against Nog and deserves the credit as people counted him out. I am not a Mir fan, as I find him kinda arrogant, but he has skills for sure and definitely is dangerous. Hope he works his conditioning hard (as many above mention cinder blocks lol), I would like to see this go more than 3 rounds, which would show where each of them are at skill wise and conditioning…but I fear that I see a "Donkey Konging" of Mir's head again if Brock hits him solid with one of the mail-box sized fists. If Brock can pin him against the cage, I see Mir gassing as that is a lot of weight to have pressed against you. Should be a great fight, and I agree, both will probably be cautious at first.

  22. overman

    January 31, 2009 at 3:01 am

    I disagree with everyone here.. to my mind, it will be hard for lesnar to win against mir. the only real chance lesnar has against mir is to ko him either standing up or on the ground.

    Mir is more of a technical striker while brock is relying soley on his power. the last fight,well.. i guess mir was surprised with what brock bought.. but this time 4 sure proper adjustments will be made.

    sure brock is the better wrestler and the stronger fighter, hence he can take mir down at will. so what, mir will pull guard for him.. don't you guys forget what mir is all about.. this is the guy who broke travern's arm in his ufc debut. travern is a nobody, just the most decorated bjj practitioner at that time. and there is timmy's arm..

    overall mir has the edge standing up or down there on the ground. he just needs to avoid the big shot from this gorilla, should he avoid the same he will be just fine..

    yup, mir's gas and chin is a big question but the same goes with lesnar. untested chin and his cardio is supect. check out his fight against randy. the bigger the fighter the easier they tire.

    war Muuurrrr!!!

  23. dane drebin

    January 31, 2009 at 4:28 am

    mir's chin and brocks power will be the reason brock wins. sometime during the fight brock ill rock mir unless mir pulls out a quick sub which i dont see happening. u cant just pull gaurd on brock hes a NCAA heavy champ he decides where he wants the fight to be not mir.

  24. fedor24

    January 31, 2009 at 5:00 am

    I agree overman. Mir should be the favorite. We all rank Brock on his awesome potential and ignore his gross lack of cage experience. Some(myself included) look at the freakshow strength and speed and start making brock into something he not quite become. An elite fighter. Brock is still a freakshow force but we have seen many of his type get schooled by sub masters in the guard. Bjj is made to defeat big wrestlers. Mir by choke on a gassed out Lesnar in round 2.

  25. 1time

    February 13, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    HAH! Choke out LESNAR@ in what world are you dreaming. Good luck getting a good hold around "THOSE" traps and neck! LESNAR "THE GREAT" will prevail VICTORIOUS

  26. steve

    February 13, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Sorry Dane and Tim I think Mir will take this one but then again with how Mir looked in the past on his way back to the top it wouldnt be imppsoible for him to beat Mir. I mean B. Vera destroyed Mir in like 40 seconds. I would say Mir should be the favorite because he looked better in his last fight and he has the advantage like overman said.

  27. Jay

    February 15, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    The reality is Lesnar will destroy Mir! Let's face it Lesnar's strength, speed and athletism is WHY he will win!

    People forget that strength, speed and athletism is just as important in a fight as is learning how to punch, kick, submission skills etc. Case in point why do you think they have weight divisions? You have to be a well-rounded fighter to be great! Neither of them are well-rounded, but Lesnar has a chance ………someday!

    Mir was getting manhandled and beaten silly until the ref gave Mir a break and stood them up……….then Lesnar took him down AGAIN and did the same thing to him before making a obvious sloppy mistake!

    Lesnar wins easily.

    Imagine Lesnar with Fedor's fighting skills! Fedor IS the 1# mma fighter in the world right now! In a couple of years Lesnar will beat Fedor easily. But for now he isn't ready.

  28. Jay

    February 15, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Another thing is that Mir is at the PEAK of his fighting skills! Lesnar is JUST getting started!

    Lesnar is a new breed of fighter. In that he is strong, fast and athletic. Lesnar-Mir 2 isn't Lesnar's first fight like it was when he faced Mir the first time! In which he was easily beating Mir until a silly mistake. In order for Mir to survive and possibly beat Lesnar he NEEDS to increase his functional strength and speed! PERIOD!

    One more thing Mir's "boxing" skills in his last fight against Nog is OVERRATED! Mir used nearly the same f*ck*n combination over and over again against Nog! Luckily for Mir, Nog has NO stand up game!

    The UFC really needs Fedor! The heavyweight division looks pathetic right now in the UFC!

  29. RatAttack68

    February 15, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Mir will beat Lesner again. He looked great in his last fight. The only chance Lesner has is to KO Mir. In a few years Lesner should be a force to reckon with, but for now he has no ground game.

  30. JFurm!!

    February 16, 2009 at 12:35 am

    yea i agree, i think Mir is goin to win via submission…..unlike ratattack says i wouldnt under-estimate lesnars ground game thus far….we may see a different lesnar still taking Mir tho

  31. RatAttack68

    February 16, 2009 at 7:57 am

    Fedor is good but over rated and didn't look that good in his last fight. The UFC LHW is stacked. Let him come, he may take the heavy weight title but not the LHW one.

