Raw Las Vegas caught up with Randy Couture at a charity golf tournament to talk to him about his upcoming fight with WWE superstar Brock Lesnar at UFC 91.
September 25, 2008 at 5:57 pm
He's going to school Brock. He's just a smarter fighter. Brains over Brawn….I think he could pull it off.
September 25, 2008 at 7:35 pm
I agree with brains over brawn, but that is when there is equal amount of brain to brawn
There is a limit to how much brawn the brain can overtake… so to speak
Look at the Guida/Danzig fight, Danzig is the much more technical fighter, especially on the ground, but Guida's relentlessness overcame Danzig's technique
but then again, maybe couture's technique is enough to balance the brains/brawns in his favour…
do you think Coutures arm's are long enough to wrap around Brock for a Greco Clinch?
Couture's game plan is gonna have to be solid, cuz his wrestling control is gonna be limited against the NCAA champion
MMA advantage to Randy, but I'd give the wrestling advantage to Brock
September 25, 2008 at 7:38 pm
**when i mentioned couture's arm length, i meant that as a question and not a statement…
September 26, 2008 at 12:52 am
There are alot of factors involved for this fight that will predict that Lesnar should Win based upon his Size, Strength and wrestling ablility alone..Randy is going to have a very hard time against this guy for the pure fact he can not match him in anything, Strength, Overall Speed and Agility, Power and wrestling ability…Randy will not be able to clinch with Him and if he does it wont be for long…Lesnar is coming in with a huge advantage overall and will come in with a killer gameplan..where he can basically do anything he wants..where as Randy's gameplan is very limited no matter what it is as he is overmatched in many areas that he normally dominates…The only 2 ways Randy will win is if by Submission or Decision if he can hang in there with Lesnar and grunt it out. I never count the man out but honestly in this fight he is pretty much overwelmed and i just dont see Randy being able to control a 280lb Mack Truck come fight time where Randy will be a lean 225lbs…The key thing here is overall Power and Strenght and the wrestling ability of Lesnar…i think for the first time you are going to witness Randy being overwelmed and dominated i just dont believe Randy can Physically so anything against Lesnar that would put him a postion to win…If he does find a way to Win thats great and i will give him the credit for it but seriously it most likley willl not happen and Brock will be hte New UFC champ.
September 26, 2008 at 1:46 am
Size and strength isnt everything. Randy will win with his gameplan which will solidify the fact that he is the best gameplanner for his fights in the business right now.Lesnar can be submitted and he will most likely get caught in a guillotine choke shooting for a double. I could be wrong but I like randy and like always anything could happen. Hell couture could come out and ko lesnar. U never know. Sure its not likely but GSP losing to serra is a lot more of an upset and that happened lol.
September 26, 2008 at 3:04 am
Now its not but when you have that plus the overall Athletic ability and wrestling skills that Lesnar has…it will overmatch Randy or anyone for that matter…true he could get caught but what doesnt make you think that shooting for a double that Randy will be quick enough to have those reflexes to wrap his arm around that Huge/thick neck of Lesnars will lesnar explodes through him and drops him…Mathematcly wise the law of gravity…doesnt work in Randys' Favor. Hmm you have a 280lbs man of pure stranght running at you and grabbing your legs at a speed of about 2 seconds from drop to takendown…and you think Randy will have time to counter that into a choke? Dude no wrestler could ever do that there just isnt enough time for the mind and muscle to reflex in that sort of way…Not to mention if he somehow does what makes you think he can choke out lesnar and be strong enough to keep him in that postion….If you start to dissect the match Strength and Power and Speed are a HUGE factor in this fight and throw in the wrestling as well. Randy will not have much of a game plan as his game plan will be to stay away from lesnars power and not get taken down…hmm i dont think he can stay away from lesnars power and he will be taken down with ease…One thing is for sure if his game plan is the same as all the other times which the clinch and punch crap…this will not work with the much bigger and stronger and more conditioned wrestler as lesnar is. Randy is overmatch no matter what his gameplan is…you need to understand that Randy's skill set is extremly overmatched in this fight except for Submissions…and as i said the only way Randy will win is by sub or decision. Randy will not KO lesnar as i dont believe he will even take a punch to the face , plus he lacks the power. Seriously i give Randy the respect and the chance to win but a very very limited one as overall he is way overmatched and Lesnar can beat him inmanvy areas where as Randy is very limited as Lesnar's only weakness we have seen so far is Subs. Lesnar Wins and has Rany overmatched in my prediction as well as every other pure knowledgable MMA fan will agree with. There is just no question about it…the fact is Randy is extremely overmatched overall in this one and the likelhood of him winning is very slim…you talk about having a great gameplan…..No matter Randy's Game plan which is pretty obvious as he really has no other choice but to go for a submission or try and grunt it out for decision..So far we have not seen anyone that can takea punch and stay standing with Lesnar as he as dropped everyone so far with one punch. My point being again and i can go on an on Randy is overmatched heavily and it doesnt matter what gamplan he come in with…he is overmatched that is my point sure he has a chance to win but a very slim one.
September 26, 2008 at 3:38 am
I love Randy, he is a legend but the only way I see him winning this fight is IF Lesnar makes a very stupid mistake like he did against Mir. Which is VERY possible. BUT if he fights smart then I see that Lesnar will win a decision. I don't think he can stop Randy at this point in his young career. But I do think that because of his strength that he can dominated for five rounds.
September 26, 2008 at 3:55 am
We will have to wait and see what type of game plan Randy brings as it will have to be something like never before seen. Lesnar is something of a different and unique type of fighter that has never ever been seen before in MMA…the man gets better with every camp and fight…that is scarry..i cant wait to see how he looks in this one. I am sure he going to fight another conservative fight with him being new but also based upon whats on the line.
September 26, 2008 at 4:20 am
thats how i see him winning tim, if he fights conservative and just holds randy down and throws some gnp here and there he should win easy, if he gets to aggressive or trys to much he may leave himself open and randy will jump on any mistakes.
September 26, 2008 at 4:36 am
the way lesnar is going to win is if he bullrushes randy. the longer and slower the pace of the fight, the more randy is favored. randy will be adapting his game and will start off slow. i don't think randy has much of a chin. lesnar should start off fast like he did against mir, but i bet lesnar will rush randy and then try to take him down. randy should use his submission skills here.
September 26, 2008 at 4:37 am
Exactly!!! thats why i have been saying that Randy is overmatched in the areas he normally dominates therefore Lesnar will most likely be conservative again and will only try things if he feels comfortable enough to. There are many factors in this fight one being you mentioned if Lesnar makes a mistake can randy jump on it and control the much larger and stronger and overall faster fighter…He has come along way since the Mir fight and i dont see him making that mistake again…anything is possible but Randy is overmatched in this one and unless Brock makes a mistake and Randy can jump on it and control Lesnar then Randy really is in for a beating. He cant stand up with him orr wrestle with him so whats left….he must try and look for a sub opening…This will be a good test for both fighters and this is really history in the making in this one…the new up and comer against a legend…a passing of the torch you could say from old to new.