  32. ufc101guy

    February 25, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Look Mir is good only with subs on the ground. and for anyone to say that lesnar has no ground game is an understatement(Ratattack68) Lesnar is former NCAA wrestling champion. he has more power and more speed and way better conditoning that mir. Mir is good with submissions but just that. He is to damn cocky and over looks just about all of his oppents. I think mir will have better conditioning for this fights but if it goes the distance he may gas out by the 3 round, assuming he makes it that far. For lesnar to lose this time would be because he made a really really really stupid mistake. So my prediction is Lesnar tko in first or second round

  33. Al

    February 25, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    I don't recall an an opponent Mir has ever overlooked. Yea when he got back from his motorcycle accident he wasn't the same man but that was a mental game he was playing with himself. He lost two fights in that span of time. But every big fight he has been in he has won: Sylvia, Lesnar, Nog he has defeated. And if he beat Nog he was getting another rematch with Lesnar and a chance to win a unified belt, so if there was an overlooking by Mir, it probably should have been that fight. But we all saw what happened with that, tko'd Nog for the first time in his career. But I agree with you, if Brock has learned anything it is to stay away from the arsenal of submissions Mir has to apply to him. If he gets caught again, thats Lesnar being a cocky asshole who thinks he can run through everyone.

  34. whodini

    February 25, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    he didn't look good against Brandon Vera …he really dissapointed me ..i just hope its a good fight

  35. RatAttack68

    February 26, 2009 at 12:01 am

    Guys as we have seen on numerous occasions that size and muscles don't matter. Mir looked the best that he has since his accident. Yes Lesner can knock Mir out and that is his best hope but if it goes to the ground mir has the best chance.

  36. roy

    February 26, 2009 at 2:51 am

    i don't think mir is that great, he is good but not a real top hw imo, he could submit lesnar but i dout it and i don't see him winning any other way.

  37. Tim

    February 26, 2009 at 2:59 am

    Why is everyone thinking Mir will dominate this fight. If you had any witts you would know that the first fight Mir barely won and needed the Refs help to win. But a win is a win. Lesnar as a rookie dominated Mir with ease what makes you think he wont do it again…oh thats right he beat Nog in standup…umm Lesnar hits harder and has exceptional speed all around for a man his size. Mir will not be able to swap punches with Lesnar and will not stop his take downs and lesnr will not make the same rookie mistake again, he will come in with a game plan to take it to Mir and stand and go for takedowns and G&P if the fight becomes to uneasy for Lesnar on the ground he will just back off and stand back up. i look for lesnar to stay in side control when he takes Mir down and G& P from there. Mir will not become miraculaously stronger or faster all of a dudden than Lesnar. Mir will only win by submission and i never look past a fighter but this won is close but he has a chance to beat Lesnar. Put it this way all lesnar has to do is stay away from subs and he wins this fight.

  38. Tim

    February 26, 2009 at 3:00 am

    Roy, you said it best i dont see him winning any other way than by Subs.

  39. PoppyNick

    February 26, 2009 at 3:39 am

    UGGGG……I hope Mir ends this quick so the fair weather MMA fans can go back to what they know…the WWE. Brock is a great athlete and has power but is way overhyped in my opinion.

  40. roy

    February 26, 2009 at 4:07 am

    poppyneck i am not a big lesnar fan at all, but mir is not that good he is more overhyped imo and outside of lesnar getting caught in a sub he will not beat him and i don't see lesnar making that mistake this time.

  41. dane drebin

    February 26, 2009 at 4:45 am

    ya poopydick why does everyone who thinks brock is gunna win have to be a wwe fan. shit gets old listening to.

  42. Tim

    February 26, 2009 at 6:02 am

    Yeah its getting kinda ridiculous for that comment to be made, the man is now in MMA and he is good at it and is learning day by day..his WWE fake shit are over and he has proven his place in MMA. Just face it the man has unbelievable talent and athleticism.

  43. STEVEO

    February 26, 2009 at 6:06 am

    how is someone a fair weather mma fan? do they not watch when its bad? do they watch more when its good? I won't lie i watch wwe but I have been to vegas 3 times in the last year to go to a UFC event how bout you poppynick? So what makes me less of a fan that i don't sit home and jack off to pictures of joe rogan in my moms basement listening to tim sylvia training videos? I might do that anyway, and I could still be a bigger fan than you. the point im trying to make is that many people here act like they are some sort of superfan and they dont work and sit home and watch and train mma all day long and never do anything else. Fans a fan man as long as you aren't a kimbo fan. Even my wwe watchin not a big a fan as you ass has standards.

  44. Tim

    February 26, 2009 at 8:22 am

    Love It…..great post.

  45. PoppyNick

    February 26, 2009 at 8:26 am

    Pretty sure I said he's a great athlete….SteveO seriously I've been to this many events how about you??? How old are you 6? I'm not saying I'm the greatest fan or anything just sick of everyone riding the coatails. He has fought 3 times in the UFC and everyone claims he is god. All this Mir got lucky he was getting his ass kicked…..really didn't know being a black belt in bjj and catching someone in a sub was lucky.

  46. PoppyNick

    February 26, 2009 at 8:28 am

    And Kimbo sucks and always has:)

  47. Tim

    February 26, 2009 at 8:47 am

    No one said he was God, the man has 4 fights in his career and has dominated every one. No other person that i know of could walk on into MMA with 2 years of training and dominate like he has, sure he has alot to learn and the excitement to see himn grow and develope is great. Win or lose it will be interesting to see where Lesnar goes from here on out. Bottom line a loss is a loss but if the Ref hadnt stopped the fight….Mir would of lost. i dont see this fight ending the same way this time around.

  48. whodini

    February 26, 2009 at 9:06 am

    i hope he subs him again …. now that would be awesome…come on Frank some of us are pullng for ya

  49. RatAttack68

    February 26, 2009 at 10:55 am

    I agree that the ref standing up mir and lesner in their fight was bullshit without any warnings. If lesner can keep from being pinned he has a chance. Mir's standup against nog was awesome but submissions is what he is known for. No matter who wins I hope its a good fight that goes a couple of rounds.