September 26, 2008 at 7:55 am
I'm starting to think Randy has more of a chance in this than I did before. Tim, you are absolutely right about being outmatched, but what about Lesnars standup? In each of his fights, it went to the ground fairly fast and no combinations were thrown, or at least barely any. I agree, Lesnars gonna probably start slow and feel out Randy, but I think thats gonna give randy a chance to throw fists with him, so I wonder how Lesnar can give and take not only punches, but combinations. I also wonder what Randy is doing for his takedown defense, because I think it might be a good idea to try to pick apart Lesnar a little on the feet before going straight to the ground. The standup is kind of foreign to Lesnar and, though it is possible, I don't think Lesnar will knock him out. I actually think he will be kind of sloppy on the feet, simply due to lack of experience. Also, how is Lesnar's conditioning? I wonder how many rounds he can go rolling on the ground. plus, I wonder how he can handle the constant up down up down if Randy can get back to his feet. I assume because of his athleticism, he can go for a while, but I don't mean like he did with Herring, I mean actually in someone's guard or even someone in his guard, or someone mounting him. I think either one of these guys could win, and I still think there is much more favor for Lesnar, but I'm not gonna count Randy out.
September 26, 2008 at 8:03 am
Don't get me wrong though, win lose or draw, both of these guys are going to earn a tremendous amount or respect from this fight, thats my definate forecast.
September 26, 2008 at 8:16 am
First off Stand up..Lesnar may not be the best but we have not seen much of this and from what we have see is that he can throw some nasty and powerfull punches that overhand right sent herring flying backwards and same thing with Mir twice..So i dont think Randy wants to stand with Lesnar due to this fact he will get overmatched and with those XXXXL size gloves of lesnar which no one has ever worn in MMA period will easily find his mark on randy's face while Randy has to deal with trying to find a way to throw and not ge hit back cause if he does he will get hurt bad like herring did and go flying. Lesnar conditioning will be superb as back in colleg he was known for his conditioning for being a heavywieght and have you seen his training routine..its pretty intense for a man of his size not to mention he can run the 40 in like 4.5 seconds…that is extremlty fast for a man of his size and wieght. You see 20 plus years of wrestling mean alot when it comes to rolling on the ground and using your muscles and getting up and down..so Lesnar will not have a problem in that catagory either. So Randy is basically screwed as you see he shouldnt stand with Lesnar and definetly not make this a wrestling match up or a clinch fight…Randy needs to kick and retreat and try and take Lesnar down and either GNP or Sub…but i dont see Randy being able to control a man like Lesnar very easily its going to take alot out of him just to try and control him on the ground if he gets him to the ground you see Lesnar will be 280lbs come fight time where Randy will be 225..he will be giving up over 50lbs of muscle and when your trying to control someone its like trying to push a car yourself up a hill..you can push and push but your not going to move it much and you will get tired just tryin to move the car up the hill. Anyways Lesnar will win…its just not in Randy's favor to win even though i never can count him out it just doesnt look good for him.
September 26, 2008 at 8:20 am
Of course they will..
September 26, 2008 at 9:15 am
i don't know about the stand up, lesnar does have a ton of power in his punches and they do damage but i don't know if its the knock out type of punch big guys tend to have alot of force in there punch but not the snap like lanky guys that knock you out.randy stood with alot of great strikers and won rizzo,slyvia,smith and liddel(he even out struck liddel in there first fight) and he has only been knocked out by liddell.so he may try to stand with brock but i real don't see brock trying to make this a stand up fight.
September 26, 2008 at 11:01 am
I see what you're saying Tim, but all I'm saying is a hard punch doesn't mean you're going to win the standup game though. If he throws sloppy, like I think he may do, Randy has more experience countering. If Lesnar can't come back fast enough or correctly from a sloppy punch or combination, he can get caught. And Roy, you bring up a good point. How was Belfort when Randy dismantled him? Was he in his prime then? That was before I started watching, but I've seen the fight. Randy didn't have too much trouble with him.
September 26, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I don't think Couture is going to KO or submit Lesnar because he is so big and strong. I think Couture could outpoint Lesnar but I don't know if he could last 3 rounds of punishment.
September 26, 2008 at 1:35 pm
You all are missing the point NO ONE HAS STOOD WITH LESNAR YET AND COME OUT ON THE WINNING END..3 have standed up with him and all 3 failed and got rocked by one punch…hell one guy even tapped out due to strikes from him and the other flew and i mean literally flew backwards like 10 feet..now come on give the man some credit if lesnar can do that to guys weighing over 250 just imagine what a punch will do to Randy as well at 225..nothing is going to change their…the 4XL gloves wont miss randys head much and when it connects he to will go flat on his back just wait…lesnar has proved that he has a stand up game which being watch the F out if he connects your going down…i didnt say out i said down. Randy doesnt want to stand with him and i am sure that Lesnar doesnt want to either..but we may all be surprised with him lesnar threw a high knee to start his last match and landed some high power kicks and knees and his takedowns are top notch and very very fast and powerful…Randy may understand where lesnar is coming from but physically i dont believe he can match lesnar and therfore he is overmatched..you can not compare a 280lb true HWGHT to Belfort..in fact you cant compare anyone to lesnar..no one is like him and as Randy said himself there are not to many HWGHTS with his size that moves the way he does..Lesnar is athleticly superb and Randy may have a game plan but can he follow through with it against someone that literally overmatches him…there is no doubt about this if they stand up and lesnar connects with randy head he is going down every time with one punch from him…based upon his last 3 fights he has proven that every time against much bigger opponents. Randy will have his hands full..lesnar is a beast like no other..i dont think Randy can control him i just think he is too damn strong and fast for Randy…but there is always that chance and as Randy said anything can happen. Both of them are warriors thats for sure as lesnar may has not proved it here but his past has earned him that title not to many men can say they are a National Champion have a college record of 106-5, never got pinned, wrestled for WWE and had a great career even though its entertainment it still puts a toll on your body as he has suffered concussions, were a member of the minnestoa Vikings ran the 40 in like 4.5seconds wieging 295 oh and at 31 made the transition to fight professionally in the UFC and have proven himself with only 3 fights to his name…sure he has stuff to work and i am not saying he is the greatest fighter ever but he does have the ability to become a legend like Randy is and personally i dont think mentally Lesnar will let Randy beat him as there is to much on the line..this fight wil be the passing of the torch..
September 26, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Tim I'm sorry but beating a can, getting tapped by Mir, and blanketing Heath Herring doesn't mean you have made a name for yourself. It's only because people recognize Lesnar from WWE that he has a name for himself. If some nobody did what Lesnar did, they would not be getting a title shot, but because he is Brock Lesnar, he does. It's buisness. Don't mistaken it for something else.
September 26, 2008 at 1:59 pm
First off…all i am saying is Lesnar has earned everything so far except the title shot i personlly believe there are others that deserve it more at this time but due to the scenario..Kongo bailed on the fight due to an injury and 2 of the other HWGHTS that would be good opponents were both sceduled for a fight and dont have a name and your right its purely a business and like it or not lesnar will be champion and go on to face MIR in a rematch that is what the UFC is hoping for as well as that would bring great ratings as well. Anyways in all due respect Lesnar made a name for himself well before the WWE crap…he was a national champion and ranked number 1 HWGHT for 2 years and the US olympic team offered him a spot for 2000 olympics but he declined and chose to make money in the WWE…now true he gained most of his world wide fame from there but people knew him before the WWE days just not as much. Lesnar still has alot to learn but he is getting better with each fight…and i didnt say beating those 3 means he made a name for himself it made him a scarry ass Fighter to fight…win or lose he rocked the shit out of MIR and made Herring look like a damn rookie, he beat some guy who was 7'0 365lbs..i guess i cant say to much on that but overall he has proven he is someone to not take lightly and someone to be afraid of fighting wise..someone who poses as a threat…True anyone else besides lesnar would probably not be getting this but oh well its business so deal with it and learn to respect the outcome no matter what it may be. Win or lose lesnar will make history
September 26, 2008 at 2:46 pm
i think its a combo if marketing because lesnar is famous and the fact that he is so physically imposing that he is a problem for any heavyweight fighter. randy says that he is still a wrestler and i agree but if lesnar ever transitions into a full mma fighter he is really going to be scary.
September 26, 2008 at 6:04 pm
hey i dont care how far along u think lesnar is right now. his basics are wrestling and so are randy's whether u like it or not. randy's a 5 time champion but he wouldnt be there if it weren't for wrestling. i think randy is a better fighter. BUT!!!! styles make fights. and ufc knows it! lesnar is a bad matchup for the aging couture and i think we will all see that when the fight goes down. i like randy more than brock and will be cheering for him. i still think brock will be too much and randy doesnt have the skill to pull out the sub. i am however hoping randy has enough greco roman wrestling skill to keep the fight on the feet and i wanna see them both box it out. i think randy is the better wrestler but i also think if brock lands one punch it will be better then chucks and can K.O. randy at any time.
September 26, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Ok yeah Couture is outmatched in size stengh and age but he is much smarter in the ring with a hell ofa lot more exp. and has been in some tough wars and came out of them. Hell he could piece Lesnar up take his back standing and rnc him. Randy is great with game plans. Come on really brock will not KO randy better then chuck did either time lol. Randy will come with something interesting. I bet randy will for sure try and cut him maybe with elbows and also I think Randy is gonna be faster then Lesnar. So speed is with Randy on this one. But I have counted randy out a couple of times and he has proven me wrong. Now lets see if he proves me right.
September 26, 2008 at 11:53 pm
To compare Lesnar to Liddell as a striker is ridiculous. Liddell has been a striker for years, and has more experience doing it. He knows how to recover from missed or blocked punches and knows better than Lesnar how to watch out for counter punches. Come on, saying that Lesnar is a good striker because he knocked people down with one punch when they were wide open? No one has really truely seen his standup game, and I think Randy's is better. And when did game plans all of a sudden become something that can't win you a fight? Sorry guys, but thats what jiu jitsu is all about, fighting a bigger and stronger opponent. Using that extra weight as leverage. And I never said Belfort could hit as hard as Lesnar, Belfort had the speed. I would take fast hands over heavy hands any day. Belfort's speed meant nothing to Randy, that's the only reason I brought that up. If Randy can move his hands fast enough, he can hit and bring his hands back to his face fast enough. Thats where I think part of the standup advantage is with Randy.
September 27, 2008 at 9:48 am
I would not fear either of them.
September 27, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Wow…everyone seems to know it all…i bet you all our MMA fighter or have a wrestling background huh? given some of you have brought on good points while others are so deep into this whole Randy's experience and Randy's faster…crap it makes me sick…i do not care who you are and how experienced you are…MIR is probably the most expeience BJJ expert in MMA UFC and he had a very hard time with lesnar and even said that he hopes he doesnt have to fight him again. You obviously have no consideration for the fact that Randy is 45 years old and the days when he wrestled are far weaker than todays styles and competion….not to mention Randy NEVER WRESTLED at HWGHT and his comp;etion was not as tough as HWGHT and especially like Lesnar being a NAtional Champion which Randy NEVER was by the way only runner ups sorry folks…Randy college record in 4 years is no where near the caliber as lesnars at 106-5 record only losing my decisions…i hate to break it to you but lesnar is the much better overall wrestler i have personally seen him wrestle at J Robinsons Camp in Minnestota back in 2000 when he won his national title…he is one scarry dude trust me..i have watched video of Randy wrestle and altough he was quick..he is no where near as fast or as athleticly talented as lesnar is in Wrestling…go watch it for yourslef on you tube. Everyone has to come in with a game plan and some game plans will never work…there called game plans…not full proof plans for a reason. The fact is that lesnar is to big, strong, fast, powerfull and his conditioning will be like no other for someone at his size. Randy has his hands full and this one will not go past the 3rd round…lesnar is out to prove something with this fight and he will TKO Randy..i just dont see Randy being able to control lesnar or switch around and grab his neck like someone mentioned..come on a 6'3 280lbs man who is in his comfort zone when working close with someone meaning wrestling will let randy a 225lbs 6'1 man who is past his prime not near in the overall conditioning level as Lesnar is and no where near as strong..hell if lesnar wanted to he could pick Randy up over his head and drop his ass strait to hell and KO him from the power and i dont mean no WWE shit either…Lesnar pciks up 250lb punching bags and throughs them over his head while spinning them as a conditiong angle to work his control and power and speed with his hands. The stand up advantage may go to Randy but the fact is Randy can not take a Lesnar punch to the face without being knocked flat on his ass first…one punch folks i give it one punch. Sorry but lesnar has proven time and time again so far with only 3 fights that he can knock people down with one punch and talk about being wide open…well if no one was ever wide open than we would never have a knockout. Seriously i cant wait for all you Randy lovers to find out that he is in for a hell of a fight win or lose…i like Randy but i dont see him winning this fight.
September 27, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Randy is clearly mosre experienced but experienced only gets you so far in life……
Tong Po (Click Here)
September 27, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Not only am I fighter… I am the best fighter!
September 27, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Sorry about our opinions Tim. We'll try to keep them to ourselves. And Tong Po, you may be a fighter, but you don't have shit on Kurt Sloane or David Sloane
September 27, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I didnt say lesnar is a better striker than lidell morons. but if u think that lesnar cant fuck randy up with those hams for hands of his ur dumb. randy might have better striking but i can promise u that lesnar has way heavier hands and all it will take is a good one. he has dropped all his opponents and randy isnt exactly known for his iron chin. he's been stopped by people with way less power. if randy can take a jab from lesnar i will be impressed. if u think lesnars 290 frame cant match lidells power ur an idiot. just because we dont see that much of lesnars standup doesnt mean he cant striek. he's a wreslter what do u think he's gunna do in the heat of the moment. i know he would fuck kimbo on the feet and thats for sure. judge his striking from the little we have seen and every punch he lands he knocks people on their asses.
September 27, 2008 at 9:24 pm
LOL heknocks the down because they are trying to defend the shot and a punch its not like he fucking rocked anyone close enough to even get it close to bein stopped. So when he actally hurts someone with one of his hands then shut up about it.And its funny u bring up kimbo. U have a serious grudge against him for real. Who are u too say Lesnar would fuck him up on the feet. Lesnar wouldnt stand with him buddy so ur point is mute. And Tim wrestling in college isnt the same as wrestling in mma. Just look at Koscheck. He was suppose to e the best college wrestler to fight in mma and look what happened when he fought somebody like GSP. Your background in college wrestling dont makeu the best mma wrestler. He has Size lets face it. Other then that and age hes done for. The top UFC guys say when fight time comes its 90% mental. Ok then im going with Randy. Tim we know how personal ur taking this so please dont kill urself b/c i statede my opinion it will be ok.