  50. STEVEO

    February 27, 2009 at 2:20 am

    the attacking of my age how adult, i was just trying to be funny and i also notice you didnt answer how many events you have been too. And no one rides on his coattails, again makes no sense. i like lesnar because he does it in the ring he isnt out there runnin his mouth like alot of guys, he gets in the ring and smashes in faces, all walk no talk thats what i like about lesnar and why i will re rooting for him to karate chop frank mir's head off.

  51. roy

    February 27, 2009 at 3:05 am

    i don't like lesnar, but i can see his talent and i am just calling it like i see it i think he wins without to much problems in this one.

  52. jimmy says

    March 1, 2009 at 1:08 am

    i dont know how you can say brock dominated all his mma fights because mir tapped his big ass out in 1st rd. . Against Randy brock got lucky and landed a good punch and some would say that is a fluke, and randy will take care of him next time if there is a next time and mir dosent break his arm.How do you get a title shot when you come into the ufc and go 1-1 he should have to prove himself first and make him climb that ladder everyone else has to. Even if brock does get by mir, which i dont think will ever happen, but if it does brock still wont be considered one of the best heavyweights he will never get by fedor. the end!

  53. STEVEO

    March 1, 2009 at 3:18 am

    I would say he was winning the fight when he tapped. I can't really say the punch against randy was lucky because the rampages punch against wand (eyes closed watch the tape) or even rashads ko of chuck was lucky. Its not lucky if you miss and get counter punched out. Even if Fedor does come to the ufc (never gonna happen if it hasn't yet) he would probably be better suited at 205, so many super fights there millions would pay to see plus it wouldn't even be a hard cut for him since he looks chubby at like 230.

  54. ron shaw

    March 1, 2009 at 3:21 am

    the interesting thing is that brock isn't going to be as agressive because he has more experience and will be more calm in the ring. kind of like he was in the couture fight.

    mir will have about 5 more rounds of footage to look at and i'm sure he will be able to get a better gameplan together. i think its going to go 2 or 3 rounds and mir is going to win.

  55. sizzle

    March 2, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Lesnar was destroying Mir in their first fight so easy, honestly Lesnar's destroyed everyone.. the refs didn't wanna see UFC's son Mir lose to one of the best, intense up and coming fighters Lesnar. But this time will be different, Lesnar wins it TKO in 1st round. Lets hope Lesnar makes Mir's face look like Heath Herring's (after he fought Brock)! Lesnar 4 life!

  56. jimmy says

    March 4, 2009 at 2:19 am

    fedor will never fight at 205 he is perfect at heavyweighyt! Seriously how could you say fedor at 205 alot of people that drop weight look worse. What do you actually think herrings face was worse than what fedor did to him in the prime of herrings carreer? Everyone underestimates fedor and than he comes out and beats people fast. brock may be big but he has never taken a punch from fedor and no nmatter what anyone says there is noone in ufc that can hit like fedor not even your precious Brock. Lets see if Brock can even make it past Mir before everyone starts to say he is the best heavyweight remeber his record is 3-1 not exactly impressive.

  57. STEVEO

    March 4, 2009 at 2:24 am

    Jimmy you can say whatever you want but I don't think Fedor fights cause he likes it he does it to make alot of money otherwise he would have been in the ufc along time ago. He's in it to make money and other than randy and lesnar there are no other fights for him at heavy that most would care about, hes already beat nog what 3 times, cro cop too, maybe a fight with Kongo but 205 is stacked and there are alot of fights that would make a shitload of money and thats what, dana, the fertitas, the ufc, and most of all fedor are about, MAKING MONEY!

  58. roy

    March 4, 2009 at 3:15 am

    i really don't think fedor is about the money, maybe his managers but not him go look at how he lives. i see your point about dropping weight but since he is not about the money it doesn't make sense since people usually drop weight to get a advantage and he is already the best hw in the world so why drop down.all he needs to do is beat barnett go to the ufc and fight the champ and retire the best that ever lived.

  59. jimmy

    March 4, 2009 at 8:44 am

    fedor had a dispute with dana's offer cause he wants to get paid even if he gets hurt. he is the best in the world you pay for what you get. I'm not to worried about Josh Barnett Fedor has already beaten him once and maybe even twice. My whole point is that if Dana really wants to prove to everyone that his new heavyweight is the best in the world then give Fedor a contract for one fight so we can see who is the best. The real fact is that everyone who says brock has been destroying everyone in all his fights is just wrong Randy was handling his big ass just fine until he got those punches in and even after that i feel the ref called it a little to soon cause randy was a little stunned but brock ran out of gas awfuly fast, and in the 1st mir fight it dosent matter that brock came in and was hitting him all over cause he tapped out mir didnt quit from punches but big ol brock tapped out. No one knows for sure how brock will do in this sport he only has 4 fights in one of which he lost. remeber brock couldnt even make it on the vikings practice squad in the NFL so i dont think he will be going anywhere quick, but when mir does tap his big ass out again what are you gonna say then? If mir did get lucky like what everyone is saying what does that say about royce gracie? He always took a beating but ended up tapping them out.

  60. roy

    March 4, 2009 at 8:59 am

    i agree with some of what you said but your are wrong about alot of things, first fedor and barnett have never fought, second go look how fedor lives he does not care about the money, third i am not a brock fan but he will beat the shit out of mir.

  61. roy

    March 4, 2009 at 9:01 am

    your right about brock only having 4 fights and we really don't know how good he really is yet, but that should also show you that it was not that impressive for mir to beat him in only his 2nd fight than.