September 27, 2008 at 9:25 pm
September 28, 2008 at 6:49 am
Steve..i am not taking anything personal and be carefull who you are talking to…obviously you dont know Shit about wrestling period…true wrestling alone does not win fights but it sure as hell gives you the added leverage and control you need to win a fight…by any thought do you have any idea what wrestling really is? truly and deeply what is involved physically…i think not…as you would be so quick to say wrestling in college and MMA are different..hell there isnt a difference except in MMA you can through fists and kicks…do yourself a favor and get some knowledge on wrestling and how greatly involved your mind is with your body to be able to control your opponent…wrestling is all about control. GSP is great…and i am sorry but Koischek wasnt that great he was the greatest to come into his wieght class but not the greatest wrestler to turn MMA so far that has been Randy and Lesnar. Steve…honestly i would use your words wisely and i dont take anything personal i just state FACTS and the TRUTH wether you like it or not…disagree with me…cause i do not give a care in the world. Anyways i am done with this…bottom line is Lesnar is like no other fighter to come into MMA and still has alot to work on and that is scarry.
September 28, 2008 at 6:52 am
It is true Ryan S that if your last name is Sloan or Sloane, since 1 and 2 had them spelled different… and as long as they are trained by Xian then you can defeat me! This makes Po very sad!
September 28, 2008 at 6:53 am
Oh and Heaths Eye just got mangled by itself..didnt it STEVE…no i believe a single punch from lesnar mangled his eye so bag it fractured his eye socket and now heaths career is in jeapordy as he has been having blurred vision since that fight. So your wrong dude…one punch from lesnar will take anyone down.
September 28, 2008 at 6:55 am
There are some serious weirdos on this site…seriously…
September 28, 2008 at 6:57 am
I'm glad you agree with me TIM, Steve acts like he knows everything but loses arguments left and right. Fucker is always tryin to correct people when they're not wrong or just stationg their opinions. The guy's a jackass and every1 sees it!
September 28, 2008 at 7:11 am
Tong Po will make steve bleed like Mylee, Mylee… good f**k!
Yeah, I don't know if you know this Steve, but Lesnar, is God. One punch could kill his opponent AND most of their family. Be careful who you're talking to? What the fuck is ANYONE on this site gonna do to anyone? Tim, the only reason anyone is getting irritated with you is because we state our opinions and you tell us why they are wrong with your FACTS and TRUTH. And I completely disagree about wrestling in MMA and wrestling in college. In college, no one is trying to SUBMIT you. Whether you like it or not, there are plenty of things in wrestling that you can't do in MMA, because you will get caught in a submission or knocked out. I'm going to assume you were a wrestler, and I could go out on a limb and say you might be a coach. Either way, my origional opinion on this was that I thought Randy has more of a chance than I originally thought. I never said I knew he was gonna win, I just said he had a better chance than I originally thought. Fuck, Lesnar probably will win, AGAIN, all I'm saying is don't count Randy out.
September 28, 2008 at 7:15 am
Now Ryan S, that's not what steve says so it can't be true!
September 28, 2008 at 10:39 am
i think it's hilarious that all the people who are trying to downplay lesnars size, strength, and obvious talent are the ones who were saying heath herring by crazy knockout lmao. and i only braught up kimbo steve because u never stop swinging from his nuts. wasnt it u who said hmmm kimbo and lesnar would be an interesting fight. and i said lesnar would destroy him standing or on the ground. couple fights later and the world finds out that kimbo has nothing close to a decent ground game and lesnar has dropped every one of his opponents. first opponent tapped due to strikes, second was a former world champion and got dropped with a sloppy ass jab, and third was known for his striking and did a fucking back flip fom lesnars first punch thrown. and thats not personal those are just facts. steve thinks kimbo can strike with anyone…. and i agree with him as long as they are over 44 or have a losing record lmao
September 28, 2008 at 11:08 am
and i have nothing against kimbo he seems like a good guy just trying to make a living. he always brings an exciting fight and puts on an entertaining show. it's his retarded fans that make it hard to support him.
September 28, 2008 at 11:13 am
come on… Dane….. tell us how you really feel
September 28, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Since there has been a lot of talk about wrestling i would like to ask a question. Which style does everyone think is a better base for mma, collegiate (Brock) or greco-roman (Randy)? I think the greco would be the more beneficial in the clinch and the whole dirty boxing thing.
September 28, 2008 at 10:47 pm
i think randy's greco will be beneficial against brock because he's not going to be able to single leg him very easily and it would make him more comfortable in the clinch i agree.
September 28, 2008 at 10:49 pm
but randy is a full mma fighter now. i think his biggest advantage will be knowing where brocks limitations are in mma.
September 29, 2008 at 12:44 am
Those are all good points but you forgot to take into consideration the fact that lesnar is way too strong for Randy so how is Randy going to be able to stop a single leg takedow…when it takes Lesnar about 2 seconds from drop to takedown…i am sorry but the law of gravity prevails Heavy wieght will always conquer lesser wieght thats jus the way it is… if lesnar comes full force with his take downs thats a 28lbs man very strong and fast man and i dont see Randy being able to stop that wether or not hi Greco Roman style is great or not…no matter how good you are you cant mess with Strength and Speed especially when your outwieghed by 50 plus pounds..Randy will not be able to stop a full force takedown attempt from lesnar..where as Lesnar can stop Randy's attempts…its going to be a great match.
September 29, 2008 at 1:39 am
LMAO I lose arguements left and right watch out who im talking to? U r fucking hilarious. U aint gonna do shit bitch. An Gobblecocks how can i lose an arguement thats not over. I am saying that tim is taking this real personal like someone is talking about him and not lesnar. U r just mad u cant think of things to say when i call out ur stupid coments gobblecocks. And Tim we get it u you obviously have a mancrush on Lesnar. He can wrestle u any timew right tim wink wink. Randy and Lesnar havent fought yet and Tim u r saying Randy has no chance. Oh wait that right u ave said he has no chance then u say he does and then u go back to how good h is standing and how he is SO great at wrestling. K he is good at wrestling but as a striker he caught Herring of guard and Mir it was more of a kick slip punch situation and Mir didnt want to stand with Lesnar anyways. So he gave up the takedown. Travus Lutter KO'd Marvin Eastman but that dont mean he can strike good. Also Oswald how did I try and point out he was wrong? I stated my opinion And Dane I never said it would be an interesting fight so dont put words in my mouth. That fight would be boring. Lesnar takedown g&p for 3 rounds or maybe he could get te ref to stop it but still lesnar cant strike with kimbo IMO. Also Tim u call every out an say we know it all b/c we give our opinions that we ALL MUST BE FIGHTERS CUZ WE KNOW IT ALL. Well what is it u do? Do u train in mma and fight? You talk like u have trained the best of thew best and ur opinion is somehow a fact and if anyone disagrees they are wrong. Calm down b/c obviously u like to wrestle instead of stand and fight.U make it sound like Lesnar has a good chance against Fedor. Let me guess yeah he would pose a lot of problems for Fedor. Guess what it would be over as fast as the mir lesnar fight. Like Ryan S said u take this too serious we arent guaranting Lesnar or Randy will win we are sayingthat Randy has a better chance then u and many think and thats our opinion. And dont try and state facts that arent facts. MMA wrestling is different then College for the same reasons that ryan said. Just like a great BJJ guy who comes into the ufc and goes to the ground they arent use to getting hit. Lesnar also has to worry not only about punches and elbows but submissions. NOW THAT IS A FUCKING FACT.