  62. Tim

    March 4, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Jimmy, you obviously dont know shit about lesnar or MMA. First off Lesnar made the Vikings Practice Squad as he even played in a few practice games one notably against the Chiefs where he got a bit to crazy and sacked the quarterback and your not suppose to go full contact in practice games, he wiegh in at 300lbs ran the 40 in under 5 seconds and had a vertical leap of over 40inches which is oustanding for man of his size. He got cut from the squad because of his failure to show up due to medical reasons from a motorcycle accident, they offered him a spot on the now defunct NFL europe which he turned down and stated i have already accomplished my goal of making thi team and playing for anthing else wouldnt be the same. Sorry but i had to say that and yes its true go see any freakin sports articled that covered his attempt on the NFL. even read his bio on wikepedia.

    Second off, Lesnar has dominated every fight he demolished Mir in the first one and made a rookie mistake and it will not happen again. Mir can not match up to his power or quickness or his overall athletic ability, now i do see Mir having an edge on subs but based upon how the first fight ended i dont think Lesnar will put himself in that situation again and while Mir may have gotten better he sure as hell is no where near the overall athlete of lesnar's caliber meaning strenght, power, quickness.

    Funny thing is you didnt mention the Herring fight….Hmm could be because he physically dominated him to the point were one punch broke his orbital bone?

    The randy fight was a bit closure but he still dominated it and you say a lucky punch WTF so i guess every punch is lucky that KO;'s someone, if you knew anything about MMA you would know that no punch is lucky its calling timing and not to mention the punch that KO's randy grazed him and to think that a grazed punch Ko'd him…thats pretty good sure Lesnar has weaknessesand is not the best HWGHT but he has alot of potential but understand this and read it…Lesnar has only 3 total years of training so far and that is what all the hype on him is about the fact that he can come into MMA and dominate like he has…face it or not he dominated all his fights with the borderline couture fight which randy was the perfect fight for him as Lensar is basically a bigger Couture.

    Lesnar got his title fight in his 4th fight, there are many others who had there title fight in there 4th fight one being Couture another being Anderson Silva. So to say he didnt deserve it can be debated but he isnt the first. i dont think he should of gotten it so soon due to his inexperience but it was all about the money.

    Bottom line Lesnar is not the best HWGHT but he sure has the potentaial to be and he should have no problem in defeating Mir this time.

  63. Tim

    March 4, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Oh and sorry i just had to write it. roy i agre about Fedor as he has stated multiple times how he loves competition and loves to compete but i do think in there the money comes in play wether its him or his mangement but i would bet thats its his mangement.

  64. jimmy

    March 4, 2009 at 10:14 am

    If brock was that good in football the vikings would have signed him wouldnt they! The Herring fight wasnt very impressive to me cause he didnt finish him if he is as bad as you say he is then he wouldve finished him! Theres no way you can say he ran through mir cause MIR WON THE FIGHT! To say he deserved a title shot after his fourth fight is fuckin stupid. Anderson Silva came from pride where he established himself as a good fighter and it wasnt his fourth fight in the sport, and Randy had to fight more than 1 person in one night to get his title shot! All Brock is in ufc is danas new bodyguard and when frank Mir breaks his fuckin arm than maybe that will prove to everyone how overrated brock is. Like you want me to look at wikepedia for the truth that was a pretty stupid comment to make. I may have been wrong about the barnett fight with fedor and i do apologize for that, but who in the heavyweight divison hasnt fedor fought besides Randy and Josh. Brock is a fluke and will always be a fluke and a wwf wrestler to me! To say that Fedor is just in it for the money well who in the fuck isnt in it for the money and for the fight even brock is in it for the money otherwise he would just fight for free right. You sure did say alot and not mean shit!

  65. dane drebin

    March 4, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    jimmy it sounds like ur not even giving brock a chance saying he will always be wwe is ignorant as fuck. ken shamrock was wwe. some people unlike you can be good at more than just one thing. brock would have been in the NFL if it wasnt for his motorcycle accident. He made it to NFL Europe but turned it down. His stats were off the charts and practically the best in the camp. do u know how hard it is to get in the NFL if u hadnt played since highschool? its practically unheard of… but im sure mir could do it… pllleeeeeaaaseee. Brock didnt deserve the the title shot but he made the most of it and knocked randys head off. you nor anyone else has the right to be pissed at him for that. anyone would ahve taken the title shot if given the chance. now he has the title so people like u need to deal with it. And saying the herring fight wasnt impressive because he didnt finish him is laughable. Ya uz herring is so easy to finish right? tyhats why in all of his many fights herring has only been finished by fedor and crocop. You my friend are wrong on so many levels.

  66. dane drebin

    March 4, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    oh and nog submitted him with an anaconda choke i forgot about that but most of his losses to high level opponents were by decision. a dominating decision win over herring in ur third fight is very impressive no matter how u look at it.

  67. jimmy

    March 4, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    so what your saying is that brock turned down the NFL seriously who does that especially if he was half as good as you say. Brock is a good at being big and fast but i dont see him evolving into a great mma champ. What Brock is is todays news and soon there will be another flavor. Frank dosent have to impress me by going to play football i watched him break peoples bones, and also Frank himself was in a bike accident and he also had to bounce back from that. You guys dont give Frank enough credit he climbed up the ranks he fought some of the best to be where he is and he never officially lost his title it was taken from him cause of the motorcycle accident. Im not a band wagon fan im not gonna automatically jump on Brocks nuts cause he hasnt proven himself to me yet when he does ill be sure to let all of you guys know. Frank is not my favorite fighter but he has been around for awhile and it pisses me off when i hear people not give him his credit like HE was lucky to beat Brock. Brock tapped and prematurily if you asked me, he was tapping before Frank even fully had the move locked in. Brock may be a great fighter someday im not saying that but im also not gonna say he is one now. all you guys have to do is watch part 2 of mir and lesnar and when lesnar does tap out and i trully feel he will than dont go crying saying he got luckey o.k .