September 29, 2008 at 2:21 am
Steve…dont make this personal i am not…your opinions are one thing and although you have some good points…your way off line with alot of things…Yes i wrestled back in HS and more frequently i do some MMA i dont fight i just train for fun and excersice so i do know what it is like to make the transition from having a wrestling background to MMA..i am not great i do not fight but i train and get hit and wrestling has a huge impact in MMA…not to mention Strength…you see the other day i went against a BJJ black belt and i am not a very big guy about 185lbs and he was about 170 and the guy could not take me down nor could he get a Submission on me…our sparring match ended in a draw and most of the match i had him flat on his back..which in wrestling he would of been pinned already and i would of won…point being yes i prefer to wrestle and although i went for submission i couldnt against the BJJ black belt as he knew how to counter but he couldnt do anything with me as i used my wrestling background to manuever him into postions and flip him and roll him and slam him over and over in other words i was stronger and more conditioned but i have also faced other wrestler that were weaker than me and altough its a pain i usually end up submitting them as i am much stronger and an overall better wrestler as i was a runner up State champion for California but there is this one guy who is stronger than me but he is a more experienced and better overall wrestler than me and i can not beat him nor can the BJJ black belt etc…point being again and this is merely just an example folks and no means to boast but wrestlers are simply much stronger in areas where they need to be MMA situations but you have a point where a wrestler isnt thinking about getting hit and therefore his mindset might change but that is called training and adapting and wrestler are the best at adapting to situations example Randy Couture….altthough a wrestlers background is not familiar with boxing or kicks or Subs…Wrestling is purely about controlling your opponents and that is why it transitions extremely well into MMA as most submission can be done through wrestling moves. Wrestling requires the most conditiond and body control to be a succesful wreslter and the majority of wrestlers are the most conditioned athletes and through in some overall MMA skills and some size and strenght and speed and you have yourslef one hell of a fighter…I never said Randy has no chance….he has a chance its just not the good of one he is facing to much adversity and overwelming skills but as i have said before Randy is a legend and for that i have to give him that respect.
September 29, 2008 at 3:12 am
So call me what you want as i dont care i dont know you and you dont know me but if your going to try and degrade someone on this site or anyother that really shows your integtity and overall intelligence as real men dont talk shit on this sil sites, i am merely pointing out your lack of knowledge in areas even if those are your opinions which your entitled to have…just trying to educate you make you actually think about this match up.
September 29, 2008 at 7:35 am
Yeah well as u say u r trying to educate me I would say that me and ryan s r trying to do the same to you but to be honest nobody knows how this fight is going to end and u DID get defensive when others thought randy had a chance but all that aside I really dont care because the truth is randy is 45 yrs old with years of experience on lesnar and lesnar is younger and more powerful that is all obvious. I said what I hope and think is going to happen but like always u cant know whats going to happen so im done arguing and I am ready to argue about something else.
September 29, 2008 at 7:47 am
See i did teach you something…no one wins an argument….and we will have to wait and see…by the way i never said randy had no chance…i said he didnt have much of one even with all those 45 years of experience in him since he was a baby he was doing MMA right?..JK but seriously Lesnar has over 20 years of wrestling experience so it should be a good match i hope its not a one sided shin dig like th Herring fight.
September 29, 2008 at 8:36 am
nobody said randy doesnt have a chance. that would be a stupid statement. randy's a warrior. he wins all the time when u dont think he will. he's the champ no shit he has a chance. he should consider himself lucky to be facing brock when brock's only had 3 fights because i think brock in a few years is gunna be near unstopable. everyone knows randy could take it it's mma anything can happen. i have never seen randy win a fight where he couldnt control someone and bully them around and alls im saying is that will be very hard to takedown brock and keep him there.
September 29, 2008 at 8:45 am
Spoken very well…exactly.
September 29, 2008 at 9:10 am
Nobody talks about the fight with MIR .. was that a fluke?
September 29, 2008 at 9:23 am
Doesn't Randy have more experience than Brock?
I'm with you whodini…I think Randy is going to be very good at exposing Lesnar's flaws.
September 29, 2008 at 9:26 am
people dont really talk about the mir fight because mir is a completely different fighter. randy doesnt have the subs that mir has. randy doesnt have the kicks that mir has. mir doesnt have the wrestling or boxing that randy has. randy's finished like 1 fight with a submission. while submissions is practically all mir is good at. i dont think the mir fight can really be judged either seeing as lesnar dominated him and then a questionalbe restart by the ref and then a quick sub. who knows if it was a fluke or not.
September 29, 2008 at 9:34 am
i agree with dane to a point, randy is alot better fighter than mir but styles make fights and his skill set is similair to brocks.i could see brock beating some top guys well still losing to lower level guys with the right skills.mir is not even a top 10 fighter but beat him in 90 seconds if you want to look at it that way.randy the better fighter will have a tough time with brock, i am not saying he is going to lose but i would give brock the advantage in this fight.
September 29, 2008 at 10:33 am
Roy, thats pretty much what I tried to say. I couldn't agree more.
September 29, 2008 at 11:32 am
mir has the advantage that most heavyweights aren't that well versed on the ground. i can't wait for his fight with nogiera. i hope its a ground war.
i think randy is going to look to control the fight, get brock to the ground on his back where he isn't comfortable, and then pound away.
September 30, 2008 at 12:41 am
HMM Brock not comfortable on his back…okay he was only a national champion wrestler and has over 20 years experience in various postions, example from his back. I dont think Randy can contain the much stronger and faster overall lesnar especially mount him and keep him there for long…come on lesnar is 280 and moves like a damn 140lbs man while Randy is 225 and even with all that experience exposing flaws or whatever he is still 45 and facing a much more stronger and overall better wrestler and faster one that he is…Randy can not get into situations where strength or speed is involved..he somehow has to neutralize the bigger lesnar and just try and duke it out or Sub him…that is the only way Randy will win this fight…but Lesnar has the advantage by far and i am sorry but if you have someone with the overall skills and abilities of Lesnar with 20 years plus of national championship wrestling he will be anyone 8 out of 10 times..its just the law of mathamatics and gravity if you understand that.
September 30, 2008 at 12:58 am
Doesn't Randy's 20+ years of national championship wrestling count for anything? The man almost went to the Olympics for chrissakes!
And NO wrestler likes to be on their back.
September 30, 2008 at 2:05 am
Randy was NEVER a National Champion…only runner ups sorry man but do some research before you start writing BS…Randy was a state Champ in HIGH SCHOOL and he didnt wrestle at HWGHT, he was 190lbs. Lesanr was a National Champion in DIV 1 College as a HWGHT 2000 undefeated in HS 46-0 and had 2 State championships in HS, compiled a 106-5 record in College, Randed the #1 HWGHT in the Nation in 99 and 2000, Randy was chosen as an alternate on the US team and Lesnar turned down the olympics to make millions with the WWE sorry gold medal or make multi millions…Duh wrestler dont like to be on there backs therefore i dont think Randy can get him there or keep him there for long as that is what he is very good at staying off his back. I am sorry but i give the 20 plus years of HWGHT wrestling experience to Brock over Randy's 190lb, no Championships experience in wrestling…all around MMA..for sure its Randy but overall ability and skill i have to give it to Brock.
September 30, 2008 at 4:02 am
Maybe you should as well:
Couture graduated from Lynnwood High School in Lynnwood, Washington where he won a State Championship during his senior year. Couture served in the U.S. Army from 1982–1988. Upon discharge, he was a three-time Olympic team alternate (1988, 1992 and 1996); a semifinalist at the 2000 Olympic Trials; a three-time National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division-I All-American and a two-time NCAA Division-I runner-up at Oklahoma State University. In 1992 he was the Division-1 runner up at 190 pounds coming in second after Mark Kerr.
HE WAS STILL AN ALL-AMERICAN COLLEGIATE WRESTLER. THE MAN ALMOST WENT TO THE OLYMPICS, NOT ONCE BUT 3 TIMES. THAT IS AS GOOD, IF NOT BETTER, THAN AN NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP.
September 30, 2008 at 4:42 am
DUDE as i stated Earlier wrestling at 190 is very different than wrestling and the caliber of a wrestler it takes to be a dominant HWGHT as Lesnar was not to mention again..team USA offered Lesnar a TEAM SPOT in the Olympics..not an atlernate which is like saying i am good but only good enough to back you up. Lesnar said no to make Millions in the WWE…as stated earlier Gold medal oppurtunity or Multi Millions…you choose. From a former HS Champ take it like a man when i say there is a much different styl much different caliber of wrestlers at HWHGT and it takes a very very skilled, athletic and conditioned wrestler to dominate at HWGHT as the skills you rely on are much different that at any level although the base is still the same the technique involved is far vast than other divisions. I am very aware of Randy's past my friend but that was in the 1980's when he wrestled at top level 190lbs…the competion and skills involved in wrestling at top level have changed quite a bit since 1980 its been over almost 30 years since Randy wrestled at that level and Lesnar has been wrestling since he was 10…so he has 21 years of dominant wrestling experience so i am very well educated in the wrestling area as i am a former runner up state champ for Div 1 CA in 99 and multiple CIF champ at 152lbs..i know train MMA mainly wrestling and BJJ for fun and excercise i do not fight. So i do know a thing or to about wrestling and the background and whats involved to be a great HWGHT wrestler and i am sorry but Lesnars overall abilities and skills made him the most dominate HWGHT in College and to say your are ranked the #1 HWGHT in DIV 1 wrestling is frankly far better than saying i was a alternate for team USA in the olympics…as anyone can be an alternate but few can be called the #1 wrestler in their weight class in the whole damn United states. So to sum it up go back online and search for something else so i can prove your wrong again.
September 30, 2008 at 5:30 am
Dude? Take it like a man? You do realize I'm a chick, right?
Still, you didn't prove anything wrong.
Regardless of what Randy wrestled in HS/College, he's been fighting at HW in the UFC and been doing just fine.
People don't just "get offered" a shot at the olympics. Many athletes offered to train him for the olympics (meaning the trials), but he didn't get an automatic shot. I'd like to see your source on that. And he also considered going to play in the NFL, but VM offered him more money. (and personally, I would've taken the gold medal opportunity).
I'm not arguing the differences between weight classes. But wrestling didn't change much in the 10 years between when the two were in college. He was in the ARMY until 88. And in college after that – where do you get "over almost 30 years"? He's college/olympic career ended in like 96 – not that long ago.
Who was asking for your credentials?
And if you know so much, you'd know that MMA isn't all wrestling, just like it's not all BJJ or MT or striking. It's a combo.
Anyone can be an alternate? Are you kidding me? I GUARANTEE any alternate would probably destroy you on a wrestling mat.
September 30, 2008 at 6:03 am
Chick, Man whatever you are..Randy is not a true HWHGT and he not fought a true HWGHT meaning somone who is bout 265…280 fight time of pure muscle, strenght, speed and very powerful and extremely talented in wrestling the base of all fighting styles….the beginning of time. Okay he wasnt offered a SPOT on the team per say..he was offered to train for spot onTEAM USA….you win on that won my verbage was wrong. But he opted to make millions instead. I get almost 30 years from 1982 when he wrestled in HS to know….i understand he ended his wrestling career in96 but Lesnar ended his in 2000, but continued to train and my point being you cant teach an old dog new tricks…so if Randy learned wrestling back in 82 and lesnar learned it in early 90's and became a national standout at HWGHT in both HS and college and i am sorry but i can tell you this there are not to many people on any US Olympic Team that can say they were Ranked the #1 wrestler in their wieght class in the whole US, so there is a great respect that goes along with that…as equal if not greater than saying i was an alternate to team USA. Thats my opinion coming from a wrestling background and FYI Kurt Angle an Olympic Champion in 96 wrestled Brock Lesnar in an unofficial wrestling match not WWE crap real wrestling… and rumore are that Lesnar Beat Angle by a point. angle was a true HWGHT in College and olympics where Randy is not even close to that caliber. I am done with this as the bottom line is when it comes to wrestling Lesnar has the superb upper hand by far….Randy has the edge in experience but overall skills and abilities i have to go with Lesnar…he just is too much of an overall threat to Randy where Randy is a threat but not nearly as threatning to Lesnar..Lesnar has him beat in strenght, speed,power, wrestling, etc.. except Subs that is it. it should be a great match i hope.
September 30, 2008 at 6:33 am
tim theres a couple things i think you may be wrong about, i am not 100% sure of either 1. brock got cut by the vikings he did not make the team 2. i heard the story of the match between brock and angle and everytime i heard about it angle won 3. i don't know why anyone would pass on the olympics for the wwe when you can make money by getting a medal(through endorsements) and the wwe would have been there when he got back i am not saying that its not true i just don't understand that.
ps matt lindland is the best wrestler to come into mma(silver medal olympics)
September 30, 2008 at 7:32 am
So what that he's not a true heavyweight? Fighters change weight classes ALL the time. Should they not be allowed to then?
Randy never fought a true HW? What was Tim Sylvia?
Your mistake wasn't verbage. Coutre actually MADE the Olympics as an alternate. He wasn't just offered training. Big difference. Like roy said, he could've made millions on the endorsements, and even gone into the WWE after the olympics. You think Michael Phelps is hurting for money right now?
"That level" of wrestling, as you put it, wasn't over when he was in HS. He was at an even higher level in 1988 when he went to college. And even after college he also continued to train. You are REALLY reaching on the big time difference. Yeah, Randy learned wrestling in 1982 and hasn't stopped.