  68. Al

    March 4, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    I agree Jimmy. I wouldn't hate brock so much if people weren't on his nuts so much. But people are saying he's the greatest thing…after four fights to his name…wtf? You know i'll be rooting for Mir May 23rd when I'm at the MGM grand…Royce Gracie said it best: Size/Strength and Speed mean nothing if you don't have technique as a fighter. I'm hoping Lesnar evolves as a fighter because he IS explosive, but I hope he gets some good experience (and when I say experience i mean a broken limb from Mir) and recovers and tries to perfect his game. But what the hell do i know, he might kill Mir in the ring, become the poster boy for UFC and never lose another fight in his life, bully his way to become senator of Minnesota and eventually win the presidency of the United States based on how much shit he can talk to the other canidate. Lesnar/White 2016!

    (I think i might have to off myself if that becomes true.)

  69. Morey

    March 4, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Lesnar is not a fighter that needs motivation. The guy lives in a secluded area and lives to train and perfect his sport. I don't like how he got a title shot with so little experience but he proved that he could hang with Couture and get a win.

    Brock represents a new breed of Heavyweight that is not just physically gifted like a Couture, but he has a size and strength that is at the limit of the division. Thats the difference. Add to that his speed and background in wrestling and you've got the UFC HW Champ.

  70. jimmy

    March 4, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    al your the man lesnar/ white 2016! If your saying being secluded and knowing how to wrestler is a new breed of fighter than matt hughs is also a new breed of fighter right. I feel a new breed of fighter is someone like georges st.pierre or anderson silva people willing to change the way they fight and train with the best in the world not someone that becomes a hermit and only lets people in their gym if they like them or not. To be the best you have to train with the best. For me Brock is way to cocky and annoying. When Brock beat Randy i was pissed but Randy is 40 something years old and he did give Brock a run for his money im just interested to see how Brock handles the rest of his career i feel he needs to be humbled and hopefully Frank is the one that does. Everyone has that one fight that humbles them, well maybe not Fedor but he is humble enough already. Who knows Brock could lose this fight go back really start to evolve his game and dominate the rest of his life or he could win this fight dominate for awhile never evolve his game and come against Fedor and get his ass handed to him. There are people who never evolve their game like Chuck, and Hughes, and royce Gracie, and they have all paid for it and we have seen it so you cant argue with that. But Lesnar/White 2016 4 sure!

  71. dane drebin

    March 4, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Jimmy if u read what i wrote brock turned down being in the NFL EUROPE not the NFL. Look it up man what i said i didnt pull out of my ass its fact but believe what you want. I'm not hating on mir in any way. i think mir is awesome i just think brock will beat him. theres a winner and a loser in every fight and my pick for this fight is brock due to watching the last fight where brock was working him over before getting subbed. i think brocks sub defense will be way better and i think he will have improved more drastically than mir. Add on his size and strength advantage and its not that crazy of a prediction. A lot of people agree with me. You are the one hating on brock because you hate the wwe or brock for some wierd reason. You wanna talk about how cocky brock is frank was just as cocky on the ultimate fighter so i dont really understand that arguement.

  72. Al

    March 4, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    yea dane your right, there both cocky and think very highly of themselves, but one has a little bit more right to be that way then the other, you decide here.

    Mir came into the UFC at a young age, won a few, lost one, then went on a winning streak and broke sylvia's forearm to get the title. While the title holder he got in a bad motorcycle crash leaving him with the doctors opinion that he would never walk again. Went through a hell of a rehab and got back in the octagon. Once he got back he was going through some head games with himself and lost two of three fights. He then realized to be the best he had to be the best frank mir he could be…then showed us with two submission wins, and one of the best performances of his career to win back a belt he lost in the octagon. Now he's cocky.

    Lesnar went through college, became a pro wrestler, got tired with it, then he's all about football being his calling, couldn't make it there. So now lets give mma a shot. after a questionable call to give him a title shot after three pro fights, he wins the title from an aging Randy Couture. I love Randy and he was controlling that fight until he got grazed and went down. Now through four mma fights i've never seen anyone as cocky as him.

    I'm going to give this one to mir. If Lesnar wasn't such a cocky bitch after less pro fights then i have amatuer fights, maybe I wouldn't be as down on him. Maybe a little humbling comments from him, but no. I hope he gets his ass pounded in and a wake up call. That saying I bet he is working extremely hard, and I hope he is training as hard as he runs his mouth, and if he is, man he's going to be one tough asshole to beat.

  73. Al

    March 4, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Mir belt he *NEVER* lost in the octagon

  74. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 12:41 am

    i just figure i eould say that Al says things a little better than me, but i fell exactly the same. Brock/ White 2016!

  75. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 2:38 am

    Jimmy…what the hell are you talking about Lesna/white 2016…Dude you have absolutly no credibility or purpose being on here with your idiotic and stupid comments…get your facts before you write you. Brock is NCAA national wrestling champion in the big ten as a HWGHT…do you know how hard it is to wrestle at a Div 1 school and be an all american, runner up and national champion with a record of 106-5 with never beign pinnned…thats fucking amazing get over his WWE days cause before he made tha decision it was the olympics or $$$$ i am sorry but no man would turn down instant millions at such a young age over trying out for the olympics. Then he got tired and worn out from the traveling and pain from wrestling every night and he decided to pursue the NFL which shocked many for not playing since HS and although he was gifted with his natural abilities having not played since HS made difference in his overall play and while he was eventuallly cut he was the LAST MAN CUT from the practice squad due to a motocycle injury and they offererd him a spot on NFL europe which he declined and while he didnt make it in the NFL him even trying to was a major accomplishment as he did make the practice squad during preseason and that is making the team in a sense.