As far as your NCAA Champion/Olympic wrestlers:
Ben Askren – 2nd in 04 and 05, 1st in 06 and 07 at 174
Daniel Cormier – 2nd in 01 at HW
Andy Hrovat – also placed 4 times in 4 years at MW
Steve Mocco – won in 05 at 285 – without losing a match.
So maybe YOU should do some research so I can prove you wrong? Obviously there are olympic athletes that CAN say that they were ranked the #1 wrestler in their weight class in the whole US. Olympians don't deserve your respect? They beat the best in the WORLD. Collegiate athletes only beat the best in the NCAA. What if the greatest wrestler never goes to college?
Regarding Lesnar/Angle – I heard the same as Roy, but couldn't find the article where I read it.
Lesnar has his size. But the bigger they are the harder they fall (and speed…I don't think so!)
By Far i agree with you on Lindlend…
1-brock made the team and got cut for not showing up to practice due to injuries sustained during a motorcycle accident. 2-I have heard both but chose to put the version in favor of Lesnar..who knows but from what we know both are very accomplished wrestlers so to lose to either wouldnt be a shame. 3-Lesnar was at a road block either he could..coach, train for the olympics or make immediate millions in the WWE…he chose the money.. i heard he was training for the olympics when VM called him and offered him a developmental deal and keep in mind he was very young at only 20 something but less that 25 at that time and had many options but chose to make money…hell i would that is just me though. Not to mention getting a multi milllion endorsement from the olympics from wrestling has never been done…so there isnt much money to be made. There just isnt that draw factor like swimming, etc…in olympic wrestling.
Seriously though we are starting to get way off subject…wrestling is a big part of MMA but its not all MMA..Lesnar is still young and learning but has extreme potential. Both him and Randy while i believe Lesnar is the overall better wrestler they both are well accomplished in that area. This fight should be a good one…
hey i heard that someone possed as Lorenzo of the UFC and called the Couture Gym and told Kim Couture that Lesnar injured himself in training and the fight is off….they actually believed it until they called Dana and he confirmed that was all BS…and Brock is healthy and fine. I cant wait.
September 30, 2008 at 7:55 am
First off i never said Olypians dont have my respect i merly stated an opinion that being Ranked #1 twice in the NAtion at HWGHT means alot, and to me alot more than saying i was a stupid alternate…RANDY NEVER WRESTLED AT ANY OLYMPICS he was just a bystander waiting for a chance to wrestle So he never was a olympian and is no Kurt Angle, Dan Gable, etc.. Since you are a women i understand you are uneducated in the wrestling and phyisical areas…wrestling has a base and the technique and skills and moves have adapted over the years and all i am saying is Randy is 45 lesnar is 31..big age gap and an even bigger gap in wieght and wrestling competion at their very different wrestling divisions..A true HWGHT is not a dumb ass like Tim Sylvia who is overwight and out of shape and not very good fighter….sorry my friend but your wrong there…a True HWGHT is someone like Brock Lesnar…someone has the strength, the power, the speed, the skills and the mindset..meaning someone who is 265lbs..the wieght limit to fight at HWGHT….hence the word True HWGHT..Lesnar is the biggest overall HWGHT to come into MMA with the overall abilities he has. Look another exampl Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez and altough these guys are big…they do not nearly look as big compared to Lesnar…nor to they have the accomplished background. The bigger they are the harder they fall….okay true if your boxing…but MMA that is not true at all….but you have a good point on that. What makes you think that Randy being 45 is capable of containing Lesnar Physicall and mentally when he overmatched Randy's strenghts in every are but Subs and experience…the law of gravity prevails…the smaller they are the further you can throw them, the weaker they are the easier it is to crush them, etc… Olympians earn all my respect i was stating a point that being ranked number1 in the NAtion deserves respect as well. Yes lesnar is Faster than Randy when it comes to wrestling…it took him 2 seconds from drop to takedown in both the Mir and Herring fights…not to mention how can you stop a 280lbs man who runs the 40 in like 4.5 seconds from taking you and dropping your flat on your ass…the fact is you wont…lesnar will take Randy down at will and Randy will expend alot more energy in trying to maneuver and take him down. Lesnar was the most conditioned wrestler in his wieight class and known for this nation wide. Lesnar has made alot of money…more than any MMAfighte will ever see…his net worth as stated by Forbes magazine is an estimated 34Million..but you wouldnt know it as Lesnar is not a materialistic guy..he owns 30 acres of land in Minnesota and his wife Sable is worth more than him. As lesnar stated he isnt fighting for the money he doesnt need it he is fighting to challenge himself and show the world what he can do. Win lose he has earned my respect for simply being the only natural pure athlete at his size to come in and start off in the UFC and literally dominate top level talent..sure he has alot to learn. Long story short as i stated earlier they are both well accomplished wrestlers but Lesnar i beliee has the upper hand and will win this fight.
September 30, 2008 at 8:15 am
No you didn't, but you implied that NCAA champs deserve it more.
An alternate is nothing to sneeze at! Randy still MADE THE TEAM. THAT is a big deal!
Don't start with the sexist BS – that makes your argument THAT MUCH WEAKER. You gonna try to tell me that women that the female wrestlers know less than you because they're chicks?
No one is arguing the validity of the sport!
Yes, there is a big age difference, but it's not like Randy stopped training! 45 doesn't mean he stops learning!
You sound an awful lot like a Brock commercial…A true HW this, a true HW that….rriiiigghhhtt….
Tim Sylvia naturally walks around under 265. So by your standards, he's a true HW.
In MMA that's not true? Did you see Sylvia fall with Randy? Looked pretty hard to me.
I would ABSOLUTELY give Randy the mental game. Hands down. Physically, yes, Lesnar will prove tough for Randy. No one denied that. But DO NOT count Randy out. Randy has fought bigger men, have you ever seen anyone really "throw" him? And I wouldn't call him weak either.
I didn't deny that NCAA champs deserve respect, but the fact that Randy was an olympic alternate deserves it too.
An NFL running back averages the 40 in 4.22….I really don't see Lesnar doing that.
What does this have to do with money? He still needs to prove himself in the UFC to me. He should've earned it just like everyone else.
My point, bottom line, is that no one should be counting Randy out. They did against Sylvia, and he proved a lot of people wrong.
September 30, 2008 at 8:33 am
First off NFL running backs are not 290lbs when lesnar was with the Vikings he ran the 40 in 4.5 the fastest for his wieght and Defensive End position. Not to mention having no such football background except for HS is pretty damn good to make the team,That is a big deal. Yes both deserve respect by the way… no i am not saying female wrestlers are not intelligente but until they have the accomplishments that i and many others have obtained i dont really care what they have to say..thats simply my opinion as there are some female wrestlers i grew up with that i admire and have proved intellifence in this sport. Your still not getting it a True HWGHT isnt 265 lbs and looks like shit fell out of a can, has no quickness or real strenght or the overall abilites that a HWGHT should have…Tim Sylvia is piece of shit at 265 and he looks like it…True HWGHT someone of pure Muscle, strenght, power, speed and overall athletic ability…lesnar commercial or not that is a fact Lesnar is the only TRue HWGHT and Randy has never ever faced the likes of Lesnar before, nor has Lesanr which does make this fight interesting as its the Legend versus the rookie and future legend but overall Lesnar is just too big and has to many skills that Randy can not match..Mentally i think your wrong…Wrestlers are the best when it comes to the mental game…Randy is matched up very well there as well…Overall MMA experience yes but experience will not override brute strenght and skill of lesnar..He earned my respect for fighting top level fighters so early on…does he deserve a title shot NO….but he is due respect…and will shoe it come NOv 15th…i think your going to be very shocked to see Randy get dominated…just wait…..i dont see Randy being able to control the much bigger lesnar…
September 30, 2008 at 8:40 am
Point Taken…but i never counted Randy out i merlly said he had little chance in beating Lesnar…i never count anyone out…never no matter how little of a chance i give them. hell i was rooting for Randy to beat the crap out of Sylvia…i like the guy i just dont think he has the overall ability to beat a man like lesnar.
September 30, 2008 at 8:54 am
Literally dominate top level talent? Ok Tim, now I see how valid you are. Lesnar is a true heavyweight, a true heavyweight that went for the money and not the sport…he has the heart of a true heavyweight doesn't he? I didn't do any research because, I just don't care enough. From what I just read though, Randy was invited to be an alternate, meaning they liked his skill level and wanted him to be a backup, but Lesnar was invited to just train with them? Was it even for sure that he was going to compete? Could that be why he turned it down? Hell, I was invited by the Muay Thai instructor at Xtreme Couture to train with them. I don't even fight, I just like to train. I don't know. Tim, you have said repeatedly that you met Lesnar once at some gym at some place. Are you one of those people that goes all crazy after meeting a celebrity and thinks they are friends with you? Because if that's the case, me and Matt Hughes are BEST friends. Chill Tim, no one is saying Lesnar sucks, no one is even saying Lesnar is not good. He is good. His stregth and wrestling makes him really good. And I agree, he will be unstoppable given some time. But Randy is probably going to give him a hard time, though not as hard of a time as he will give Randy. And seriously, just because you can hit hard, DOESN'T MAKE YOU A BETTER STRIKER, it takes more than that. Do you work on any standup when you train? If you did, you should know that Lesnar isn't the better striker.
September 30, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Brock won his last fight with power and his weight. He lacks the MMA experience because he relies too much on his weight and strength. However if he trains more on MMA Muay Thai and Boxing, he will be a force to be reconed with. But how well can he take a strike from someone like…Randy Couture. He's wrestling conditioned, not MMA conditioned.I think Randy will bring him down.
October 1, 2008 at 12:45 am
All good points but your overlooking the factor of Randy can not match strength or Power and will therefore use more energy in trying to control lesnar and bring him down where Lesnar will manhandle him and take him down like he did so easily with MIR and Herring, even if those guys had no wrestling experience it doesnt matter when your 280 and that fast a 2 second drop to takedown…no one is going to sprawl and be able to stop it there just to much force coming forward at you. Regarding Alternate…anyone can try out as an Alternate there is no rules about that…making it as an alternate well yes you must of showed something…theres is no doubt about that. But saying Randy was an Olypian when he never fucking wrestling a damn olympic match is pure Bull Shit…he isnt an Olympic Athlete…as they all competed in the olympics to earn tha title…thats all i am saying being an Alternate doesnt make you an Olympic Athlete unless you competed in the Olympics. Being Ranked #1 HWGHT in the US should earn some sort of respect…besides this crap Anyone would not pass up the oppurtunity to make mad cash at such a young age early 20's…so you cant say Lesnar has no heart at all because he doesnt need this money in MMA he is set for life…he is fighting for himself and to show the world he can do MMA…now if you think lesnar is only using his wrestling and strength and power then your partially wrong cause isnt MMA about using your strenghths and carrying out a game plan according to them???? not to mention lesnar has been working far more than just what he is good at…he threw some leg kicks in the Herring fight and some nasty knees…no shit the man has stuff to work on he is only 3 years into this MMA sport…shit give hte man his dues and respect for being a rookie and he is taking on top level talent in HWGHT Div no matter how weak it is its still the top…both Herring and MIR are Top level talent not top 5 but there up there…yes i have met lesnar and no i dont get all crazy an shit casue i met lesnar back in 99 when he was a no body just a college wrestling athlete….so seriously dont make comments until you know the facts my friend….the reason why i admire lesnar is we both come from a wrestling background and he is so talented and has the abilities to become a legend in this sport and the MMA world has never seen the likes of him before either…hell Chuck Liddel, Forrest Griffin, Frank Mir, NOG…GSP…MAtt Hughes etc…they have all said in interviews that they are heavily impressed with Lesnar. Good for you that your good friend with Mr. Hughes..LOL that is awesome. Dude seriously dont make this personal i am merly stating facts and opinions and wether you choose to agree or not that is fine…i understand that no one is saying lesnar isnt good etc…i not argueing that i am arguining that you all think Randy is going to come in and work lesnar like he is a baby and win…..use his game plan his master game plans witch are simply the clinch game….news flash i dont think Randy will be able to control the 280lbs muscle freak…he is way to explosive and strong and powerful for him…not to mention he cant take a punch from lesnar and still be standing….like all the others if lesnar gets a good shot to the face randy is going down…not out maybe but down..the only way Randy can win and he very well could is by Sub or Decision…Rnady has my respect but i think he is overmatched too much in this fight to control his opponent.
October 1, 2008 at 7:11 am
Is it not like apples and oranges comparing their wrestling since they competed at different styles. I know Randy wrestled in college but his Olympic back round is in Greco-Roman. Has Brock ever competed in Greco? I know he is the more physical of the two but since Randy has competed at the top level in two different variations of the sport shouldn't that help him a bit more.
October 1, 2008 at 7:55 am
No the base of wrestling is the same where Greco is all about slams…the physical dominacne of lesnar in his College days and his pure athletic ability and overall strenght and power and speed overmatch Randy's wrestling any day of the week..a 280lb man again a 225lb old man its doesnt work that way and i dont see Randy picking up the 280lb lesnar and slamming him i see the other way around..Randy has to expend more energy just to work at any level with lesnar simply because of the 50 plus pound weight advantage and overall ability of strength and speed lesnar holds. Randy may know where Lesnar is coming from but the problem is Randy can not match the overal abilities lesnar has as he not nearly as quick as in reflexes or wrestling, not nearly as strong, powerful…Randy is purely overmatched except for Experience and Subs…Randy is a legend and i am sure he will be ready but i dont hink he can stop lesnar.
October 1, 2008 at 10:35 am
Never made a statement, I asked a question. Fuck it. I'm done. Good luck to both of them. I'm sure it's going to be entertaining either way. This is one of the most repetative arguments I have ever been a part of.
October 1, 2008 at 10:40 am
FYI – I NEVER called Randy an Olympian.
October 1, 2008 at 11:38 am
Agreed Ryan and Nichole it sure sounds like you called him an olympian right from your direct statement "He’s college/"olympic career" ended in like 96 – not that long ago." You may have not said the work olmpian but it sure makes it seem that way from that statement….I am done this is stupidiest argurment…we are going to have to wait and see both fighter have pros and cons…
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