    I dont know why you are so against brock and i dont care but you need to realize that Brock is perfect for MMA right now and can do very well and has the potential to become one the greatest HWGHTS of all time down the road. He is still young and inexperience with only 3 years of Total MMA time and 4 fights but his overall athletic ability and skills is what sets him apart and puts people in the situation to give him respect and to see where he can go from here on out wether you agree with it or not plus he is a money maker due to his exposer over the world. Lesnar still needs to develop more but give him time he has only been training for 3 years with 4 fights.. i never said he deserved his title fight my griend i stated that i didnt think he deserved it so early…go back and read my comments, Jimmy your as dumb as nails for even making such silly comments which you clearly no nothing about and just hate the man for no such reason only fro mwaht i can see is that you see some ex WWE fake wrestler come in and demolish his opponents in MMA. Anyways Mir is the most cockiest fighter ever the man said he was going to demolish Lesnar the first fight and while he sneaked out a victory against an unexperienced fighter at the time which in my book isnt all the great to beat a rookie as its excpected Mir got rocked and thrown around like a ragdoll which gave him much promise in this sport even though he lost the fight and while you think Lesnar tapped early you again obviously dont understand MMA or submisions and damage a knee bar can do to you…Mir had it locked in tight and while he could of struggled for bit longer and possibly could of broken out of it its not worth it as it was his rookie debut and what good would it be if he went another 10 or 30 seconds struggling to get out and then tear something and be out a year…..its not worth it and Lesnar made the right decision to tap, he put on a great performance and in MMA you win some you lose some but you always want to live to fight another day. The knee while strong is also weak especially if someones hipps are wrapped around it and pulling back on it you can easily tear a ligament. Mir is a BJJ blackbelt and to have beaten a rookie was no big deal but the fact that lesnar dominated him for 80 seconds of the 90 proved to many that he has talent.

    Bottom line, your full of nothing my friend but your comments are your own and your entitled to have them. all i have to say is when Lesnar beats the living hell out of Mir dont cry to hard.

  76. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 4:37 am

    Well you said 2 stupid things first of all he was CUT from the nfl cause someone else was better than him right not because he turned them down. To say i dont know mma cause i dont know brock is fuckin retarted brock is not mma brock is a wrestler plane and simple, and if you have read any of what i said, i said brock could be a great fighter in the FUTURE he just has to be humbled! To say Frank snuck in an stole the win from him well im sorry this isnt wwe and every fight isnt fixed but submissions are part of the game and people use them in order to win if they are losing standing up. The only person who sounds like a fuckin idiot is YOU. Instead on watching wwe all those years you should have been watching mma, which i have since i was in the 7th grade and i am now 29 so piss off. Frank is cocky your absolutely right but dont you think he has the right rember he has never lost his title in the octagon and he had to climb up the ranks to achieve what he has dana didnt just give him anything. Brock reminds me of Tito Ortiz Dana gave him all the easy fights and made Chuck fight all the hard ones. Who knows how good Brock will be in the future and he isnt really that young he is over 30 right.

    What kind of comment is he didnt want to break a bone so he tapped prematurily. Champs dont tapp! Espcially when it is a knee bar its one of the easiest moves to get out of and if he wouldve been training to become one of the best he wouldve known that he dosent want to EVOLVE. Well soon we will see if he really wants to evolve wont we and i hope not to hear any more of your nut swinging about brock. I mean damn are you wearing brock underwear jackin it to a brock poster then take your time out to bring your crap in here?

    I said Frank is not my favorite fighter im just sick hearing people say brock is gonna run through Frank he didnt do it in the first fight and i dont see him doing it again, because when frank put him in that knee bar he tapped quick so whats gonna happen when brock gets put in an arm bar or triangle choke or rear naked choke? Frank is a black belt in ju jitsu! Before brock got LUCKEY with his graze against a 40 something year old randy what did he hold a fuckin stupid wwe heavyweight belt!

    Hey when you get brocks cock out of your hands im interested to see what your dumb ass is gonna come up with next and before you say anything think does brock have a chance against Fedor even if it was for MONEY? HELL FUCKIN NO!

  77. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 4:54 am

    Brock/White 2016!!

  78. roy

    March 5, 2009 at 5:03 am

    dam you two are perfect to debate each other with those long post, you both made some good points but no need for the name calling or the gay shit(save that for your other favorite web site).jk

  79. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 5:13 am

    well shit he sure does love that guy im startning to wonder.

  80. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 5:49 am

    Lesnar is one of my favs but as Roy knows i didnt just jump on the bangwagon i never really cared to watch his WWE or fake wrestling. i knew of lesnar way before his WWE days as he was in minnesota training for his NCAA title when i was up there at J robinsons wrestling camp training for my CIF run. I am not saying i know the guy but to see someone you saw and trained around with become a international stare and then to go into MMA the sport you love to watch i cant help but be in favor of him. Not to mention what he has accomplished in such little time in MMA.

    Your point make no sense sure he was cut by the vikings yeah someone was better than him but that doesnt take away from the fact that he had never played football since HS and he was 28 at the time i believe and he impressed alot of scouts and sports analysts not to mention he was the last man cut and they only cut him because they stated he needed another year in training camp before he could start so they wanted him to go to NFL europe read the articles i dont make shit up Jimmy…your just such a hater its ridiculous and to say that Brock didnt walk all over Mir is retarded…re watch the fight what the fuck took place for 80 seconds oh ya lesnar beating Mir ass, dude are you kidding me everyone knows that a knee bar is one the most painfull holds and hardest holds to get out of if itssunk in….i am not going to debate that shit anymore cause anyone who wants to coninue there career will tap if they cant get out of a sub within a mere few seconds its not worth ruining your body and career over that…

    So your calling Couture a piece of crap too as just a wrestler??? pretty much cause thats where Couture began wrestling…alot of people even couture feel that Lesnar is just a bigger Couture and dude hate if you must but you cant say that Lesnar hasnt dominated his fights with the exception of maybe Randy's even though he KO'd him with a grazed punch off the side of his head.

    If Mir wins congrats to him but its very unlikely based upon the first fight and to think that Lesnar camp will have a great gameplan and Mir can not match Lesnar's abilities he can not the only Mir wins is bySubmission which could happen but not likely. Say what you want but i still think your full of Shit, and thats just my opinion. Eat my words Lesnar will destroy Mir and if he loses than i will be the first to congratulate Mir but i just dont see how he can win realisticly.

    Roy is right name calling isnt appropriate and i am sorry for that but it irritates me when people talk shit and dont know WTF there talking about they get some facts and before they read it all jump to conclusions. Anyways nice debateting with ya Jimmy. hope to debate again on something else.

  81. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 6:16 am

    yea same to you sorry about the name calling, and im not saying that about randy i also have a wrestling past so im not saing anything about that. The way i feel is that Brock hasnt proven himself to me YET, and who knows in the future he may and i really hope he does cause he is explosive and possibly a great future in this sport if he dosent get bored with it, thats my problem with the guy. Like i said sorry for the name calling i shouldnt have let you get to me like that i tried not to but all that crap you were talking just pissed me off ya know.

    how can you say you dont see how he can win realisticly when the man beat him the first time? you dont make any since to me. When you apologize for talking shit and in the same breath start talking shit again that confuses the shit outta me to, oh well thats just the person you are i guess a knee bar is painful if you let someone sink it in but it is one of the easiest to kick out of, and if you had the history you say you did than you of all people would know that. Randy may have started in wrestling but he evolved into what he is today so to say brock is a young randy may be true but so is alot of other people what seperates randy from other people is what he has done with his career, and what he has become.

    Be prepared for me to be around this forum for a long time i dont back down from ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  82. roy

    March 5, 2009 at 6:27 am

    good stuff, i don't like either one of them but i see lesnar winning this one, of course i wouldn't be to suprized if mir won as he did do it before but i think lesnar is the better of the two now and he still has alot to prove as jimmy says but so far he has answered the call and i see him avenging his loss.

  83. roy

    March 5, 2009 at 6:28 am

    yeah tim i know lesnar is your guy thats why i don't jump on you for all the love you show him i feel the same way about my favorites too win or lose you stand by them.

  84. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 6:34 am

    LOL i love it…your not such a loser afterall you got bite…seriously though much respect for apology and going forward.

    What i am saying is for the first 80 seconds of the fight Lesnar dominated Mir if lesnar stays away from the subs i just dont see how Mir can match up to him any other way. I just dont see it happening but weirder things have happend and i never count a fighter out but unless Lesnar makes another rookie mistake he wins.

    In respect to a knee bar yes i actually train MMA and while it may seem easy to break out of its not nor is it worth trying if you cant immediately break it, as if you understood hte physics behind the hold you whould know that the force of the lower body and upper body both pulling back hyperextention of the knee joint if very painfull and can cause serious after affects and the knees are not something to take lightly especially for someone in MMA or wrestling as your knees are everything in MMA you dont have healthy knees and you will become slow and lethargic in fights…brock made a good decison to tap when he did as he was a rookie and new to the sport…i am sorry but thats how i feel as well as many others knee bars are painfull and should not be taken lightly.

  85. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 6:39 am

    Roy, i agree with you and thanks win or lose we stick by them and thats a true MMA fan if you all can agree, you stick by your fav fighters no matter what.

  86. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 6:41 am

    You opened my eyes up to Fedor and i admit he is one of my favs now too i really didnt like him at first but after watching how good he really is and learning more about his background i am fascinated by him.

  87. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 6:41 am

    Yea i know they are very painful with lots of reprocutions. I love all this shit alot of people i usually talk to dont know shit about mma, but i have to say i think im in love with this forum! Hey we can agree with one thing though boxing as a sport is dead mma is the real deal!

  88. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 6:43 am

    Fedor is my fav and will stand be him no matter what!!!!!

  89. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 6:46 am

    I agree to that my friend…but Boxing made the way for MMA.

  90. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 6:56 am

    But i only liked boxing back in the Tyson days before he got all crazy. MMA rules.

  91. roy

    March 5, 2009 at 6:56 am

    mma has definetly taken over, but i will always love boxing, but shit i watch sumo wrestling sometimes so i will watch just about any combat sport.

  92. Tim

    March 5, 2009 at 8:12 am

    LOL no shit… that awesome you ever see Akebono sumo wrestle holy shit that man is huge….

  93. roy

    March 5, 2009 at 8:51 am

    yeah i saw him, he was hawian i liked watching it when it would come on.some of the matches where pretty good.

  94. Ryan S

    March 5, 2009 at 9:01 am

    Jimmy, its a pointless arguement with Tim. He is a hardcore Lesnar fan and probably won't change. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but Tim, you gotta chill with that "YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT MMA!!!!!" Jimmy is just as credible as the rest of us on this site, which means jack shit. There is no way to know if anyone on here truely knows what they are talking about.

  95. dane drebin

    March 5, 2009 at 10:05 am

    jimmy how exactly is a knee bar an easy move to escape out of? By the time u feel the pain in that move its usually too late. knee injuries are life long a lot of the time. Unless you think you could have gotten out of a deep kneebar from mir u should shut ur mouth. Mir is one of the best heavyweight ground fighters in the world that can actually apply it to mma well. Getting out of a knee bar from him would not be easy for anyone. A lot of leg locks arent even allowed to be used in some jui jitsui gyms during active grappling because like i said once u feel the pain ur knee is allready torn. and saying champions dont tap is stupid as fuck. Anderson and GSP have both tapped more than once and i think they know a little more about what it means to be a champion than you JIMMEHHHH!

  96. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    What i meant to say is a knee bar is easy to get out of before they lock it in all you got to do is kick them off its not that fuckin hard ive done it myself countles times so shut your fuckin mouth! Those people may have tapped and anderson silva even tapped from a knee bar so i guess i misspoke, but my point is brock prematurely tapped and if you dont agree watch the fight again. Next time my name comes out of your mouth say it right or dont say it at all daaaaaaaannnnnniiiiiiiieeeeeeeeooooooooppppqqqqq!!!!!!!!

    Oh yeah your the other brock lover i forgot who you were till i read the older posts. Just wait till brock gets put in another one of those knee bars ill be kicked back remembering this conversation laughing my ass off!

    I WILL NEVER SHUT MY MOUTH! Comments like those just fuel me bro its that competition i love competition in everything!

  97. Morey

    March 5, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Jimmy if you're experienced then you know that if a BJJ blackbelt like Mir locks you in, will all of the little details that a blackbelt posseses…you're in trouble.

    Brock wasn't experienced enough to react fast enough to roll out. He tried and it was just a split second too late before mir secured his leg. The fact that he tapped was smart.

    Even though it is hard to tear knee ligaments because the knee is so strong. When it happens you're never the same again. And depending on the flexability of someones joints, some guys pop a lot quicker than others.

  98. Al

    March 5, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    I love all this, and i can't wait til they fight…the suspense is killing me.

  99. Morey

    March 5, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    But I'm all talk. Jimmy why don't you tell me how you would have "kicked Mir off." BJJ gyms can be expensive so it would be cool if you could give us all some detailed pointers since you're done it countless times.

  100. jimmy

    March 5, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    you are exactly right when the move is LOCKED in it hurts like a bitch and can hurt you if done right. My argument is BEFORE he can lock it in its one of the easiest to get out of. I really hope Frank mir will do it again ok, i totally understand the knee bar if we must keep on talking about that than im down for the argument, but if we can please move on to how brock is gonna get one of his limbs broke.

    Brock taps first round again. you know he is gonna run in again and try to rip his head off thats just the type of fighter he is, and mir is gonna hit the mat grab a limb and not let go.

  101. dane drebin

    March 5, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    your about as cool as the JIMMMEEEHHH on southpark. lmao i bet u kick people off of u all the time that try to lock on kneebars u must be da coolest cat in ur gym. brock should take lessons from you. I'm not a brock lover i just respect him and think he will beat mir. Ur just a hater Jimmah. u jus a hata.

  102. tyler

    March 6, 2009 at 1:23 am

    i say lesner wins by submission

  103. Al

    March 11, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    um, why do you respect brock? Is it the cocky asshole thing without having barely any experience? Or him roiding up in professional wrestling to get bigger? Or him having to do anything with professional wrestling to begin with? Or the constant shit talking? Is it the seclusion mountain man thing…Or is it that shabby haircut he always sports?

    But very seriously, curious as to why one would respect brock lesnar…at all…or ever…

    i mean maybe if he beats mir, defends his belt a couple times, we actually see him get better…ya kno…

    sorry this just boggles the mind.

  104. Geneticfreak

    March 11, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    In all truth I beleave this fight will be a stand up war. I feel Brock now knows that Frank's bjj is real good and will not try to fight at all on the ground. I feel that this will be a fight that stays standing and it will come down to who is better at stand up. Brock has the power and I feel he has the better hands. I see Frank has more of the martial arts fighting style. Kick an knees. Really this is hard one to pick. If stays standing. You have the power that Brock has in his hands. Then again if Frank fights like he did against Nog his hands looked real good add the knees and kicks. This might be a real interesting fight.

  105. Tim

    March 12, 2009 at 1:25 am

    So someone stated i know SHIT ABOUT MMA!!! Really…and your right there is no way in telling who is lying on here but you can tell when someone has the knowldege in MMA or althletics period and obviously you dont cause you would realize that what i say or type usually is based always upon FACTS and real life events….such as this Brock isnt just some steroid freak and i dont know if he ever did them but i woud say Yes at one time, the man was Huge in Junior High why dont you read some articles in South Dakota and Minnesota on his HS wrestling days and college wrestling days, Steroids dont make you an athlete your either have the athletic ability or you dont and you cant learn it, Brock has a natural ability that few posses for a man of his size, he is very powerfull and fast for a man that is 290lbs. i am not going to get into it but you see the first time Mir and Lesnar Fought you have to realize that was a Expert Vs a Rookie match up and while the Expert Prevailed the Rookie kicked his ass and showed great promise in defeat. I respect Lesnar becasue like him i am a former wrestler not this fake shit but HS and military wrestling career, its great to see someone that you have somewhat followed throughout the years minus the Pro wrestling days but that was a smart decision on his part for money reasons. I like brock but at the same time at any given moment would also critizize anything negative he has done like the Herring fight well he should of done those antics but i could see why due to him not getting any respect from Herrings camp. Argue with me hate me whatever i do not care, if the first fight was any idication how could you possibly say that Mir will win by submission…HMMM dont you think that Lesnar camp will have a great game plan to stay away from his subs hell Mir tried an Arm bar twice and twice Broke ripped right out of them i dont think Lesnar will make the same mistake twice and i dont see how Mir can stay standing with Lesnar when he got rocked the first fight.

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